Episode 69 - Ty Olsson

October 23, 2025 • 02:35:54
Episode 69 - Ty Olsson
Total Conundrum
Episode 69 - Ty Olsson

Oct 23 2025 | 02:35:54

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Grab your favorite salt rounds and a flask of vampire blood, Conundrum Crew — because this week, Jeremy and Traci sit down with the legendary Ty Olsson!

You know him as Benny Lafitte from Supernatural, Niko Zimmer from The 100, and the unforgettable Original Dragon from Dragon Tales (yes, seriously — that’s range!).

Ty opens up about life behind the camera, hilarious on-set moments, the wild world of conventions, and how his fans have become one big extended family. You’ll laugh, you’ll feel all the fandom feels, and maybe even question whether Benny really deserved a better ending .

If you’re part of the SPN Family, a sci-fi junkie, or just love a good behind-the-scenes story told with humor and heart — this episode’s for you.

So, sit back, grab your holy water (or whiskey — we don’t judge), and join us as we go from Supernatural to The 100 and beyond with the one and only Ty Olsson! Enjoyed the episode? Show us some love! Like, comment, and share with your weirdest friend. And if you’ve got your own strange tale or haunting experience — we want to hear it!

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[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sa. [00:00:31] Speaker B: If you dig the twisted, admire the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree, join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Warning. Some listeners may find the following content disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. [00:01:08] Speaker C: Hey, Conundrum Crew. Today's guest is a powerhouse of talent with a resume that reads like a fan convention's wish list. He's been a vampire, a dragon, a grounder, and an ape. At this point, is there any species he hasn't played? [00:01:22] Speaker A: So. [00:01:23] Speaker C: So buckle up, Conundrum Crew. This is gonna be good. Please welcome the one and only Ty Olsen. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Hello, Tracy. You know, you know, it's funny, I played a zombie too. I haven't played a werewolf, though. That's the trifecta. I need to. [00:01:39] Speaker C: Well, you were close. You were in Twilight. [00:01:42] Speaker A: Very close. Yeah, yeah, very close. [00:01:44] Speaker C: So you got a little association there. [00:01:46] Speaker A: Well, yeah. [00:01:47] Speaker C: Hi, how are you? [00:01:49] Speaker A: I'm very good. I'm enjoying the. The last hurrah. Summer up here in Vancouver, it's been stunning of staying off the air. That's la. Like, the weather's just beautiful. Vancouver is such a world class city. In the summer. It's like a flower blossom here. Everybody just kind of comes out and goes. The winter months are so gray and overcast. So I've had a great summer. I've been riding my motorcycle, traveling and I was. I probably out of the province, out of my home for about three months. Like I just come home for like six days ago and I come home and I do a little party with my friends and meet somebody that we'll go again. I just had a. I changed my birthday. Yeah, I'm 50 now. I do what I want. I. I have a winter birthday and I've had it my whole life. But January birthdays kind of suck because it's kind of hard to get people to come out. Some of them were still in the New Year's resolution. Some of them are broke from the holidays because that's, you know, everybody's kind of tapped out. The weather's not great. So I went to hell with this and I moved it to August 26th. [00:02:53] Speaker C: Perfect. [00:02:54] Speaker A: And I did it for a couple of years. It was great. I had a luau one year, went to the beach the next year and then. But ironically, for my actual 50th birthday, I was planning to Have a giant one because big five zero thought I'd make it. And I was working and then. And then I was working for my actual real birthday and my new birthday. Oh no. So I. So. So I'm about two years late by celebrating my 50th birthday this weekend. That shit around. Who cares? So, yeah. So I've had a really, really wonderful summer. Riding motorcycles and camping and flying and conventions and just fantastic weather. I did a six hour float on a navy river a couple weekends ago. Like big days and drinks and just float down a river for six hours. [00:03:43] Speaker C: That's awesome. [00:03:44] Speaker A: Amazing. So I've had a fantastic summer, but today is. I'm doing the Silver September. Well, semi sober because I have to go to Australia. I have some Australian friends that I was like, I have a couple of beers in Australia. Right. So I'm like, as long as I'm in the country, I'm gonna stay. There you go. I'll do a. So Canada. [00:04:06] Speaker C: Yeah. I have the big five zero this year. So. Yeah. And mine. My birthday's in October, which I'm okay with because I love Halloween and I love spooky season. So it's like perfect. And we have a big Halloween party every year and we put on a big haunted house type thing for the community. And so I get to celebrate my birthday pretty much the whole month. [00:04:31] Speaker A: October, such a pretty. A pretty time of year too. [00:04:34] Speaker C: It is. [00:04:34] Speaker A: Especially your part of the world, right? Yeah. I imagine it's stunning. [00:04:39] Speaker C: Well, except for the last couple years we've had rain and snow and it has like destroyed our display. Yeah. Last year we were literally up all night trying to keep the. To be able to keep it open for Halloween and it. The snow was so heavy, it just. 30 plus canvas pop up. Canvases just crumbled. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was insane. But I do love Minnesota. Sometimes I have a hate, love, hate relationship with it. Yeah. Well, Ty, let's let our listeners know a little bit about your early years and your personal background. Like, what was it like when you were growing up? I know I listened to a few podcasts, so I know I have a little bit of insight on this. I know you had a kind of a. A troubled upbringing. [00:05:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I. There's a lot of domestic violence in my biological home and I was kind of pulled out of that when I was 10 and then moved around the system through group homes and foster homes for that six years. And. And there was a lot of violence in the early days and a lot of chaos and, and that kind of. That Stuff tends to, you know, obviously run over into a child. So my teen years were pretty rambunctious and, you know, petty, petty crime and alcohol and drugs and girls and thefts and chaos. And so, yeah, there was a lot of chaos in my early years. I. Luckily, I met some good people along the way at the right time, right place to. To help me move forward in life, affecting me in such a positive way that I was able to navigate those waters without too much permanent damage, so to