Episode 71 - Inside the Oman House: Hauntings, Hollywood & Hellish Encounters with David Oman

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sa. [00:00:31] Speaker B: If you dig the twisted, admire the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree, join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Warning. [00:00:57] Speaker B: Some listeners may find the following content disturbing. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Listener discretion is advised. [00:01:08] Speaker C: Hey, Conundrum crew, we have a special treat for you today. We have a special guest. David Omen, owner of the Omen house in California, built right next door to where the Manson family had murdered Sharon Tate and the others. And David, how are you? [00:01:29] Speaker A: I'm very good. How are you two doing? [00:01:31] Speaker B: We're good. [00:01:31] Speaker C: Great. We're very excited to have you and me on. [00:01:36] Speaker A: Thank you know, more importantly. [00:01:37] Speaker C: Oh, of course. We're very excited. Can you let our listeners know, for anybody that might not be very familiar with your story, how did you end up living just feet away from one of the most infamous crime scenes in Hollywood history? [00:01:55] Speaker A: Well, about 26 years ago in 19. Well, 26, 27 years ago in late 1998, my dad reached out to me on a Sunday morning at about 8:00 clock and said, David, I found something in the paper. And I'm like, dad, it's. It's Sunday morning at 8 o'. Clock. He goes, I found a listing for a piece of real estate in Beverly hills, and it's $40,000. And these are the days before the Internet. So, I mean, the Internet might have existed, but, you know, there was still the. It hadn't been proliferated like it isn't today. So there wasn't Google. So he was looking through the Los Angeles Times calendar site, I mean, those classified section. So he found the listing. I said, dad, does it read 4 0K? And he goes, yes. I said, dad, it's a misprint. It's probably 4,00, K. And they misprint a zero. And he goes, it's a foreclosure. And I said, okay, fine, I'm up. Let's just. All right, fine. I'm not going to get him off the phone. I might as well humor him. I get out my Thomas Guide, because again, this is before Google Maps. We had a little map guide book. And I look it up and I'm like, okay, it's just about a mile south of where my godfather lived, up the street off of Benads Canyon. So I drive up here and I brought my two dogs and, and I get out of the car. And I start looking around, and all of a sudden I look down the street and I realize that's where the Sharon Tate murders have taken place. And I'm like going, oh, my God. But I said, it's under construction. Because you can see there's a chain link fence, and there's just, you know, the street pavement goes. And it stops and it's all broken up. And then you can see there's all this construction work going on. I'm going, oh, my God. I haven't been here in like, 10, let me see, 98. In about 20 years. Less than 20 years. Like 16 years. And I'm like, I don't believe this. This is unreal. And my dad drives up. My dad is 82 years old at the time, driving his 1998 Firebird Trans Am. My dad was like, you know, 82 is like, yeah, my dad was. Looked like he was like 60 and he was pissing vinegar. He was in the corner. What's going on? I said, well, Dad, I said, that's where the Sharon Tate murders took place down the street. And he goes, I don't care about that. We're here to look at the sticking lot. Goes, focus, focus. This is what you're here to do. This is what's wrong with you. You can't pay attention. And I'm like, okay, Pop. So I'm looking down there. I'm like, oh, my God. He goes, it's a. It's. It's. It's an empty. It's all just a hillside. I said, but I said, do I see things sticking out of the ground like. Like rebar? And he goes, because that looks like rebar. He goes, yeah, it looks like somebody's giant building here. And they got stopped. And for whatever reason, this is now a foreclosure. So I'm like, wow, that's crazy. Goes. And if that rebar is there, that means that there are caissons, which are 30, which are basically holes in the ground that go drill holes that go in about 30ft that are then reinforced with rebar, which, again, is steel. Like, basically steel. Thick wiring that is put down there that is then connected and it's made, reinforced what they pour as concrete in there. So it reinforces this. This thing called a caisson. And he goes, those caissons are good. That's like another hundred thousand dollars that you get as far as the value of the property, the improvements. I'm going, what do you mean? Goes? He goes, if there's caissons and there's rebar. You don't have to get a drill rig. You don't have to get the soil engineer and do all this extra stuff. It's already done to you. That saves you $100,000 on the. On building. It's like. So apparently some 20 years earlier, some 20, like 15 years earlier, somebody was building on the property and they got stopped by the city and the city stopped them and halted them. And he looked it up in the. What is it? The CCRS at the Building and Safety Commission or department in the bed that somewhere between 1970 and 1978 that they changed the designation of the street from private street from private drive to private street. And he says, I can't see where in the lines, the legal lines where this was done. An application was made to change the street designation. It looks like it was a clerical error. [00:06:16] Speaker C: Wow. [00:06:17] Speaker A: And the guy was halted. I said, what the hell is the difference between private street and private drive? What's. He goes, private drive. The private street, the city has certain specifications. Like it has to be 20ft wide, which is wide enough for two cars to pass with a parked car on one side of the street. Plus it has to have a 38 foot turnaround spot for emergency vehicles such as fire trucks. Okay? And the city brings up the utilities, the electricity, the sewer lines and all up to the street. The street then has a paved surface which is maintained by the city and it has a legal speed limit. I said, okay. He goes, a private drive, which is what this was and was originally, means it can be as narrow or as wide as it can as you want, okay? You have to bring up the utilities, the sewer lines and all the other stuff to. From the main street up to. To the property have no speed limit because it's private, just like a motor speedway. And you have to maintain the street surfaces yourself. The city is not responsible for the improvements of the streets, okay? And it doesn't have to be have a 38 foot wide turnaround. And he says it's what this was originally to be. So I went in my petition, I bought the property under the designation that we could have the city petition for it to be returned back to the designation of private drive, which means you could build on it. So it turns out they petitioned. He found out he had. We bought the lot for 40,000. We petitioned, we got the city to overturn it. We could then build on the property. The caissons were good. We had them tested. They, you know, had one tested. It was fine. The concrete was still good. And we spent the next three and a half, four years building the house here. 99 to 2 to today, 2002. I moved in on August. [00:08:15] Speaker C: Wow. [00:08:16] Speaker A: It's been 23 years ago. Today's the anniversary. I totally, totally forgot that. I'm sorry. Spirits. Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary experience. It's been wonderful. [00:08:29] Speaker C: How do you describe the energy of the Omen house to someone who's never set foot inside? [00:08:36] Speaker A: That would. I'm stuttering and thinking about it because that would depend upon when you're visiting, meaning depending upon who comes in. Not the time of the year, not the time of the night, but who all is coming in the house. Because as I'd noticed, me, myself and I, by the three of us alone here, there's not a lot of unpredictability. Stuff happens, but it's very, very sporadic when you. I consider it like a chemistry set. When different people come in the house, you're bringing in different energies that are around each and every person. So the dynamic is always changing. And sometimes somebody comes in and their guardian angel or their spirit around them is really active and they cross the threshold and they realize they go through what I call the reptile effect, which is reptiles are cold blooded when they're cold in a cold environment, they're sluggish. When you put them in a warm environment, they become active because the warmth of the room or the heat of the air basically warms them up and gets their blood flowing. Same thing can be said for the house here. When people come in the house, everybody's like, oh, it's Sharon Tate. I want to see Sharon Tate. And I said, what's in it for them? Nobody. And everybody's in the ego. Me, me, me, me, me. I want, I want, I want. And the spirits get not a moment of second thought and I go, what's in it for them? And I've only seen a few occasions where Sharon's spirits or one of the spirits from the victims has manifested here at the house. Most of the time it's somebody connected directly to the person that is there interacting with the spirit that is connected to them, them personally. Because as I like to say, the shortest distance between a human and a spirit is the connection that they had when they were both, when both of them were alive. Okay, if you don't know Sharon, what's her motivation or desire drive to say, hi, I'm here. See, you're my greatest fan. So what's it like to be my biggest fan? It just doesn't work like that. [00:10:45] Speaker C: Right? [00:10:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:47] Speaker A: And yet what we've had here is, is we've recorded a spirit once during a seance where this. Where we heard a man's voice say, let it go, mija. Wispy voice on all three digital recorders and on the video recorder that was shooting the video of the seance. And I was like, oh, my God. I said, I heard that. And so we stopped the seance and we played the one recorder, and you heard it the second, the third. And then I said to the videographer, said, what do you have? Rack it back up. I said, what do you catch? He goes, I hear the same freaking whispery voice of a man going, saying, let it go, mija. And then a girl at the end of the table next to one of the psychics afterwards said, that was my dad. He died four years ago of cancer. [00:11:31] Speaker C: Wow. [00:11:32] Speaker A: I've not been able to go on with my life since he died. [00:11:34] Speaker B: Wow. [00:11:35] Speaker A: And I'm like, holy crap. [00:11:39] Speaker C: So would you say that you think there's like an open portal? What was that? [00:11:50] Speaker A: The dead. That's the dead bell that just went off the first time it's gone off today. Yeah. [00:11:59] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:12:00] Speaker A: That's great. Thanks, spirits. I've got the dead bill on. I got the REM pod on. I've got the cat toy and the other cat toy. [00:12:06] Speaker C: Thank you, spirits. [00:12:07] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks, guys. I hate to cut you out of the frame, but I'm not going to be able to keep