speak. [00:06:24] Speaker C: Yeah, you learn from your mistakes. You definitely do. [00:06:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:06:27] Speaker C: Well, if you don't, then, yeah, well, there's ones that don't, too. I grew up in the foster system as a teenager. I lost my mom at a young. When she was young. I was 14, she was 32. So I'm familiar with the foster system and stuff like that and having to have that a little bit in your life. And, yeah, I was fortunate. I mean, I had a few that were not so good in the beginning, but I ended up with a really good one at the end. Well, and I know you had also had a teacher that was very influential. [00:07:00] Speaker A: Judy, this is catching on now. They're all asking me about that because I get very emotional when I talk about. I would try not to today. Judy. Judy Craig, who was in the. She taught at Rita Valley Middle School, and she was the French teacher, the drama teacher, and she was aware of the group home that was near the school that I was part of. And I think she just generally took most of the kids from that group home under her wing a little bit because she knew that we were all kids at risk and we're coming from trouble backgrounds, and she was just that kind of woman who wanted to do her best to give us a leg up whenever she could. And I was a little terror. I used to show up like this, you know, 40s, a buck, going to grab a hash to school at grade seven. So, oops. I was resourceful and. And she would do things like going, you smell like alcohol. Stay away from the other teachers and give me a mint and stuff. But she got me to audition for the school play, and because I loved her so much, I was like, yeah, okay. And it was for Henny Penny. The chicken was afraid the sky's gonna fall. And in a. In a play called the Great Race. And it was inherently funny because I was a big kid and I was a bit of a terror, and I fought a lot and stuff. So to see me playing this, you know, this chicken who's afraid of the sky falling Was inherently funny. The joke just. It's kind of already there. You don't even have to work at it. And then the following year, I played one of Cinderella's ugly stepsisters, which is also inherently funny because I was a big kid. And so she, you know, I think she showed me a little bit of, I'm on your team. You know, what's like protecting me a little bit from. Because, you know, there was principals and teachers there that wanted to. Always wanted to catch me, so to speak. You know, Like, I remember one time I was in Caught in the hall, and the school was built like an octagon with classes in the middle and classes the outside, and then like a wind road of hallway. And so you come around. I was coming, the hallway empty, and I saw the vice principal, but I. I dodged back real quick. I ran around the other way, and I stuck to the side. Her door. Her room was kind of in the middle, so it had a door from that side and the other side. And I slipped in, and she was on the board or something like that. I slipped in, went to my seat, and sat down and pretend like nothing happened. And I was skipping her class. And the principal came in and went, Sir, Mr. Officer, I like to speak to you. And she's like, excuse me. So. So why. What's. Why are you. I just saw him at the home. No, he's been here the entire time. I think he must be mistaken. Let's see if I can lie to him. She. She didn't like the way he stormed into her class. It was all like macho man kind of thing. And so she fucking covers for me. So it was that kind of stuff. And anyway, so she said, you should do this as a living. You're a good actor. You should go to this high school that is a living, but you should go to this high school. It's kind of like that same show where people. Visual artists and dancers. [00:10:04] Speaker C: I loved that show. [00:10:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And. Oh, yeah. Okay. And she said, if I get you the application, will. Will you go? Like, will you apply for it? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. At that age, I wasn't thinking about anything, you know, Like. [00:10:19] Speaker C: Right. [00:10:20] Speaker A: About anything. So I'll get it for it. So she got it, she filled it out, she sets it in, we get a package back with two auditions, and she coaches me on these auditions, and she drives me into the city for about. It's an hour drive to the audition so I can audition. That drives me home, and then she gets the package sent to her, and three weeks later, we get the package back over and accept it. And so she calls them, goes, I don't understand. He's great. Why would you accept him? Like, oh, no, no, he's good. He's really good. But his grades are so low we can't take over the catchment. And she's like, oh, well, what if I tutor them? And so she tutored me for the rest of the year. [00:10:59] Speaker C: Nice. [00:11:00] Speaker A: So I could get my grades up. And then I got into the school and I. I think about the. The extent that she went out of the way of being a normal teacher to make that happen. And I almost failed every year in school. I got 55s every year. Because again, I don't. It was like I was thinking about today, not tomorrow, at that stage of my life. How do I survive today? And. But my last year, I had a lot of older friends. By last year, I kind of realized prior to my last year that all my friends that were a great older than me were all going to theater school. I would go to college at the school. I'm like, you do this for a living. I was like, really? Okay. And so I went from getting 55s every year to graduate on the dean's list and having a 98 in drama. So once they went, oh, oh, you can do this. Okay, well, I'll show up. Then I went to a school in vancouver called Studio 58, and. Which was kind of the perfect school for me because, you know, I've been so fortunate that things happen for a reason. One of the best schools in the country is called National Theater School, and it's. It's turned on a lot of fantastic actors. I was not right for that school. Even though I was talented enough to go there. I wasn't right because I was so raw. I was not a kid who had grown up doing the theater and his parents were in the theater. And, like, I grew up fighting and drinking and surviving, so I wasn't ready to go to that level of it's the equipment. Almost like the rich kids School of Drama, not because they were rich, but because they had so much experience. [00:12:40] Speaker C: Right. [00:12:41] Speaker A: Leading up to that. And I ended up going to theaters. Theater School, Studio 58, that just loved its damaged toys, you know what I mean? Like, they loved anybody that was damaged. They were like, that's. That's something who was talented but also had some life behind them. [00:12:57] Speaker C: Right. [00:12:57] Speaker A: And so I think it was, again, those just fortuitous things where I ended up making the right choice and going