you in frame thing. Sorry, I can't help it. Fine, fine, fine, fine. I heard you. Itchy. [00:12:19] Speaker C: There you go. [00:12:21] Speaker A: Please. But I was gonna say. This is funny. So you were saying then about the house. [00:12:26] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Would you say that you. That it's kind of like a portal, that spirits can come and go from there, or is there specific. Specific spirits that are there all the time? [00:12:37] Speaker A: Well, I'll defer. I'll defer to the overall and then I'll defer to the specifics. The first person I'll defer to on this, on the overall would be Marianne Winkowski, the real life ghost whisperer. I met her a number of years ago. It's got to be over 10 plus years ago when she was working on Ghosted Whisperer over, and she was at Universal, the Universal Hotel. She and I had spoken several times. I went to meet her because she couldn't take off to come from the. From the hotel to come to the house. There wasn't enough time. So we met and we talked, and she goes, oh, sweetheart goes, your house is a portal. She goes, you have a revolving door at the front of the house. She goes, I can clear. I say, but can you. Could you clear it? She goes, oh, I could clear it, but in 10 minutes the whole place will be loaded with another spirits, new spirits. And I'm like going. She goes, yeah, unless you're bothered by it. It's like, no. She goes, otherwise, it's all good. I said, yeah, I've never had a problem here at all. It's not harmful or bothersome. She goes, well, that's fine, honey. She goes, they're not there to bother you. The second person I'll defer to, and I'm going to have to go over to read from the article from 20 years ago from the Daily Express. Maybe it's 50. I'll. I'll specific give you the specifics on when that was written. 2009. So it's 16 years. All right, so 16 years ago, on the anniversary of the murders, there was an article in the Sunday Daily Express in the uk. Lisa Williams, the famous English psychic you guys have heard of, I'm sure came here after the airing of the show Ghost Hunters. She called me up or she emailed me and she says, I want to see your house. I'd love to check it out. I saw you in Ghost Hunters. And I'm like, who's? And then she. I said, who is this? And it's like, it's Lisa Williams. I said, oh, Coincidentally, she had been here a couple of months earlier with her camera crew because my neighbor, who's at the very bottom house, called me up afterwards. And she goes, oh, Lisa Williams, this English psychic, was down the street at the bottom of the driveway shooting some video there for her show. She said, because I went down and asked them what they were doing. And she introduced herself and I said, oh, okay. And I said, if you want to come to the house, this is not for the. The show. I said, that's a totally separate thing if you want to see it. She goes, no, I want to see it from my own personal curiosity. Right? So she was here in 2007. So what I want to read from you is this article. I mean, an excerpt from the article where she explains why it is she believes Sharon's spirits in the house. Because when it comes to me, the skeptics and the naysayers all crap all over me. So I hate to take any kind of responsibility for what's going on and explaining what I believe, because if I do so, then it's me, and it's either you're trying to push this agenda. You're holding Sharon against her. Her wishes. You should send her into the light. And it's like, guys, I am none of the above. I am not holding her against her wishes. And this pretty much explained it in a nice paragraph so that the audience could basically understand what. Why it is that a. If I wanted to, I couldn't. Because you cannot enslave a spirit. They're not enslaveable. I hate to say. It's not like I have the power. And that goes even further to say I don't believe anything that a human being can say, do, or think can contain a spirit, let alone salt circle and stuff. And saying, speaking in Latin and speaking in biblical terms, it's like, well, what if the spirit died before the Gastron Bible was written? What you're gonna do then? I mean, there's so many things that I just find so quintessentially absurd about the myths of the paranormal. Because it's like, you believe in demons, but you don't believe in ghosts. It's like, I hear people say this stuff and it's like, no, they're lying to you. And it's like, no, you don't get it. When you die, you leave everything behind, not just the money. You leave the ego behind. The essence of you will continue on. But ego is not part of the essence of you. That means that you can be an egocentric good person. You can also be an egocentric bad person. My point is that the essence that remains is the good of the bad, not the ego. So the idea that there's a motivation for a spirit to lie to you, I go, they have no skin in the game. They lost their bones and their gosh darn flesh rotted in the ground. Right. I just don't buy it. And I find that it's so disingenuous. God, talk about a scapegoat. Where are you going there, kid? Back to what I was saying. I want to read this because it's not me saying anything. It's somebody person who's a valued, respected, paranormal, psychic gifted person who doesn't have any credibility issues like the Warrens. They've never been. She's never been called out like Yuri Geller as being a fraud. And when you've got that going for you, I think that stands and holds much more credibility and water than having a bunch of series of motion pictures and franchises born out of your stupid gosh darn pedantic books that you wrote. Then you were proven to be a fraud some 40 years ago plus and some schmuck. And gosh, John, Warner Brothers picked up a book of yours and said, hey, this piece of crap's not bad. We could make this into a movie. You have the Amity of Lahore, which indirectly is part of them because they latched onto that when they saw there was money there. And then you have the nun, and then you have the conjuring house. Then you have Annabelle. Then you have conjuring house. Last rites. I keep on seeing the trailers to that and I keep on laughing my ass off. Some people believe that stuff's actually legitimately true. Incredible. [00:18:33] Speaker C: Well, Annabelle is sure causing quite the ruckus right now because somebody died. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Oh, my God, he died. He has everybody has got a number tattooed on their ass. It's the expiration date that you're going to be departing the freaking Earth Balance Place. You are occupying. The fact that he did it when he was on tour with the thing is like, let's let me turn my head around like Linda Blair a few times. It happens. Let me tell you, people die all the time. He died when he was on tour. The freaking doll. The idea that you could continue to believe that this, this wooden box with glass contains a spirit and the spirit can't go through. My God. If a spirit can do anything, it can go anywhere and through anything. And a spirit, unlike what we believe about Superman, he's got kryptonite, is his weakness. Spirit have a weakness. They're not afraid of the salt barrier. They're not afraid of you speaking in Latin and speaking. I'm speaking from the New Testament to the Old Testament. They don't give a shit. They're deaf. They don't care. This idea, like, you know, spirit's going to listen to this. What if it's a Native American spirit? Oh, well, then now you're going to have to deal with that old problem because it's in the. He's in the ground because you guys are trying to proselytize him. And you didn't want to become converted to be Christian when he was a Native American worshiper, but you guys put him to death for it. What are you going to do about that? I mean, the idea that these people actually think that this is like absolutism is what the spirit just said. There's this idea that you absolutely positive. And I go on, if there's anything certain about spirits, absolutely, positively, they don't give a flying fuck what we think. They go through walls, they penetrate glass. They're not worried that you've got a barrier and you believe you're protected. They look at us and they laugh. They find and they go, are these people for real? They're going to find out when they turn onto the other side and go, I call these things demons. And they're all just people like I was. And then they're going to realize the shockwave is you're a bunch of idiots thinking this and decrying them because your grandmother came to visit you and said, it's a demon impersonating your grandma. It's like, no, that was my grandma. I know the smell. I know my grandma. He's lying to you. No, that. That's my grandma. She's just saying hi. She's. She does it all the time. No, I'm telling you, as a WWE wrestler now I'm an exorcist. I'm telling you that it's demons worship. I'm going, no, that's grandma mean. This is the kind of stuff that you. That I listen to. And I go, oh, God, blas me. Send me the gosh down to heaven quick, because these people drive me insane. But like I said, let me just read to you what Lisa said, because this is fascinating. And there it is. That's. I can't take it off the wall. It's too big. But I'll read it, you know, turn the lights off and I'll read it to you. And he says. Sunday Daily Express printed Sunday, August 9, 2009. This is under the legacy of Manson's evil. Forty years ago today, the murders of actor Sharon Tate and offense by Charles Manson's family shocked the world. Now, on the site of the house where they were butchered, their spirits are said to linger. Jenny Pascal investigates. All right, so we go to this last paragraph. It says LA based psychic Lisa Williams, who regularly presents television shows on life beyond the grave as it is in the house and confirms Sharon Tate's presence. Is this. Can you guys hear me? [00:22:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:14] Speaker A: Quote, Sharon. Sharon was definitely there. She feels safe there. Unquote. She claims one. Here it is. Lisa also explained why she thinks the spirit, the actress's spirit in David Owens house is in David Oman's house and not in her own home, just up the street. A spirit will go where it's comfortable. If the house she was in has the wrong person in it, the spirit will pull away from that area. Will pull away from the area. She may have had a friend who lived on the property where David's house now stands. Lisa believes there is a strange relationship between the homeowner and his guest. She asks the spirit why she stays in the house and refuses to cross over. Quote, she kept saying she liked this house. She liked being around David. Sean was very angry, and she wanted a story told unto, unquote. So that gives you a little understanding as to why, you know, she visits here so often or visits and hangs out and, you know. But that's. Again, that's not something I'm coming up with. That's somebody that was totally somebody I don't even know outside the fact that she came here, she saw the house, she came up with a ton of information about the house. And I'm just like, okay. I mean, she was the first person who did not, who basically said, there's a Native American interred on the side of the hill underneath the house that died many, like a couple hundred, 300 years ago when his horse and he fell down the slope of the hill and they were stopped by a tree. But by the time they. They were stopped by the tree, both the horse's neck and the rider's neck were both broken and they died. And through the years, the remains were left on the earth and interred in the earth. And I didn't. What was funny is that before Lisa came to the house, since I moved in in 2002, I had plenty of other people that were gifted, and all of them kept saying they feel Native and American energy in the area. I just feel it here on the. On this house and also where we used to go down the street when the property was still being under construction by Mr. Weintraub. And I'm like, you guys are nuts. And several years later, I found one of the Benedict Canyon Association's pamphlets. And I usually don't look at them, but I was. For some reason, I was drawn to look through it. And I came to a page, and it has this article about what? About a Native. The history of the area that a mile away from here, where. Where Chevy Chase Drive and Benedict Canyon Drive. Benedict Canyon? Yeah, Benedict Canyon Drive intersect, there's a boulder on the spot where the Beverly Hills First Woman's Club sits. And on this boulder is a placard in brass, and it says, In 1929, when Brown was first broken for the Beverly Hills First Woman's Club, the remains of three Native Americans were uncovered on that spot between the battle between the early Californians and the. And the Indians. [00:25:15] Speaker C: Okay, that's crazy. I just. And it's funny how that you bring that up. I just literally saw an episode on that Beverly Hills Woman's Club and how they discovered remains on the property right. [00:25:31] Speaker A: When they were digging it up in 1929. So I did a little digging of my own. It turns out it 87 years ago. 87 years earlier. And let me see again. 18. Yeah, 87 years ago in 1842. The Native Americans that were up in the canyons, the ton that that was what was left of the tribe that was forced up into the can, up the canyons into the hills was making which were making raiding parties on God was my book. I can give you her name if I can find that book. Town or dance. I forgot her name. She was. In a nutshell, she was the widow of the one of the generals who had owned, who was deeded 4,500 acres of land. And so her ranchero included all of Beverly Hills all the way down to Olympic Boulevard and La Cienega Boulevard all the way to into Westwood west la. And it was just this huge track because what they were doing was the Spaniards, which was then, now it was the Mexican government was basically giving the land grants to these generals as basically as a reward for doing a good job, but also to put down roots and to develop the land and to develop the agriculture from the land and the resources from the land. So the whole of Benedict Canyon apparently at the time was a walnut grove that they would harvest. And so the Native Americans that were driven up into the hills came down on raiding parties to go take goats and sheep and livestock as much as they could on her property, which was at Sunset and Alpine Drive. Now. So the raiding party got intersected by the ranchero ranch hands and there was a running gun battle which ended when they killed three of the Native Americans and left them on the spot for 87 years later. They would find them in 1929 when they uncovered the bodies. Wow. And that's a mile from here. So we know that the Native Americans, because the lands that were in the flat were the most valuable resource wise to the Mexicans that were developing the land. The hills were left vacant for the Native Americans and the wildlife like the hinterland, so to speak. [00:27:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, It's. There's a lot of history there, that's for sure. That's very cool. [00:27:55] Speaker A: Yeah. So on that LA Native Americans. What do you mean? It's like. Yeah, Native Americans. [00:28:02] Speaker B: Yeah. So on that Ghost Adventures episode that you're in, they were talking about geomagnetic energy surrounding. Is that just basically around the property itself or. Or is that the whole hills? [00:28:20] Speaker A: It's the whole hills apparently what Dr. T said and I speak to him regularly, he said that what he found was, is that the anomaly radiates from the, underneath the, in the, I guess in the earth in this. And it's just irradiating out. So the energy is not just this one little spot. It's, it's massive. He goes, it's in all directions. It's, it's, you know, basically 150, 200 yards all the way through this canyon and stuff. It's just emitting here was just. I've met people who live in the area that I've never met before and they start, we start talking, they say oh crap. We had stuff going on. It's like really goes oh yeah. We started remodeling the house and we had started having you know, doors and cabinets opening and closing in the middle of the night. And the, somebody was like marching up and down the hallway in like army boots. And we called up to find out that the homeowner had died in a hospice. Excuse me. And his kids had said yeah, that's our dad. He's upset that you're messing with his, his home which was his castle for like 40 years. Okay, wow. So it's, it's a con. It's also the fact that the way the house was designed with a 30 foot wide iron spiral staircase and the, I guess just the way the house is laid out in the design, it turns out that, oh that's right. There's two steel I beams supporting underneath the width of the house, supporting the second and third floor. And they're connected to three steel columns that are again embedded into the concrete gray beams that connect to the, the 1330 foot deep caissons that are embedded in the bedrock. So what Barry said is that since there's all this iron, it's basically causing a ferrous cage, basically an iron magnetized cage. Because there's no way in hell that a 30 foot wide iron staircase should be having that kind of magnification, amplification and magnetism to it. It's, it's unheard of. It's just crazy. [00:30:31] Speaker B: So is, is that considered dangerous levels? [00:30:33] Speaker A: Well, let's see. I've been here 23 years. Barry said to me 21 years ago that all of my, my pets were going to have problems with cancer and stuff. They're all going to die prematurely. One of my dogs was 100 pound ridgeback who lived to be 13. Another one was as 80 pound ridgeback who lived to be 17 or 16. [00:30:54] Speaker C: Wow. [00:30:55] Speaker A: My other dog was a 60 pound street mix and she lived to be 15 and a half. Most of my cats lived to be 17. Some of them had. One had a heart issue. It was a heart defect. One or two of them had cancer. But that was directly connected to the food. [00:31:11] Speaker B: Right? [00:31:12] Speaker A: That was. You know, again, that's why my dogs lives long, because I make homemade dog food. And that's why my cats live a lot longer now because they start buying them canned cat food and worrying about the quality. So I don't attribute the cancer that the cat's got to the house in any way, shape or form. [00:31:29] Speaker C: Right. [00:31:30] Speaker A: So, you know, and I'm still here. So. [00:31:34] Speaker B: They do say what the high. [00:31:38] Speaker C: Wake up. For our listeners. He just pretended to. To keel over. Do not do that. While we're recording. He's frozen again. [00:31:57] Speaker A: Ready? Seriously. That is how it happen. When you die. You. You die frozen in the position. You, you know, just go. That idea that you slump over. No, when you die, that's it. You die the way you are. You don't slump. I've seen you. I found my mom and she was dead 20 years ago. She was like frozen like this. [00:32:16] Speaker C: And wow. [00:32:18] Speaker B: Wow. [00:32:20] Speaker C: That's crazy. I haven't ever dealt with. [00:32:23] Speaker A: Ever seen a dead body. I know. Well, that's okay. [00:32:26] Speaker C: No, only one after the fact. [00:32:28] Speaker A: And it was. [00:32:29] Speaker C: He had died in the hospital. I have a random question for you. Is there a vent behind your venetian blinds or a vent by your venetian blinds behind you? [00:32:40] Speaker A: The vents there. The blinds are about. Got to be about 20ft behind. You guys messing up to the room. I can tell you there must be. Because it is looking like there's a little current there. Speaking. Hold on one second. I just want. Grab a glass to walk in a little. [00:33:02] Speaker C: I keep seeing. [00:33:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:04] Speaker B: You know, move too. [00:33:05] Speaker C: Yeah. They'll stop and then all of a sudden they start moving. But I couldn't tell if that was a vent on the floor there or not. [00:33:12] Speaker B: It kind of looks like one, but I'm not sure. [00:33:14] Speaker C: But it's funny if you watch. It's not like a blowing. It's almost like a cascading. [00:33:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I just seen one kind of move, but kind of went from. [00:33:25] Speaker C: Yeah, right now if you look at them, they're cascading. [00:33:29] Speaker B: It was. [00:33:30] Speaker C: I don't think it's good right to left. It's like it keeps going, but it could just be airflow. [00:33:35] Speaker A: It's just the airflow. I got the air conditioning on. [00:33:37] Speaker C: Okay. [00:33:38] Speaker A: I just had a double check. It's like. Yeah, the air conditioning is right. [00:33:42] Speaker C: 90 degrees outside, not that quite that warm here. So what was your first experience or unexplained event that happened? Was it when you guys were building, or was it after you moved in? When did you first find out that you had all this activity on the property? [00:33:59] Speaker A: During construction? Honestly? [00:34:01] Speaker C: Okay. [00:34:02] Speaker A: I mean, even before the construction. Even when the first time I knew or I felt just. I was just like, yeah, I'm not alone. Was when. Bring this closer. When my cat Arthur died in January, February of 1999, he passed away. And we just bought the property. And I said, I'm going to bury him on the property. I said, that's it. I said, I'm not saying I'm going to bury every single pet here on the property. And that's it. And my friend Sean came out with me, and I said, sean? He goes, yes, I'll do that. So we went, basically hiked down the hill, like around 10ft down the hill from the driveway, and we dug a hole. And I said, sean, I'm going to say a little prayer. And I bowed my head and I said, no, this is my first cat. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I looked. I just felt like I wasn't alone. I just felt like. I said to Sean. I mean, afterwards, I said to Sean, when we put him in the ground, I said, sean, I feel like there's like a whole bunch of. Like, there's a bunch of mourners here with us. I said, I just feel like I'm like my spirits are buoyed, and I'm not. It's not. Not just you and me, but there's like, a whole crowd of people that are sitting there mourning with us. And I said, I've never felt that. And he goes, well, I didn't want to tell you, I said, but I felt the same thing. I just felt this weird feeling like we were all being comforted that you and I have been comforted in you, especially by some spirits. It's like. And so that was the first time then during construction, it was like walking around the property on the. On the. It's just when we had the first two floors up, I just felt like I'd walk around. It's like, one, and it's like, going, yeah, what? And there'd be no one there. Almost like that presence of somebody, like, tacking the shelves. No one was there. [00:35:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:50] Speaker A: And then the laborers started to ask me, saying, david, where are the tools? I said, what tools? He goes, well, the air hammer was on the third floor. Yesterday, now we can't find it. And then they find it on the second floor in one of the other claw in a closet area and going, well, don't look at me, I have nothing to do with that. I said the last. Then about six months before we were done, I assembled all the laborers and there was five of them. They were between the ages of 34 and 16, the 16 year old being the 34 year old son. And we were just, we had done all the, I guess the rough construction had been done, so the walls were up. But now it was time to have the vanities pulled in, put in and the countertops put in and the electrical fixtures put in and all the finishings touches. So I said to the guys, I can actually show you where I was. Um, well, not that, let me see. Right there. You see where those, that those chairs are sitting? Yeah. Dining room, literally, that's the spot where I had them all lined up in a semicircle. And they, I was on this side. So I was on, I was here. Okay, they were over here. They were like in a semicircle in that area. And I said to them, I said, look guys, you know, we're almost done with the house. I said, we're almost finished. You know, you guys are out of here in a couple of weeks. I said, I got to ask you, I said, you've been here for the past two and a half, three years. I said, has has anybody had any weird experiences that you guys haven't told me about? And one guy goes, yeah, I guess I had some strange shit happen. He's telling me in Spanish, of course, because all these guys are from El Salvador. And he says, I'm down the third floor and I'm working. And it's about 6 o', clock, it's middle of July, and we have the air conditioning in and all the windows are up. But he goes, I'm the last one there and it's totally white. And so he says, I'm sitting here working and I hear the sound of voices, footsteps coming from the top floor. Now at the time, the bottom floor landing, the bottom floor, you'd go down the stairs. And then the bottom floor was open to the, you know, the landing went right into the room. So the room was 8ft, the entrance is 8ft across and say about 10ft, 12ft down, okay, 12 foot high ceiling, and it's an 8. And you just come landing and there's. It just goes right into that room. So he's basically saying, I can hear voices and Footsteps coming down the stairwell which is 8 foot by 8 foot by 40 seat. And he says, because I come upstairs looking for you. I figure it's you and your father, you come in to see how the construction's going. Because my dad was the general contractor and I was basically here as a supervising contractor. So he comes upstairs and he goes Senor Paul, Senor David looks around the entire top floor goes outside. He goes, the damnedest thing. He goes, the place is empty because there's not a single car up there. There's nothing. I said oh, I've been up here at 7 o' clock in the summertime during the construction. I said in the summer there's nothing here. The place is empty. People don't seem to get it back here until like 8:00 the summer. He says yeah, that's what I don't understand. So he goes to the second floor, looks to the second floor, nothing. And he goes back downstairs. He starts working five minutes later, voices and footsteps coming from the top floor. So he comes upstairs, he goes, now he's really like skeptical. He doesn't understand it and he doesn't, it can't be the people down there from over low because he goes, the windows are all shut. So he goes back and he looks, he goes, there's nothing as that se says I'd had enough. So he's going downstairs and packs his bags up. He says about five minutes later he says he hears it And I said, you hear one? He goes, I hear footsteps, leather soled shoes coming down the staircase, going down. And at the time the staircase was in but all we had was wooden treads. So there's two by twelves in the, in the slots with the uncovered, you know. And so he says they're going louder, louder, louder. They can hear them going 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. And they come into, so he goes into the room adjacent that's like, let's see, it's probably about, it's like this room but to there. So he's probably like 12ft away from it. So he's in the door jam and he's waiting. He says he hears the footsteps and they got to the bottom of the landing and they stopped. He comes running out with a hammer. He starts looking around at the land landing. There's nothing. The help there. I said, what do you mean? Then it happens. He goes, I'm standing there looking around, he goes, I'm perplexed and goes this. He says it's like an ice piece of Chunk of ice like it's 2 inch wide piece of ice almost, it feels like goes slowly across the back of his neck from the right to the left. And he says it's like dragging across. He goes as it is, his whole body is standing, starting to get totally erected. He says the hairs on his arms and his legs are all standing straight up and he's totally petrified. And he goes, yummy boy, yummy boy. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm leaving, I'm leaving. [00:41:05] Speaker C: Oh, okay. For our listeners that aren't watching the video, that bell is in the video. There was nobody touching it. Nothing. [00:41:19] Speaker A: I'm here by my lonesome and there's no. My tea cats are sleeping somewhere. So no, that's just me and the. [00:41:25] Speaker C: You can totally see it in the video. There is no. Nobody touched that. [00:41:30] Speaker A: Nobody touched that? No. Are you kidding? No. There's no remote control. People said with the leg raised on my, my leg rest on my, on my, my little recliner down the third floor on the TikTok video. I said, what are you talking remote freaking control? Oh, well, your, your leg touch. I said the, the armrest sits out like this and then 2 inches, 3 inches in is the button on the side and you have to push the button in from that point on. I said, what do I have hands on my calves that are pushing the button as well? I said, it's a bump and this thing. And as I was. Thanks. Fears like, thank you. Let's not forget. Thank you. Tynan couldn't have been better. And I know what you're getting at because that's an important story. They said so they wanted to emphasize it, but he says, I didn't come back for six weeks. I said, wait a second, wait, wait, wait. That's when you told the guys you were in San Salvador taking care of your mom who was sick. He goes, yeah. I said, why did you come back? He goes, because I didn't get. I was working in other jobs and. But I came back because I realized I didn't get paid for the prior three weeks. And I said, I remember it because you were supposed to frickin do the gosh time master bathroom and put the floor tiles in and the tiles in the shower and the tiles on the gosh, turn around the bathtub. And I got so tired after two weeks saying, when's he coming here? When's he getting here? That I ended up doing it myself. And to this day, I mean, I did it myself, but let's be honest, the crown jewel of the house's bathrooms. It is not. I screwed up because I'm watching him just take the tile and do this lather on the plaster and put it down. And I'm like, oh, that's easy. And I realized. He goes, well, you know, that's what I do with the regular, you know, man made manufactured tiles. But for the tiles in the master bedroom and bathroom, these are natural stone. You're supposed to take them out of the box and like a. Like a puzzle, lay them out and configure them. Because you have different veins through the different pieces of the marble. And you're supposed to basically match it up and take advantage of getting the pattern so it's going all the way through. And he goes, you didn't do that. He goes, I didn't realize that. He goes, yeah. It's like. It's. You have a vein going this way. The vein's like this. And you have a vein going this way. He goes. And it's. It's. It's all wrong. It's all wrong. It's. Not to mention some of those tiles are just a little bit taller than the other and they're a little closer. You didn't use the spaces. Said, yeah, I tried to use the spacers there. It looks easier than you make. I make it look easy to say. I thought I could figure it out after I watched you for a couple weeks doing the other bathrooms and the other in the kitchen. He goes, yeah. He goes, it isn't as easy as you think. It's like, no. Oh, it's not. So that's the story. [00:44:25] Speaker C: You've had multiple different people come in. Investigators, mediums. You've had ghost adventures, ghost hunters. And the thing I was impressed. I just rewatched the ghost hunters today. I was actually impressed by their reactions because normally they're. They try to really come in and really debunk things, and they usually don't have that much of a reaction. But they had some good reactions to your house. [00:44:55] Speaker A: They got. They got so much more stuff than they put on the show. It's not even funny. They really did. They got handled. And I was watching this stuff, and I'll be honest with you, the EVPs in the show were decent. But let's be honest. I've got ev. I've got. I call them disembodied voices because EVP is electronic voice phenomena, which usually means a spirit box or a Frank's box or an equin box, whatever the box. Here I've got 30 cameras. Let me show you what I mean. Yeah, I'll just. I'll bring one of them over to you guys. This is one of the cameras. It's right now on. This is from the. Yeah, this. Yeah. [00:45:37] Speaker B: Okay. [00:45:38] Speaker A: These are 30 of them inside and outside the house. They record the figurines. They record the kitchen, the dining room area. [00:45:48] Speaker C: Are you talking the figurines on top of the fish tank? [00:45:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that. Tripods for the figurines on top of the fish tank. Okay. [00:45:56] Speaker C: And that was. That was on the Ghost Adventure episode. [00:45:59] Speaker A: Yeah, that happened a lot. That happens all the time. And sometimes when it doesn't, I'm like, daycare. I said, it's been two weeks since you knocked the figurines over it. Nobody believes me when I tell them that you don't. And they go, it's a fish tank. I said, the fish tank weighs a thousand pounds. [00:46:16] Speaker C: Well, in that episode, you. You jumped. You were jumping very vigorously in front of the tank to try to get them to fall, and they wouldn't fall. [00:46:26] Speaker A: I mean, sometimes they fall, but it's very, very rarely that they do. And I think on one occasion we had an earthquake that we actually felt in the house. And that's one out of 23 years I've been here. And I've noticed there's been a lot more earthquakes that I've missed here in the house because the house is so sound, construction wise. And the figurines