to school that was perfectly suited for Me, I also got kicked in out of it a bunch of times too. But I love that. I was doing a show once with a war from the Planet of the Apes and one of the animators would say, hey, you did a great job. We're loving. We're loving animating you. Your face is perfect to animate. No, no, no. Like, we're getting down everything. Even that little sniffle you do. I was like, oh, Jesus. Right? Great. My. My gorilla looks like he has a cocaine habit. I love. [00:13:36] Speaker C: How was that? [00:13:37] Speaker A: And I'm kind of going to make those kind of jokes all the time too. Like, you know, hooker blow kind of jokes. [00:13:42] Speaker C: Right. [00:13:42] Speaker A: And I realized, I mean, the way you sniffle, people are going to think you're a crackhead. Like, you're just setting yourself up for gossip, you know, I mean, it's so. Somebody told me, I can't remember who it was, but it made me laugh one day that they said they love being on set and going, oh, no, it's so drunk. And just make jokes like that. And I was like, oh, that's a funny joke. And I went, no, Ty, people will believe you. I'm no, I'm known to, you know, enjoy cocktail from time to time. So you don't think about the repercussions of this, of this, you know, like, Right. We're. We're in a world where you have to, you know, you have to put up with this thing. This is the joke. This was the. [00:14:28] Speaker C: I was kidding. Jk. Jk. I was speaking of plan. [00:14:33] Speaker A: It'd be funny. Is now what I should do is I go over there, instead of blowing my nose, pretend I'm a big wine or something like that. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Imagine how fun it would be on set with you. You just have personality. [00:14:52] Speaker A: The thing is, I'm just so. Sometimes I'm just so stupid I don't know what I'm doing and get myself in trouble for. I didn't do well. [00:14:58] Speaker C: And I think that's the big difference of being, like, born and raised in LA or being in LA and being in Canada, because it's like two different worlds. [00:15:09] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, the world has gone mad, make no mistake. [00:15:16] Speaker C: Definitely. [00:15:17] Speaker A: Especially with social media. And even recently, have you realized, like the last year or two, because AI is something. Boom, right? Like, we knew it was coming and we saw little trickles. Now it's just bang. And literally, it used to be always like, you'd look at stuff, you're like, okay, I should double check that, verify that news. Is that really? The video of the guy talking. But now it's like, you can't trust anything. No, like you literally cannot trust anything. [00:15:47] Speaker C: It's crazy. [00:15:49] Speaker A: And I don't know what happened to, I don't know if it was relaxed like laws or if people have just lost their sense of ethics. But people will say, like, people will post. It used to be like, you know those, those scummy magazines that would post like, like, let's not say the National Choir. There was one or two of those that would post garbage news, you know, now the entire Internet does that. It's like, it's not just one or two where you're like, oh, it's the National Enquirer. It's everywhere. It's everything. It's easy. I mean, at what point do we, I don't want to ever censor the news. You can't do that. But at one point we go, hey, you got to stop. It's getting too real. You're going to people up. You're people up. And we're. And they're doing it now. They're people up with this misinformation and garbage. And, and I don't know how you, you know, the Fox News did not news Entertainment Place. It's a, it's an entertainment. [00:16:45] Speaker C: Oh, really? [00:16:45] Speaker A: Registered. It's registered under entertainment, but it's called Fox News. There's a difference, There is a big difference between entertainment and news and viewers or listeners look that up. And, and I'm not shitting on anything because I'm Canadian. It's none of my business, but other than I'm part of this world and it's somebody. But I'm just saying, looking up, it's, it's registered as an entertainment source, which is why they can't curb the truth. That's scary. [00:17:14] Speaker C: It is very scary. Yeah. You'll scroll through on social media, any of them, and it's like, you look and you're like, oh, Then you fact check it. If you can fact check it. And you're like, why, why do that? I mean, it's click. It's all clickbait shit. [00:17:28] Speaker A: It's a full time job to verify all this. It is. Yeah. So I will say, hey, I saw this video. I have not videoed it myself yet. But I, you know, like, you have to give the disclaimer that this might be a lie. Or I, I'll say something. And they're like, you know what? Let me. I haven't checked on that. Go Snopes or something. And it's it's exhausting. We have this. We have the ability to have all the information in the world at our fingertips and it's just garbage. Yeah. Anyway, that's about right for today. [00:18:00] Speaker C: Well, and not only that, how do you. What do you benefit by like the announcing that a celebrity died that didn't die. [00:18:07] Speaker A: They said that to my husband, dj. Like celebrities who have died. I'm not dead. You know, that should be illegal to do that. [00:18:17] Speaker C: It should be. I never believe anything I see. I'm like, well, then I. You know, I'll check it. Like, when Aussie passed, I was like, no, you know, you know why? [00:18:28] Speaker A: Because they said two days earlier somebody else said that he had passed. Like, like false news. They said a few. There was a bunch of places saying false news in the past. There's news people saying I was going to Switzerland. None of it was true. And then the. The did die. [00:18:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Like, how shitty is that? [00:18:46] Speaker C: That is very shitty. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Like, what a thing to do to somebody. And that poor family. [00:18:51] Speaker C: I know. [00:18:52] Speaker A: Leave them alone. Isn't that such a. Oggy was my childhood. He was my teens. He was my adulthood. Like, I'm a big Aussie fan. I have been forever. Black Sabbath, Ozzy Blood forever. And even though I fell off, some of his music wasn't. Didn't get exactly where I wanted to be by the end. I loved him. I thought he was fantastic and. And I thought it was so cool. I think he literally stayed alive long enough to do that last concert. [00:19:19] Speaker C: I know. [00:19:20] Speaker A: I really do think that. And he like, he's a spectrum dude. Let's be honest. [00:19:26] Speaker C: Oh yeah. [00:19:27] Speaker A: You know, 100 on the spectrum or something. Right. He literally was. His only goal was to do one more concert. [00:19:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:35] Speaker A: Because he needed to say goodbye. And then he like, yeah, that's it. Pleasure. I believe that too. It. [00:19:43] Speaker C: It was really weird because I somehow I don't remember what I w. Watched, but I went down a rabbit hole of binging. The Osbornes Jack and a road. The. Their road trip show together. You know, all these shows from, you know, back in the day. We were sitting there binging all of those and then he passed when we were in the middle. You know, I'm like, no, it. Like it hit even more because it's like it rekindled all of those Aussie feelings. [00:20:16] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I just saw a clip today that I never seen before sharing interview and she had said that I didn't know how to read or write for a long time, that he was dyslexic and in school, it was back in the old they post war, the teacher, you know, put him in the front of the class and face the class. And he was teased a lot at school and so he would run away at lunch and go sit in what they call bomb areas. Back then there were still a lot of areas of. Of London that had been bombed or England ended up in bomb and listen to music and stuff. Like so interesting. Like imagine growing up in that era in a factory town like in Birmingham and having dyslexia or whatever, like and being clearly on the spectrum and. And you know, at a time when nobody understood that nobody had any. No, no crazy. [00:21:05] Speaker C: Well, even when we were in school in our generation, there wasn't any mental health, there wasn't adhd, none of those diagnosis. Like we had this one kid that would always disrupt the cat the class and would just be crazy all the time. And their way of. The teacher's way of solving it was I'm gonna grab you by your bobber and throw you out in the hall. You know, so we didn't have any of that. [00:21:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And we also, you know, every had an uncle, so and so a little bit weird. He always switched the light switch on and off a couple times. You never think about it like. Yeah, you mean the OCD thing. [00:21:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Right. But yeah, it's a totally different. Different era and different way of people growing up with those diagnosis and having to, you know, get help for some of them. But yeah. So yeah, Ozzy, he's. That was really sad. I'm. I'm. [00:22:02] Speaker A: What a great. Did you watch the last stream though, that streaming concert? [00:22:06] Speaker C: I haven't yet. I haven't brought myself to do it. [00:22:08] Speaker B: I've watched bits of it. [00:22:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's real long, but it's worth watching. Put it on the background, you know, when you're cleaning or something. You watch them if you like the bands that you like. But he sounded really good for most of his. They didn't do a ton of show songs, but it sounded really good until he got to some of the emotional stuff which made. Then he lost his voice because he was emotional, which made us emotional. And it was really as sad but encouraging. You know, basically strapped in this wheelchair. You see him trying to get out of it. He's like, yeah, I was like. I was like, there's a bad man. He's like going. He's was grave trying to do his best. And it's. It was awesome to watch. It was awesome. [00:22:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:51] Speaker A: I've always been big fan. [00:22:53] Speaker C: Oh me Too. I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it yet because Jeremy played the video on YouTube of him and Kelly singing together. [00:23:03] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:23:05] Speaker C: I started bawling. I'm like, I can't do this. I can't. I can't watch this. [00:23:13] Speaker A: There's a. There's a young performer by the name of young Blood too that's real hot in the news and does a version of. Of changes. Yeah. On that. On that thing that will blow your mind. It's so good. [00:23:24] Speaker C: Jeremy's been him. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:27] Speaker A: I like K. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting cat that he's. [00:23:32] Speaker C: I haven't listened to too much of it, but Jeremy's been talking about him a lot, so. Definitely check that out. [00:23:37] Speaker A: Apparently all the. All the ladies our age are all. [00:23:45] Speaker C: He's cougar. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Again. Yeah. [00:23:49] Speaker C: I love it. [00:23:50] Speaker A: Almost like a. Like a Mick Jagger feel like when he was young, you know, that giant smile, kind of almost feminine lips with a giant smile. But deep sunk eyes but lean and like, he's a handsome dude. English accent too. Bastard. Yeah. [00:24:06] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [00:24:08] Speaker A: And he can sing. [00:24:12] Speaker C: Yep. Either. The only accent that we have is. Well, for us in Minnesota, everybody loves to make fun of. And I get a little of that. [00:24:22] Speaker A: Well, you don't have. [00:24:25] Speaker C: But a lot of people will say that we do the A boat and you know, that's not us, that's K. Oh, yeah. [00:24:31] Speaker A: He ain't going down to get to clean soccer. [00:24:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, yeah. [00:24:36] Speaker A: You can get some help. [00:24:37] Speaker C: No. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:24:40] Speaker C: I mean, I say a lot of things that people. I grew up in northern Minnesota, so Jeremy loves to make fun of me about some things that I say and some things. Yeah. Hello. [00:24:54] Speaker A: Blame it with Canada. You're just a little too close to Canada. It's bled over. [00:24:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:58] Speaker A: Our goofiness is bled over. [00:25:02] Speaker C: I love their goo. I love the goofiness. Bleed over all you want. All right. Well, can you tell us about your first acting job? Paid or unpaid? And if you have any addition horror stories from the early days. [00:25:18] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I got both of those. You know, it's so funny is my first job in a professional theater was community system. So I. I've gone to this new school. I'm a big kid and I grew up in a rough, rednecky kind of area. Like I grew up in an Ottawa area and Ottawa is the. The capital of Canada. But it's surrounded by little redneck towns and you know those little towns, you know, you. You fight, you drink. That's a weekend. Yeah. And. And I. I. Day three is a new school. And the school bully wanted to test me out and broke his nose and it didn't go well for him. And. But I got. I got charged with assault and so I need a community service. And they. But we somehow swindled it to make it so I could do community service at a local theater. And so I was like the curtain kid and I ran around and like for the whole run of Frankenstein. And it was really. It was actually really cool experience. I got to meet all the actors and grown up actors doing the thing and see the back working some stage. So that was. That's always my real first theater experience. Like true. Like I can't remember professional. But my first gig was I just teach him at the Shaw Festival in Niagara on Lake, which is kind of like the Shakespeare festival but for George Bernard Shaw. [00:26:48] Speaker C: Okay. [00:26:49] Speaker A: I was very fortunate. They let me graduate a few weeks early from theater school so I could go start the season there, which was a big honor at the time. I think I was the only second student from the school to have ever been hired by them at that time. It's a repertoire theater company. It's second largest in North America. And as for a theater actor, that's. That's a deal. Yeah. And I did 12 understudies that year. [00:27:13] Speaker C: Wow. [00:27:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And three of them in the same play. And if you know anything about George Bernard Shaw is he likes to talk a lot. There's a lot of. And it's like I played. And I played good King Charles in Golden Days. I played a Quaker, a Dutch painter and a prince, I think, all with different accents. And when I was doing the run through because all the other studies they make you do run through to make sure you know the dialogue in case you have to fill in. [00:27:42] Speaker C: Right. [00:27:42] Speaker A: It's literally like walking from mark to mark through this. Talking to myself in different accents for entire scenes. So I knew everybody's. Everybody's accent, everybody's lines and everybody's blocking since three different characters in the whole play. Yeah. And I remember the stage manager going, wow, that. That was really impressive. I'm pretty sure people don't that you. Because I killed it. I made sure I was gonna kill it. And then. And then my very first film intelligent job was actually X Files. Okay. And the re. And so I. I love the film. Intelligence, subtlety and. And the money and, and the in and out of it sometimes. You know, I like the excitement of it and I love. I actually love the audition process. Back in the day, I loved it more than I do now. But I love the challenge of figuring out something new, right, and, and having to do it fast. I. So I was in Shaw Festival and I got a neck deep in theater and I got a call from Toronto, casting agent. You know how hard it was to find you Because I didn't have an agent at the time. I got right from school into this thing without agent. So again, kind of unheard of, right? They're like, this name is Dennis Fu, a Canadian playwright, written this TV movie called White Lies about skinheads and violence and crime. He had seen my last show at Studio 58 where I played a post apocalyptic version of Macbeth. Shaved head, tattoos, steel pipes instead of swords, that kind of thing. And he wanted me to audition for the lead. I really had no idea how to audition for tv and I blew it. I blew it really, really bad. Oh, no, really bad. I was super nervous. The nerves got the better of me. I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know Toronto, so I didn't know where I was going. I didn't know I was doing how to play some camera. I didn't know that I'd been just running the, you know, summer day. That guy. Big, big stage acting for large audiences. And I just blew it. I'm so mad at myself and I work well under fury and I, I just, from then on, I systematically kind of developed a system for myself based on the little things that I did know. Like we had done a couple workshops for. But I knew how to act and I knew the process of acting and I knew how, how to, how to approach script and I knew how to approach character. But it's much different in theater when you have three weeks to flush all that out, right? And someone tells you you have one night, they would give to you the night before. And so I developed the system for myself to be able to do it efficiently, effectively and flawlessly for the camera. Do you know what I mean? So I was like, I knew where everything was and so I became very, very good at initially fulfillment, television, and I will arguably say, way ahead of most people at that time. [00:30:35] Speaker C: Wow. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Just technically knowing how to do it, because I'm so pig headed, man, I was never gonna look, I'm never gonna look like an idiot again in front of that camera. And there's a magic when you decide, I will never look like an idiot again. And I mean, not like I'll take chances and maybe look like an idiot because it's funny and that's my choice, but I will never look like Somebody who's bad again. And once you give yourself that freedom, you'll do anything going good. And what I mean by that is I, I would, I broke rules that you were not supposed to break. I would move the reader if they weren't in the right place in the room. I would cut dialogue, I would change dialogue, I would rewrite shit. I would come in and hand them the sides that they were going to read because I had edited them. Because I was like, I would rather you think I'm an. That you think I'm a bad actor. [00:31:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:31:29] Speaker A: And I didn't do it as an. [00:31:31] Speaker C: Right. [00:31:31] Speaker A: I would try to do it as gently and charismatically and charmingly as I could, but I would stand my ground going, no, if you stand there, that's like, look, look, right now, if my readers here, what do you see? Your profit of my face, your profile? Back in the, like, early 2000s, you'd get, you'd get casting directors who stand right there. You can't see my face. Stand there. You stand there. The camera's here now. Now it looks like I'm talking to somebody, right? And then I would go, the next person's over there. So the camera catches me there. And I'm gonna see a plane going overhead. It's up there. You see the plane? [00:32:10] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:32:11] Speaker A: Shoot down. You see that? You know, so, and I, I, I learned to create a world. I realized too, it's like my job is to create a world outside of here so that you see, you don't have to see the other people. [00:32:21] Speaker C: Right. [00:32:22] Speaker A: I can tell you what that person's thinking. I can, I can tell you what, if that person's good looking or not. Right? [00:32:28] Speaker C: You definitely. [00:32:29] Speaker A: I can also tell you if she's looking at that Tucker. You can see that, right? Definitely, yeah. So I learned to do that. I learned, I learned to not rely on my reader because my reader might be a unemployed actor who's not very good or a casting director who's a failed actor. [00:32:48] Speaker C: Right? [00:32:49] Speaker A: And so I learned to go, I'm not, I'm not. If they're good, I'll take their choices. I'll run, I'll run with them. But I learned to never depend on them. So