have been knocked over one time, all of them from an earthquake. Otherwise, when people say, you know, that it's this and that saying, so how come only one figurine and not a bunch of them at the same time are falling over? [00:46:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:59] Speaker A: Which I can't explain. That's the problem. It's like. [00:47:04] Speaker C: Well, they're just going up there and they're going. Got a reaction a while later, got another one. [00:47:14] Speaker A: It was on the 40th anniversary maybe 16 years ago. The big figurine, Beetlejuice, was thrown towards the artist Joey Moss, who painted all the paintings of Sharon Tate and such. And he was like. I said, yeah, I caught. I turned as it's flying in through midair. I'm going, whoa, that's crazy, man. I've never seen that before. But back to the disembodied voices. I have voices that aren't like, ask three different people what the hell they heard. And you had three different answers. I'm talking about clear, clean, clear vocalizations of a voice saying, hi, John. And my friend's going like, David, is there a chick here? It's like, no, John, it's just us. Well, I just heard a girl's voice say, hi, John. And we watched the cameras and sure as hell, you got a woman's voice going, hi, John. Wow. We're not investigating. He's just unpacking his bags at the dining room at the table. I'm like going, yeah, there's spirits are here. What do you want? And that it happens more frequently than I care to admit, only because I don't check the cameras every day like most people would think I should. I just haven't the interest to do. So if it's something that I catches my attention, then I write down the time, I write down the room, I write down what I heard in brief, you know, like a little notation of it. And I'll review the footage later going, wow, that's a pretty good piece of evidence. I like that. [00:48:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:48] Speaker A: Wise. No, I don't spend time, hours and hours going, I hate that I did that for the first three months I had in the system. And I was like, this is Burnoutsville, man. I can't. [00:49:03] Speaker C: Can only do so much. [00:49:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, I live here, so it's like, furthermore, how much information do I need to know that I really care that I live in this environment that I need to bombard myself with the notification of, yeah, you live in a haunted house. You know, what else is new? I mean, it's just. It doesn't. It does mean no benefit is what I'm basically getting. [00:49:23] Speaker C: Well, and if they're trying to get your attention, they're going to do it to you directly anyway, not. [00:49:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, when you're not around. No. And if it's something that's. That's happened and I know something's knocked over, I go to watch the video. It's like, okay, so you, you did that. I said, that's interesting. What was the point of doing that when I'm not here? Oh, so you get my attention after the fact. Okay, that's good. And it doesn't bother me. To me, it's more like being entertained and amused more than being concerned and scared and frightened. [00:49:53] Speaker C: Right. [00:49:53] Speaker A: Because here's the bottom line. What the hell am I gonna do anyways if I'm frightened? I'm. I'm in one bad position because all I've done is, is I put my. Painted myself into a corner. And the next corner, the next step is over the edge. Meaning you go kooky, right? It's like, oh, my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Ah. [00:50:16] Speaker C: And you mean that would be me? [00:50:21] Speaker A: Look, why? For what purpose? Who does that? How does that benefit you? I thought you look, you're entertained and curious about the paranormal. That's like a paranormal investig. Going investigator, going, oh my God, it's a ghost. And going, but that's what the hell you're looking for, supposed to be doing, isn't it? Oh. [00:50:48] Speaker C: So with like we were talking with ghost hunters, they had caught some EVPs that kind of sounded like almost like moaning or somebody that was in distraction. [00:51:01] Speaker A: To the lights, whatever the hell was I. I listened to that, I go, God, I don't know if it was me, if it was them, but boy, that is some weak, weak evidence again. I've got ghost cursing, saying pricks and going, I heard that. So I'm here alone. I said to the spirit, I said, you said plural. You said pricks plural. Who could you refer? Who are you referring to? Because I could be a effing prick. Got that? But you went out of your way, said pricks. And I'm like, tell me, who am I afraid of? What am I concerned with? And I mean, it's not like it's guesswork of it sounds like, I mean, I've got them saying, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. I mean I've got all different voices that are here. And it's not like I said, it's not even if it was a Frank's box that actually supposedly did this and the spirit box did it, it's not their voice. It's a transmission of a AM or FM or, or a cellular transmission that it's picking the words out of, right? These are really vocalizations of spirits and their own, you know, known words, so to speak. So to me, I go, look, like I said, look at my channel and take a look at the stuff and just type in, you know, disembodied voice and you'll see tons of videos and you go, oh, wow. And they're not shy either. Like I said, they want to say something, they chime in, I've gone bet on, bet on the reds tonight. Okay, I got you. Take your advice. How about the lottery? Got the lottery members for this. Winning today's multi billion. [00:52:45] Speaker B: I'll take those too. [00:52:48] Speaker A: That's the stuff we all want. They'll never get. But you do know the numbers, don't you? That's not just. Son of a. We can appreciate a break there you Live here rent free. They're gonna start charging you Info is worth money, just remember that. Seven. I'll take seven of the eights. That's fine. I'll be happy with that. That's good. I'll take those lottery numbers. Yes, please. What I wouldn't give to that kind of luck, right? [00:53:20] Speaker B: That'd be nice. [00:53:22] Speaker A: Boy, nice isn't the word. Being sane in any event. But I digress. [00:53:31] Speaker C: So are there any particular spirits in your home that you've come to recognize or quote unquote get to really know? Or are they more regular or more regular or common spirits? Or is it just a variety? [00:53:48] Speaker A: It's usually variety, I can't tell. Well, there's one spirit of a little girl who we've recorded here, we've called her, we've named her, given her the name of Gwendolyn. She first appeared when the Poltergeist DVD Blu Ray release event was here the house one evening. And they converted the third floor guest bedroom right next to the theater room into Carol Ann's room. [00:54:18] Speaker C: Oh no. [00:54:19] Speaker A: And I'm telling you I, I've. I've. In my entire life, I've never gone into that room but one time and ever said whose house is this? I mean literally every stitch of furniture, the queen size, the king, no, the California king size bed was pulled out of there. All the gymnasium equipment that was in there. The. They brought in a single kids bed. They brought in a three foot tall rattan hamper, you know, dirty laundry basket. They brought in a four foot tall stuffed teddy bear. They brought in a little kids teacup set with a table and chairs. [00:55:00] Speaker C: Please tell me they left the clown at home. [00:55:03] Speaker A: Had a clown. They had a 8 foot by 12 foot area rug that was like a little kid's area rugged from. Let's take in the movie. Apparently I didn't see the movie, the remake. They had this Barbie fricking keyboard that was a little. The reason why I mentioned it was freaking because during the party, their event, they brought In I think 60 social media influencers, broke them up into six groups of 10 and they, the first four out, first two hours, every 20 minutes they would have this, the group of 10, the six groups rotate. So they would go everybody at this, at this, at the 20 minute mark, everybody goes to the new to this station and this. So each part of the house is broken up into stations. And afterwards they started people coming up to say David, that keyboard, it played a single note on its own. And I'm like don't look at what are we looking at me for? I don't have no idea about David. It played by itself. And again, don't look at me. I don't know. After the, at the end of the night, Jimmy Oster from JoeBlow.com was doing his report and apparently the beginning of the night, he did his pre. Pre party, you know, video and then his after party video. Upon review, in the pre party video, he's talking and it's just him and his videographer and me, and I'm in the house and everybody else is outside working. He hears this. He's talking. And you hear in the background a little girl's voice goes, oh, gosh darn children. At that time, there was no children at the party at all. Everybody here was. Had to be over the edge of 2018. So that was the first thing at the end of the night when it was me, his videographer, his photographer, and that's it. The four guys were all over 30 freaking years old. We're in the theater room and Jimmy's down and this is. I've got the clips on my channel on my. You look it up, you can see the clips. And it's crazy. He's talking, he goes, I've been to David's house many times. And this is a quote of his from the thing. I've been to David's house many times and strange things have happened to me here. And almost as if on cue in the background, you hear this little girl's voice said, here's one, clear as a freaking bell. And there was. It was around 12:30 the show, the party wrapped up at 12:00 clock and they were all out and said, it's just the four of us. And he's. This guy says, I just heard a voice and he plays mega. So we ended up keeping the keyboard. Throw it out. I said, can I keep? Yeah. It's been here now for some 10, maybe 12 years. It plays on its own by itself. Wow, that's funny. [00:57:41] Speaker C: That's crazy. I love it. [00:57:43] Speaker A: So that's. That's the one we know. That's his girl named Gwendolyn, the Native American spirit. We assume he's here because every time different psychics have been here, like James Von Prague, and he goes into the earth and water and he goes. I feel a Native American energy in here, a spirit. I got to get out of here. 10 minutes, 10 seconds. That's a wreck. It's amazing. And, you know, I finally told Zach in Ghost Adventures and he turned it into a gosh The Native American ceremonial burial ground, which I said, one guy died here. He died by accident. His bones and body were left on the hillside and through the mudslides on the hill, which I've personally witnessed many times over. His remains were covered and buried deeper into the mounds of hill that became the part of the underside of the house. Not a gosh on ceremonial burial site. He goes and tells the stuff and the audience, including Scott Michaels from Daily to Buy Tours and comes to tell me your house is built on Native American ceremonial burial grounds. And I'm like, the hell it is. [00:58:51] Speaker C: So with all of the investigations and events and stuff that you've held there. I know, I. Again, I also rewatched tonight. [00:59:01] Speaker A: Yes, tonight I've got Tim Roddy's coming over with his Tim Roddy podcast has come to some friends of his, so that's going to be fun. Plus, I've got Kelly and Kay and Chris coming over as well to do some investigating with them, too. [00:59:17] Speaker C: Very cool. [00:59:18] Speaker B: Busy. [00:59:19] Speaker C: I can't wait till we get out there. I. I would love find the ball. [00:59:24] Speaker A: At the bell or something. Come on. Goes to show you they're. They're here, but they're very, very, you know, selective. Yeah, but that's good. You don't want the bell going off like it was a couple weeks ago. All the time I was like, you're giving me a headache. I can't talk. You're interrupting me. And it was a ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, craziness. So. [00:59:44] Speaker C: Well, spirits, you need to show us something because Jeremy is. Jeremy has never had a good paranormal experience. So give him something flash and frontal flash. So with all of the different investigators, different people you've had in different events and stuff like that. I know with ghost adventures, Nick had a pretty visceral reaction to the home and they were talking about not going in and doing the investigation. Have you had anybody else other than, you know, Barry Taft coming in on Taft? [01:00:26] Speaker A: It's just taf, because you'll look up Taft and you'll be like, oh, sorry, very taff. Well, just for your audience, if they want to look it up, yeah, they'll take Taft. She's a guy. [01:00:39] Speaker C: But has anybody else had visceral reactions like that or gone in to investigate and be like, not David. I'm out. I can't do this. [01:00:47] Speaker A: No, not really. But here's the thing is Nick's been back. He was back here nine years ago with Katina Weidman to do promotional bit for. It was a paranormal lockdown that he was Doing with her? Yeah, yeah, he had no problem that, you know. And I actually have tons of footage from his visit here because I wanted to make sure his return visit would be documented. So I have all this great footage of his visit. And, you know, nothing happened to him. Like, like what happened to him. And he even said, goes, I don't feel as uncomfortable. And I've spoken to him and I asked him, I said, look, you come back when you want. He's let dab you visit and such. So who knows, in the future he might, you know, But I hadn't talked to him in a while. Yeah, well. [01:01:28] Speaker C: And with it being a revolving door of activity, it could have been that spirit just wasn't there anymore. [01:01:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And again, I think what happened to him that night was a matter of guilt to association. I don't have to explain what that means, but I mean, you hang around with dogs, you wake up with fleas. And, you know, let's be honest, that was part and parcel of what was going on because I told them the night before when they were shooting the B roll footage, which included the pregnancy, the pregnant Sharon Tate clutching her stomach, covered in blood. And I have a whole sequence of photographs where one photograph, there's a ball of white light pouring out of her stomach. And I'm like, wait a second. Every other picture before and after doesn't show anything of that. And secondly, how do you explain a ball of white light coming out of her stomach when all the light, the lamps that were lighting her were in front of her, lighting her up in the front, you don't have behind her, because if you do, it's gonna blind out the entire image of her on the camera on the photo. So I didn't understand it. And I was like, one and I told him I got chills. And that's why at the beginning of the show, you see me going to the top of the stairs and, you know, I reenacted what I said five minutes early, which was, spirits, I don't want you. I this curse person in the mouth saying, don't you dare try to them up. I don't want anybody going to the hospital. I know you want to blame base them and, and paralyze them and torment them and basically take them to task because they've basically pissed on your graves and they disrespected you. I said, please don't do that. I said, you have to remember because it's not just you, it's. I live with this and I have to deal with the fallout. So Don't. As I'm walking out the door, the executive producer says, what the hell was that? I said, what the hell was what? He goes, what was that? Just that, that, that, that, that, that monologue. Is it monologue? What do you freaking think? I said. I said, did you. I said, I didn't see any cameras on when I was doing that. I said, I did it because I was terrified that you guys are going to end up going to the hospital tonight because of all the crap you guys have done here and the amount of disrespect I've seen from this show so far and the reenactments and stuff. I said, I told you. I said, it's a crock of shit. That she was seen down the street in front of the. Coming up the drive driveway, clutching her pregnancy, covered in blood. I said, it's. It's. She's psycho. I said, the broad's full of shit. I did. I told him. I said, look, I said, the problem with the story is that she ran, called me up six months ago, and she said she was coming and she wanted to visit the house, that I'd be okay with it. And I said. I said, oh, yeah, I remember you from a few years ago with this other paranormal group that was here. Sure. And then she called again. She goes, I want to come up. I said, fine. When do I come up? Just give me a call, let me know. And that was it. And now she's resurfacing on your show as a witness who says that her and her mom were in the car driving up the driveway. And at the bottom of the driveway, she turned in, she sees Sharon Tate walking down the street clutching her, you know, dressed in a nightgown, covered in blood. I said, what kind of stupid. I said, I said, when I saw Jay Seeping's apparition some years earlier, I said, he didn't look anything like he did when he was shot and killed. He was wearing the same outfit he was wearing when he was killed to begin with. I said, so the idea that this myth of, you know, the mythos of, you know, be careful what you wear when you leave the house, because if you're killed, you. You're going to be condemned to wear that fraternity. I'm like, going, yeah, says you. So that means. And this is how I think. So that means the poor son of a bitch, he went into the. Worked at the Starkist tuna factory, the cannery down in San Pedro, who was basically eviscerated and boiled in. In with the tuna and cooked and canned. You're going to tell me that he's going to come back as a gosh darn case a goddamn Starkist tuna. And I said, what's he going to say? Hey, it's Charlie, look at that, it's a floating. There he is. He goes, how about that? So you do come back the way you died and look at that, you still got your uniform bits on too. [01:05:31] Speaker C: Oh my God. [01:05:32] Speaker A: It makes no sense to stupidity. No, the man went through a wood chipper and he died through a wood chipper. So is he coming back in a silver platter as a pile of like 2ft of chipped human beef? Oh my God. Oh my God, that's Jeff. I remember Jeffy who died in that wood chipper accident. My God. I guess it's true. You do come back the way you died. Yeah, I think if that was true. [01:05:56] Speaker B: I'd be wearing that shirt all the time that. [01:06:02] Speaker A: I saw a Sebring. He was dressed in a goddamn suit and his hair was all kink, just like it was when he didn't have hair. Relaxing in, because you can't have hair relaxants in the afterlife. And he had naturally kinky hair. So I mean, this is why I say to these, these, these people that make these statements, you know, I said to them, I said, so he goes, well when you go back and do it the G rated version so we can record it. And I said, yeah, sure. So I said, why not? I said, you know, I'm not selling out to you guys, I'm just doing it for you, for the show. But the, the, the, the point was that I was trying to ask the spirits to leave them alone and they didn't. And guess What? They lasted three hours of a six hour lockdown and ran out after three hours. And when they started recording at 9 o', clock, all the equipment failed. All the batteries were drained, all the backup batteries that were hooked up to the house were all drained. So they had to reset for an hour later while they recharged all the batteries and equipment to start their show to shoot at 10. From 10 to 4 there. Yeah, 10 to 4 they were supposed to shoot. They wrapped at 1:05am and ran out of the house totally. [01:07:11] Speaker C: They didn't make it so low. [01:07:13] Speaker A: They didn't make six hours. Even though the time code, it's like time code. I'm watching the show. It's like I said, my friends, while here watching, I said, you know, it's. Now it says it's 2 o' clock in the morning at 2 fucking clock in the morning. I was hearing the gosh in the house, freaking cleaning the fucking place up. There was no one here but me at 2 in the morning. [01:07:29] Speaker C: Wow. [01:07:31] Speaker A: So the idea that 3 at 44. 3, 44, 45. Nowhere the hell were they near here. They were flat out gone. And then it was sick for the next three days and three nights. They were not in their bed in their hotel. Sick as a dog, huh? [01:07:47] Speaker C: Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. I didn't like the fact that they went in and did that investigation on their new season in the Poltergeist house. [01:07:57] Speaker A: Let me get this straight. [01:07:58] Speaker C: What are you investigating exactly? [01:08:00] Speaker A: What are you going to do? It's a gosh darn set. It's a location that was a movie house. A house that they used in resistance. Every call. They used the exterior. I don't even think they used the interior of the freaking house. He did most of the stuff on a soundstage. [01:08:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I can't. I think they did some of it inside and in the yard, but the majority was done on the soundstage. But Carol Ann's not gonna be there. [01:08:23] Speaker A: And you know, she's the fictional character. She's the frickin backyard and the freaking goddamn. Oh, you moved the headstones, but you left the bodies. You moved the headphones. You left the bodies. You son of. Yeah, okay, right, whatever. It's a thick. In motion picture, this is stupidity meets the idiocy of Mr. Bozo Clown Baggins. We're going to go into the soundstage and we're going to. I mean it's, it's. Look, there are sound stages in Hollywood. Universal is notorious for them that are haunted. [01:08:58] Speaker C: Right. [01:08:58] Speaker A: Because people work there, they lived their lives there, they died somewhere else, but they came back to places that were familiar to them. Just like the old saying goes. Where does this colloquial saying come from? We're going to go visit some of our old haunts. It's the reference that the dead returned to places that they were familiar with when they were alive. That memories of. And pleasant memories. And sometimes not pleasant memories, but it's a connection to. To that individual that's returning to that place, not