I decided what that act, what that line affected me as, as opposed to what that unemployed actor might have given me. That makes sense, right? I control everything. Ever. I was like a Nazi and, and I knew how to put it on tape really well. And I, I very early started, you know, I just got a little bit more jobs under my belt and moved the family out of town. So we were an hour out of town. But the problem is you're coming in for a dining room on a district with a two hour commute. And so I was also one of the first people to go, I'm not going to get to this. I'll tape it, I'll tape it. Because we were doing that, right? But I was like, you all know me, it's Vancouver, it's a small community, you've seen me before. Unless it's a producer, director, you don't need to see me. I've met you. I'll do a better taping on my own than you will in your studio because I can do takes and I can light it up. So I started being, you know, I started one of the first people to go, no, no, I'm gonna tape it on my own. You don't need me to tell you I was a young family father, right? So I was like gonna waste four hours of my day to come up for a five minute audition when you know me and I've done 20 of these roles. This is number 21. If you don't know me by now, come on, guys. [00:34:10] Speaker C: So one of your interviews, you talked a little bit about how you. Hollywood's so forgetful. Like you would go in and you'd be clean shaven, but they couldn't see you as playing a bad guy even though you'd played a billion bad guys or you got. [00:34:26] Speaker A: My first years, my first 10 years I played villains. I came in, I mean, when I graduated Studio 58, I was fit because I was playing a role that was very fit. But the truth is as soon as I started working in the film industry, you know, typical kid from the orphanage and how many years do. My first job was X Files and I come home and my wife. How was it? I'm like, the food was amazing. I'm not even talking about being on one of the hottest shows in the country at the time. I'm talking about the steak that they serve at catering. You know, like typical pork here is like all the food. I probably, I worked right out the gate, like I was really busy and I put on £25 I think in six months, you know, and the thing is I get fat and it would stop working and just change the roles. Yeah. And yeah, I played bad guys and thugs and, you know, drug dealers and, and bikers and bouncers and stuff and orderly. I played a lot of stuff. I was young and I played some military, you know, I Played a lot of stuff and then I got fat, but I still played kind of versions of that. And then. Oh, because I put on 35 pounds for X Men 2. And my wife was pregnant with her second child at the time. So it all worked out real well because we were all eating like for four or five people at that point. And I put on a bunch of weight. And then I picked out a 265 for X Men, Mitchell Oriole. And you can see it when you look at me. And then I got another job where they're like, don't lose weight. We like this guy fat. And I was like, no, no problem. [00:36:07] Speaker C: And. [00:36:10] Speaker A: The poor kids, like. And I kept it for about four years and I kept working. And then I got a role in Mark Bingham in Flight 93. And the director, tentatively, I'm kind of asked me to lose a few pounds. You maybe drop five pounds or so because I was too heavy for the kid. But it's a real character, like a real life person. [00:36:33] Speaker C: Right. [00:36:34] Speaker A: So I only got the audition the night before, so I didn't have the time to do all the research. But when I started looking at the research, I was like, Mark baggy was like 64 through 20. I'm like 5 11. I'm just under 6 foot, 245. So I started. So I lost three weeks. I lost 15 pounds. Wow, real weight too. And then I lost. During the next three weeks of shooting, I lost another 10 pounds. And then I was kind of close enough to the weight. I was getting closer to the weight I should have been. I think now it's down to probably 220th, 215 that I just, I was like. And now I was in the habit of working out again and eating right. So I dropped the rest of the way back down to my healthy width of like 195ish. So I went from. In a very short period of time, I went from like being 265, 250. As soon as I stopped doing the eating from X2, I lost 10 pounds. So I went from 265 to bed. So 250, you know, around there, hung around there for a while. And then when I got told to lose the weight, I was out of, you know, a very small period of time without a 195. I was going back at fighting weights, so to speak, and, and kept it and then started getting leading minerals. And then I did that for a bunch of years and I think I got lazy and put some weight on again. They were starting to change again. But. But yeah, when I was spit doing these leading men roles and I'd see auditions coming, I'm like, that rule sucks. It's just the classic good looking guy. But this rule though is a good one. The bad guy. Oh, we don't really see you as the bad guy. I'm like, where the did you. Have you looked at my resume? Have you? I've played five good looking guys and 50 murderers. Yeah. Very, you know, short memory Hollywood. [00:38:27] Speaker C: That I thought when I heard that little snippet of that interview, I thought that was great. I'm like, really? How can you. I mean, they just don't have. [00:38:38] Speaker A: I have, I have these great pictures. If you could find them, you should post them. I have a picture of me at the TSAs for Men and trees. [00:38:48] Speaker C: Okay. [00:38:49] Speaker A: And I think I'm talking, I'm doing an interview and I'm talking. And, and I, I mean I, you know, we all go look back at ourselves in our early, early 30s ago. I go, that kid's handsome. Yeah. It's only four years after there's a picture of me doing the ranch. A show that was on Showtime where I am like, like a giant doughboy kid. It's you will blow. It'll blow your mind warriors difference. It'll blow your mind. It's so funny. I might have them. I wouldn't even send them to you. I'm just looking to see if it pops right up. Oh my God. So good. Oh, wow. [00:39:38] Speaker B: Wow. [00:39:42] Speaker A: Look at. I can barely open my eyes. [00:39:45] Speaker C: I barely recognize you on that. [00:39:47] Speaker A: I know. And then so I put a bunch of weight for X Men 2. Right. And I have that picture handed to you, I think somewhere. Just, just so you have a reference before I Show the next 1x1 2 is. Yeah. So this was the same period of time. [00:40:12] Speaker B: A little. [00:40:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:13] Speaker B: There you go. [00:40:14] Speaker A: Oh, right. [00:40:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:16] Speaker A: Okay. Now this is. I think I have it here actually. I can just google this one because it always pops up. So I met Rebecca Ramin. Okay. She was the woman who injects