the fact that they died there. It's like. Doesn't mean they're going to be hanging around the spot where they departed the fricking earth. This dude. [01:09:36] Speaker C: Right? [01:09:36] Speaker A: It's not like they're going to be watching that. Like I'm going to a graveyard. It's like as Barry taft told me 20 years ago, he Goes, graveyards are the least haunted locations on the planet. I said, why is that? He goes, what's a graveyard? I said, I don't know where you bury a dead body goes. Exactly. It's a repository for your earthly remains. The second you die and your spirit takes off, this is the spirit in the body. Spirit's now off, and the body's going off to the grave. Spirit's not like this right anymore. Spirit's doing what it's doing. The body's going off to be processed, for lack of better terms. And that's the thing is, like, the idea that a spirit's gonna be like, oh, look at me, I'm looking at my body. Oh, my God, look at my flesh. Look at my. My nails. God, I could use standard trim. These nails and oh, my God, they're being eaten out by warmth. What kind of an afterlife is that? You get? [01:10:29] Speaker C: Right. [01:10:29] Speaker A: Look at your gosh. And decomposing, rotting body. [01:10:33] Speaker C: Yeah. The one thing that still blows my mind from that movie, though, the swimming pool scene, is that those skeletons were real. [01:10:43] Speaker A: Some of them were real. They said some of them were real. They got them from a medical school. [01:10:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:49] Speaker A: Processing plant. Yeah. And then, then they, of course, they went back to being used in medical, you know, in universities and medical colleges where they actually, you know, have real skeletons. Because they were donated by the people that wanted them to be used for medical research. [01:11:07] Speaker C: Right? [01:11:08] Speaker A: Yeah, why not? [01:11:09] Speaker C: And you don't get to choose what they use. I mean, I just recently found out my both. My grandparents both donated their body to medical research. My grandpa got leukemia late in life and my mom died from leukemia, so he wanted to do something good. So he donated his body, you know, for medical research. And my grandma followed suit. So even years before she passed, she decided to do that. I just recently found out if you donate, it might not be for, like, medical research. It may be that you are going to be sitting at one of those body farms. Body farms. I was like, are you kidding me? [01:11:50] Speaker A: That's. Forget there's. There's worse than that. You don't even realize they do events with explosives and detonation explosives and also of ammunition and stuff to see how the damage to the human corpses. Because you can't use a pig. They say they use pigs. Yeah, they do, and they don't. A lot of times they actually use cadavers because they want to see the actual damage to a human corpse. Human. [01:12:15] Speaker C: I mean, I guess it is just a vessel that you're not using anymore. But I'm Kind of attached to this body. I don't think I want to be blown up or sitting there. [01:12:26] Speaker A: You're attached because you're connected. [01:12:28] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. [01:12:30] Speaker A: You know, that's. You know, think of it this way. Forget that. Forget the medical. Forget the Gosh. A medical. You know, it's a medical science. Right. Happens to a body after you. Gosh time. Go to A, the medical examiner, meaning the coroner, or B, to a. Gosh darn to a funeral home. They do a hell of a lot worse than that. I mean, if you have an autopsy. Oh, forget it. You're goner. I mean, you don't even want to know. I mean, I've seen and heard things. Oh, my. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh. [01:12:59] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [01:13:00] Speaker A: I mean, it's. You don't want it. You don't want to be this guy. All right, look at me. I'm. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. They're sawing my freaking skull off. Oh, God. Oh, God. I mean, can you imagine that? That's why it's like, yeah, let's. Let's go think that. Think. They make statements, but people don't think them through. Because if you said af, B, C, D, E, and F and G have to happen, too, and no one wants to discuss that because it's pretty horrific, to be honest. That's why. But this is. This is the facts that we all have to start to play with and to admit when we're talking about the paranormal, because people love to cast these wonderful assertions. And I go, but, you know, it's a blind assertion. He goes, why is. I said because. I say, why has it. Because it was a. Because the glass box was blessed by a priest. Was that one of the good ones that wasn't molesting children? I'm just kind of curious, you know, I. I mean. I mean, the idea that. That a human being has the power to somehow dictate to a spirit which is no longer human being makes me find. Find it very amusing to understand who the hell gave them the grace of God. To have that much hubris, to believe that they have such. Such skill and powers. I mean, I take the exact opposite. I say it's best is this. I'd rather be dumb and not know than to act like I know and not know. [01:14:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:25] Speaker A: And claim to be a professional or to claim to be an expert. Because every expert that I've ever seen has turned out to be a phony and been a paper tiger for the most part. I mean, there are people that are gifted, but even though it's like, look, I have gifts, but I can't do everything. It's like, I'm not God. It's like, thank you. [01:14:42] Speaker C: Right. Everybody's got their specialties. [01:14:44] Speaker A: Everybody's got. You have to admit, you know, your limitations. Thank you. Spirits. It says. It's not of limitations. It says limitations. People don't like to. Because they both brag and act like they're godlike. And it's like you can act well you want, but remember, it's an act. And I can see right through the cloth that you're. That you're walking right in front of. [01:15:05] Speaker C: Right. [01:15:06] Speaker A: So that's the thing. Yeah, sorry. [01:15:08] Speaker C: No, you're good. So with the different type of activity and stuff that you have in the home, like if Jeremy. Somebody like Jeremy who hasn't had a paranormal experience is a little bit of a skeptic to it because he hasn't experienced anything he wants to. Does the house get louder or quieter, depending on who's there? Like, if. [01:15:33] Speaker A: I'll say this, that most people that are skeptical end up having an experience because. Well, let me see if this raises your curiosity and your coefficient thought process to a place that you now accept and understand that we're real. It's. I can't. Kane Hoder was here in March with the whatchamacallit. [01:15:54] Speaker B: The Hollywood haunters. [01:15:56] Speaker A: Or no, he was with the whatchamacallit. The whatchamacallit Light. What's it called? The charitable foundation Light. I forgot the name of the Goshawan Company. The group. The guiding. Not Guiding Light. Starlight Foundation. And he was here to do a ghost hunt so that the two. The winner and the winner of their. Of their sweepstakes, whatever they had the raffle, ended up getting to bring a friend to go investigate the house here. And Kane was. Was bummed. Was really. Was really was looking forward. Hoping more than anything to make contact with his friend who had died. What's McCall? Tony. Tony. Who's the guy? Name the. The guy played. And the Candyman. Tony. Oh, I keep on hearing his name. I forgot your name. Tony. What was your guy for? Name? Tony. [01:16:51] Speaker C: Jeremy Candyman. The guy from. [01:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I can't think of it either. Tony Todd. [01:16:59] Speaker A: Tony Todd. And Kane said, he goes, there's somebody I really want to make contact with while I'm here. And he goes, I'm not going to tell you his name. I'm like, okay. And it's like, you know. And as it goes, he was more disappointed that he did not make contact with Tony. I said, well, he only died a few months ago. I don't know what the parameters are under how. How it works. But if he can't make it on, you know, can't manifest. I'm sorry, but it was one of those things. And it's like, you know, you've got to understand that everything happens on its own times. Not on our time, but on the right. On our own. On our own right time. And no matter what our desires are, it happens when it happens. So if he. So if you guys. Jeremy comes out here and you guys visit and something happens, terrific. I can't. I have no idea whether or not that's going to happen. Thanks. A lot of asses contradict with Zach Baggins claims in his book I Am Haunted, about three and a half pages he said that I knew when things were going to happen. And I'm. I'm a poltergeist, Asian. It's like I'd be the first to say I have no idea when something's going to happen. [01:18:02] Speaker C: Right. [01:18:03] Speaker A: And I can't say that you're going to be here and this is going to happen. That's going. I have no control over it, so it's entirely out of my realm of ability to do so. If it happens, it happens. I would hope that it happens for, you know, for Jeremy's sake, but, you know, you just have to see what happens, you know? Yeah. And who, you know, see who we can bring over that can add to the mix, that can bring out the spirits. Because I like, tend to notice that when there's a few people here, sometimes stuff doesn't happen. When there's a greater amount of people here, stuff starts to happen. Because as I like to say, the more pieces of the chemistry set that you. More, More elements that you put into the mix, the more chance that you are going to have a reaction. [01:18:52] Speaker C: Right. [01:18:53] Speaker A: And that's the type of the dynamic I've noticed here at the house. It's a curiosity. It's not like you can design it and say this is going to happen because I brought this person. But that happened last night. It's like, so what? It's. It's. It's an unknown. It's. [01:19:07] Speaker C: Right. [01:19:08] Speaker A: Like I said. I know, I know. Not when it's going to happen, but when it happens. Thank God I got the cameras on so I can record it and save it. [01:19:16] Speaker C: Right. [01:19:17] Speaker A: Right. Do it. So. [01:19:19] Speaker C: So what's next for the Omen House? What do you have any investigations coming up? [01:19:24] Speaker A: Another documentary or I'm still working on the first documentary. I've got a meeting with my production, my production associate and the agents to see what's going on with it. Basically I've got like I said, Tim Roddy coming over tonight. I've got next week. I've got Minnesota association of Paranormal Searchers. Map maps. Map maps. Yeah. [01:19:50] Speaker C: Minnesota. [01:19:51] Speaker A: Minnesota. They're coming out next Saturday night. They're going to spend the night. I said, yeah, let's do it. Let's have some fun and see if we can get some stuff. We'll do a live stream so that'll be good. Other than that. [01:20:02] Speaker C: Is it the Minnesota Taps team? [01:20:04] Speaker A: Not Minnesota Taps. They call themselves Maps. M A P. Okay. [01:20:08] Speaker C: I'll