Mitchell orioles and stuff. Do you remember her? She was myspeak movie X. So I met her this movie obviously, and back in the day. And then I met her like three, four years later at the TSAs. And I said to her, I'm like, I, I told you I put weight onto the roll. That's because, because I was giant. Makes me laugh. I literally 70 pounds lighter when I, I went, hey, it's titles with Mitchell Orient. Oh my God. [00:41:08] Speaker C: Wow. You look like you reversed age too, isn't it? [00:41:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:16] Speaker C: How that happens. [00:41:17] Speaker A: Crazy, right? Yeah, it's crazy. So funny. I just laugh, right? Like, people go, oh, yeah, you really, you're really good at showing. Oh, and because the funny thing is you do a role like X Men and it was a good role, despite the fact that I wasn't a superhero. It was a good role for a giant movie. I was like, you know, it's gonna be great because all the, all my friends and people, I used to go to high school and theater school. Wow, I really killed it with this great big role in the movie Boys really let us all go. [00:41:50] Speaker C: That's. [00:41:50] Speaker A: Anyways, I love showing the two pictures because they're so wildly different, you know, they are wild. Like, it's only, you know, it's only because somebody gave me a job and said, you need to be this way for one, that way for the other. [00:42:01] Speaker C: Right? [00:42:02] Speaker A: This is. This is me unemployed. [00:42:08] Speaker C: Well, you've had so many roles, like, different. Like you said, you've done so many different, like, characters. You've done everything other than you said, even a zombie. Right. But you've landed the leading man in Hallmark movies. Shannon Doherty was one of your co hosts. Oh, can't. Ah, shoot. D.J. tanner. Why can't I think of her name right now? Yes, you. You know, we're with her. [00:42:37] Speaker A: She was lovely. I had such a great time with her. I had a great time with Shannon too. You know, recipes Shannon. Yeah, she was. I know she had a bit of a reputation of being kind of sometimes a typical person to work with. We got along great. I gotta tell you right from the beginning, she's a smart ass, you know, And I heard that she was a World of Warcraft player. I was. Yeah. Shouted like day two. Like, I hear you play World of Warcraft. You got going on in your trailer. You play like. She's like, yeah, like, great, because I got my PlayStation. That means we don't need to talk. Talk to you later. And she. And she laughed and we fucking hit it off, you know, it's like, I get along with her great. And what a sad story, you know, her struggles with cancer. I just want to throw this out there because my husband's a SAG member. It's a travesty to anybody who's listening as part of SAG that you in the SAG union, you have to re up your health insurance every year, which means you have to work a certain amount. Some number of years ago, they decided that your residuals do not count of that Income. So what happens here is you have to be. They're saying you have to actively work a new project every year to qualify for health insurance. A certain amount. But let's say you're an ag actor, you're 50. The world slow down. Let's say you get a car accident, you don't work that year, you lose your health insurance in one fucking year. One year. [00:44:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:09] Speaker A: Chad Doherty was on what, three giant long running massive millions of dollar shows. How much money did this woman put into the SAG health care system? And she died without health insurance. Yeah, it's, it's, it is criminal. It is, it is criminal that they are doing that to their actors. And tell me, when do you need health care? When you retire? 65. When you stop working, you lose your health care is basically what they're saying from sag. Yeah, that is criminal. You put money. So even in Canada, I have universal health care. I don't need it, but my union has an extended health care plan for dental and blah, blah, blah. Right. If I make, if I make a certain amount of money, the producers match me. They put 10 grand in that year. Well, they only need 1500 for my health insurance because I have universal health. Eric. That rolls over I. Right now, currently I've taken out 50 grand because I will never use it. All right? I'm just taking the kitty out or I'm going to use that to pay my taxes because I will never use that. But it's there for me to roll over. So if I, if they did that mistakes somebody, that Chad Doherty would never have lost her health care. She paid into it. [00:45:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:45:23] Speaker A: And where does the money go? You earned it. They put that in on your behalf because of the money you earned. And now you, you get sick one year, you can't use it. [00:45:35] Speaker C: It's crazy. [00:45:36] Speaker A: You have one year healthcare, SAG members, talk to your people. This is not fair. Yeah, I drive me insane. [00:45:44] Speaker C: Well, not even just sag, just in the US in general. When Jeremy and I left the corporate world and started our own company, we looked into getting health insurance and it would have costed us, what was it? A thousand dollars a month. And that was with like a $20,000, $20,000 deductible that had to be met before they would cover anything. And it was 8020. So we would have been paying like 50, 60 thousand dollars a year to just have health insurance that didn't even cover anything until a certain point. [00:46:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:26] Speaker C: And so we went many years without having health insurance. It's insane. The U.S. definitely. Yeah. [00:46:35] Speaker A: That's a whole health insurance. While you're old, while you're young and good. Can work as soon as you're not able to work. No, no, we'd rather you just die quickly now. Stop draining the same system. Yeah, that's essentially what they're saying pretty much. Yeah. Stop trading the system. You can't work anymore. Your healthcare is gone. You're gonna go to the lower tier of Medicare. And I don't understand the whole. People say you still get Medicaid, but if you've paid for an insurance, a premium insurance your whole life and you've paid into it, you especially if you've never used it. [00:47:06] Speaker C: Right. [00:47:06] Speaker A: You know, like why would that, why would it ever go away? [00:47:11] Speaker C: Well, in her instance she was sick too, so couldn't work. So catch 22. [00:47:18] Speaker A: And luckily she, I mean she wasn't financially ruined by it because she was very wealthy. But it wouldn't take that long for even if you're a, a low level millionaire actor, which there's not many of people think about. Every actor's rich. Most of us are not. [00:47:32] Speaker C: Right. [00:47:34] Speaker A: How long does it take in the States to burn through a million dollars of medical? $2 