have to look them up, take them up on. [01:20:10] Speaker A: On. On. What is it on Facebook? Yeah, was going to say is the movie. This movie mine. We've just actually got. We just redid, re edited the beginning of the film. So we put some. The sequences in order now. So it goes to the murders, then it goes to discovery the murders and then it goes to the newsreel footage and then it goes to the present day. So it works out a little bit better. It's again, it's on rental. You can rent it on vimeo@houseattheendothedrive, DHX TV. And of course, where the hell is the book? Oh, there it is. Sorry guys. I have my book, Ghosts of Cielo Drive, which we're trying to get out there and you know, people to buy a copy of it since I think it's as. As the feedback has been. It's one of the best true stories of the paranormal without a lot of the drama and the hype of, of demons and possessions and stuff. It just, how should we say it? It cuts right to the bone of the truth of the paranormal without a lot of the. The drama. That's unnecessary. There's plenty of drama that happens in the book, but it's because the actual inst. The occurrences that have been reported in the book are all straightforward. Just let's say this is what happened. The sock moved across the floor three feet. And I'm sitting there going, what the hell do you guys want? And people go, I can hear your voice as I'm reading this goddamn book. I love, but I can't stop reading. And I'm going, that's scary to have my voice in your head. I would. No, no. When I'm reading the book I can hear you saying. And it's, it's so easy to read. And I Love the stories the way you've written it. It's like going, because it's. It's the way I'd want to read the truth about what's going on here. Not like I went in the room and it was totally chilled. I felt like I went into a refrigerator freezer and it was so cold, I could see my air. Like, this isn't the gosh darn exorcist man. Real life. This is in Amityville, where you can see the condensation on the window and I can say, help. It's me in my. Right on my fingers. I mean, that's just. That's not the way the ghost operates really. So. [01:22:14] Speaker C: Well, we'll make sure to include links for all of those item, both of those items in the show notes, and we'll be definitely ordering a copy and renting the movie as well. [01:22:24] Speaker A: Yeah, like I said, when you come out here, we'll screen it in the theater room where. [01:22:28] Speaker C: Oh, that'd be so fun. [01:22:30] Speaker A: Movie was shot here. So when you're here watching the movie going, I'm in that room. It's like, yes, you are. And goes, oh, no way. Say, oh, yeah, That's. That's where it all happened. That is it. This is the part of the house where that is like, oh, crap. Oh, crap. Oh, crap. [01:22:43] Speaker C: That would be crazy. I love that idea. [01:22:48] Speaker A: Before people go and I tell them the story said, yeah, you know Lance Hendrickson's, you know, his middle monologue. This is the room that the. That the. The. The contract labor had the experience. And that's the doorway where the door. That's where the entryway was, where he went. And that's the stairwell. And they're going, oh, crap. And I've heard the voices on one occasion in that room. And I've heard the footsteps a month later in my bedroom. And the. At the crack of dawn, walking across the ceiling and with the floor of this room, which is the ceiling to my master bedroom. And I could track the footsteps walking across the floor going, 1, 2, 3, as they trailed across towards the kitchen. [01:23:30] Speaker C: Wow. [01:23:31] Speaker A: You know that. [01:23:33] Speaker C: That is crazy. I love that. So do you think you'll ever move or sell the home or do you think you're going to stay there? What's that? When I die, that was my next question. Will you be the next ghost haunting the house? [01:23:48] Speaker A: I can't say for any certainty of that, but I certainly know this. Over my dead body, the house will be out of my possession. No, I'm not. My godfather in my Lifetime. My godfather lives like seven places. And I kept on saying, what is this? Every five years you upgrade to a new house. Some people upgrade and repaint the interior of the house so they redo the cabinet, kitchen. You don't do any of that crap. You end up selling the goddamn house and buying a new freaking house. He said, what is with you? I said, I can't stand that. I said, I've lived in my parents house for 18 years. Then I went to college and I had my own apartment for 20 some, some, some years. Then I've had this place for 23 years. I said, why would I want to ever move from a place I spent four years of my life with my father building and not quit? That's like, hector, go, go. Lift the. Go put that here. No, Hector, go move that. No. I had my blood, sweat and tears building the house. Literally building it with. With the guys and doing the stuff. And I was like, no, I'd never. I'd never in a million years want to ever leave this home. Never. And probably will end up haunting it hopefully. I mean, I think of Beetlejuice going, hell, no. I don't want to be the goddamn Maitlands going, the hell did you do to the room? What the hell did you do to that room? What were you freaking thinking? Those were gosh darn sound systems there. Were you nuts? That took time. Oh, yeah. I really want a haunted place and have that experience because, you know, that's what the hell happens in real life. The Maitland story in Beetlejuice is plain and simple. That's the truth. [01:25:21] Speaker C: Right. [01:25:22] Speaker A: You out of the house. My parents house had this beautiful fiddle leaf ficus. It was like 40ft. It was growing since the day I was born. It was in there and it grew in the plants. It was like maybe 3ft by a foot wide. And it literally grew, was growing. When it was. When the house was being built, it was like 3ft tall. My dad said, I'll leave it there. And it kept growing to the point where the thing was literally tied to the ceiling and was growing, like literally through. I sold the house 20 years ago. I went back a year later to look at the house to see how it looked. The first thing I. Gosh, John. Do is as I walked into the house and I noticed they took the tree down. [01:25:57] Speaker B: Oh. [01:25:57] Speaker A: And I'm like, you've got to be the stone. Stupidest m. I'm thinking you have a huge freaking tree in your home. It's been there for 40, 45, 45 years. I said, how do you and it. And it's not just, it's not destructive, it's just there and they took it out. I'm going, you don't know what the hell you just did. You had one of the, one of the only homes in the, in the world with a tree growing in it. Not in a planter, but in the ground underneath. It's like, I, I, I. And I can imagine what my mother must be feeling because she was in there. Would fight with my father through the years of saying, Paul, trim it a little. Don't take too much of it. Don't you. Because my dad's like, I'm going to take it down. He's like, my mother's like, God damn you, Paul. Don't you. So I can't imagine she died in the house. So I can't imagine that the people now having to deal with her spirit. That must be great thing. Holy hell going you. You took out my favorite freaking. What the hell do you think you something. That's the way I would have been if I was in her shoes. So, yeah, you can just see her. [01:27:02] Speaker C: There you were crossing your arms. [01:27:06] Speaker A: I can hear her, I can just hear saying, what the hell did you think you were doing? It was so unique. It was so beautiful. What are you not so. So. [01:27:15] Speaker C: Well, David, I know you have something else coming up this evening that you've got to get to, so we don't want to take up too much of your time, but we so appreciate you doing this with us. It's been so fun and we cannot wait to come out and visit and investigate, watch the movie, all the things. [01:27:37] Speaker A: Oh yeah, you're going to do a live stream from the house. You can write your trip off, believe you me. Okay, you know, come on, you're gonna. [01:27:45] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [01:27:47] Speaker A: Have a couple of videos shot up here and a few other locations in la. Why the hell not? And so, yeah, it was a business expense. Look at, look at all the content we made from the trip. We didn't just take a vacation, we made it. Yeah, that is right the way to do it. [01:28:04] Speaker C: Jeremy just today he was like, what do you think this is kind of perfect timing right now. Should we just drop everything and go to California for two weeks? I'm like, right now? And he's like, yeah, why not? And I'm like. [01:28:18] Speaker A: Just go and do you know you only live once? That's one thing I've noticed. If you don't do it now, you're going to regret it sometime in the future. Saying what was I thinking? It's like, yeah, what were you thinking? You take advantage of what you have. When the, when the spirit moves you, don't the spirit go with it? That's what I said. Again, if you make sense, if you make it work for you, you can make it work for you. Meaning you can go out and start figuring what locations you want to go to and shoot. Make the content make it work for you and make it pay for itself. [01:28:52] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely. [01:28:53] Speaker A: Otherwise, there's no point in living if you're not making it work for you. [01:28:57] Speaker B: That's for sure. [01:28:58] Speaker C: Well, and we've made a couple new friends in Cali here recently too, so we definitely want to get out there and visit them as well. Like I mentioned before we were recording, we just recently had Jameson on. We met him at a Crypticon and then we had G. Tom Mack, the singer and songwriter of Cry Little Sister and a ton of other things too. We interviewed him as well because we had actually messaged him to try to get the rights to play Cry Little Sister on Jameson's episode and ended up having him come on and do an interview with us. [01:29:33] Speaker A: A lot of fun. [01:29:34] Speaker C: So we want to get out there and visit them and do a little something with them too. So definitely gonna have to plan something soon because Cali's calling. [01:29:45] Speaker A: She's calling. You better answer and pick up quick and take it. [01:29:48] Speaker C: Yes. [01:29:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:29:51] Speaker C: Well, again, David, thank you so much. And we'll have to do something again soon. [01:29:57] Speaker A: Absolutely. Hopefully out here in person. Yes. [01:30:00] Speaker B: Sounds good, David. [01:30:02] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:30:03] Speaker A: Thanks again. [01:30:04] Speaker B: You too. Thanks for hanging out with us here at Total Conundrum. Please make sure to check out our website and [email protected] for news, upcoming events, merch, bloopers, and additional hysteria. You never know what will pop up, so be sure to follow along. If you want to show your support for Total Conundrum and gain access to all of our bonus content, please visit our Patreon page. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram and and Twitter. The links are available in our Show Notes. 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