million of medical. I'm a big MMA fan. Ben Askren, who is a, I think an Olympic caliber wrestler. I think he was nearly on the Olympic team. He's. He teaches college wrestling, teaches wrestling programs, was the one FC champion, fought in the ufc. Critical of health, never smoked a cigarette with his wife, got some kind of infection, screwed his lungs, needed a double while he's in prime like he's not even 40. I had to get a double lung transplant health insurance to recover it. [00:48:10] Speaker C: Wow, that's insane. [00:48:13] Speaker A: The non smoker, right. He's an active professional athlete that's retired and is clearly still the peak health. [00:48:21] Speaker C: Right. [00:48:22] Speaker A: And they would. How does that happen? You should be able to go. At least we find me all the money I've given you then. If you're not going to cover this, then I want the last 15, 20 years of insurance money back. [00:48:35] Speaker C: Right. Yeah. [00:48:38] Speaker A: Anyways, that's why. Nuts. [00:48:41] Speaker C: Yes. [00:48:41] Speaker A: Where does it go, Sag? Where's that money go? Yeah, they purposely did it. The original don't count anymore because somebody like Shannon Dory getting residuals, she could retire. The residual should have covered her health insurance. [00:48:53] Speaker C: Right. [00:48:54] Speaker A: For years. Her kids are probably covered. Should have been covered for years. But the amount of residuals you get. [00:49:00] Speaker C: Right. [00:49:01] Speaker A: That should cover because it's not a giant amount to make your health care but they would let it count residuals. [00:49:09] Speaker C: That. And that's crazy. [00:49:11] Speaker A: I don't know. You know. You know what it's called? Theft. [00:49:15] Speaker C: Yes. [00:49:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it's called theft. [00:49:17] Speaker C: Yes. That is the perfect you. [00:49:21] Speaker B: So is that a new thing from the 2020 strike or whatever? [00:49:28] Speaker A: No, I think it's been going on indefinitely. And you know what? When I pointed it out to DJ because he told. He told me how the system works, I was like, what are you talking about? Yeah, we don't even do that. I have universal health care. I don't run out of the extra. We put in the key words. And I was like, where's it going? What do you mean you don't know? The money's put in on your name because you earned that. It's based on how much you've earned from that production. They put in a certain amount for your healthcare. Like it's yours. [00:49:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:59] Speaker A: No. If you're not going to tell me you don't want your healthcare, just keep the money directly to me then. It's your money, right? [00:50:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:05] Speaker A: They put it in based on your income. You earned it. Why? And it's. It just goes away again. It's theft. [00:50:15] Speaker C: It is. [00:50:17] Speaker A: Wow. It's just crazy. It's crazy. And Gigi was like, I don't know why. I've never even thought about that. Now he's up in arms about it too. But ask yourself, why would they do that? Why would they just got residuals? Well, because they don't want an actor who's retired. Even if they've had a great career. They don't want them suck it on the tit of their stag insurance because they're no longer making big money. [00:50:42] Speaker C: They're not funding it anymore. [00:50:45] Speaker A: Yeah, we'd rather you just die. That would do us. You know, it'll be much more helpful. Better for the economy, better for the union. Remember, if you all just died. [00:50:56] Speaker C: Wow. [00:50:57] Speaker A: Well. And if there's people here who disagree with me, I welcome your argument as to what it is that they would stop using residuals. Counting towards your health care in the SAG union. If you have a good reason. Please. Where it's. [00:51:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I have. You made the fair suck. I can't even spit it out. It just. [00:51:19] Speaker B: So you're not a SAG member? [00:51:21] Speaker C: No, he's in Canada. [00:51:22] Speaker A: No, no. And I could. I could be, but not anymore. I'm sure they would find a reason. They don't. No, I'm. We are. We have reciprocal agreements with Canadian sag. [00:51:35] Speaker C: Un. [00:51:35] Speaker A: I just wasn't working on enough SAG projects to make it worth paying the money. Oh, to get in there. [00:51:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:44] Speaker A: And also, thank you. I have health insurance. [00:51:46] Speaker C: Right. I'm covered. So with all the roles that you've done over the years, like, you know, we touched on Shannon Doherty and Candice Bergen. [00:51:58] Speaker A: But this was lovely to you also, by the way. [00:52:01] Speaker C: Yes, I. Lovely. I've always kind of wondered about that because she has kind of a stigma too these days, because she kind of. [00:52:09] Speaker A: I know she's had some come out that wasn't nice. But, you know, I. I go, from what I saw, you know, there's so much of this people talking, well, did you see it with your own eyes? Did you hear with your own ears? Did you. Were you there? Personally, I like to go from that rule. [00:52:24] Speaker C: Right. [00:52:24] Speaker A: Because I've. I've been the victim of people going, I heard this. Well, half of it's true, but not from the angle you're seeing it, or you only know half that story, or you only, you know, she was lovely to me and I'm not religious and I understand that she's much more religious than I am and a lot of people and. But we got along great. And she was a good humor, a good team partner, you know. You know, it's so funny, actually, I'll tell kind of a sweet. I think it's a sweet story about her. We were waiting backstage and backstage to walk into the step because our character was answered and. And the sound guy tells a joke that's a bit off color. The sound guys with his little tractor, we're waiting to go in, and he makes a joke that's a bit off caller, off color. And she was a producer on a. I think it was a Lifetime movie or something. She said, excuse me, you're leading lady and producer is standing by right here. That's not appropriate. And I. I kind of mentioned that the director mentioned at the beginning of the show these things like very religious cool. But I didn't really. I don't talk it that well. Right, right. And me being these, like, the travel from here to here is way too short. And. And what he said was so benign. And I was like, we're like two weeks from shooter. Like I have. I've said much worse than it's you. I know, but you can get away with it. She was so sweet because, you know, you always kind of flirt with your leading lady, like to whatever extent people get along. Do you know what I mean? Joking. And we were supposed to be lovers, so there's you know, you try to, you want to get along if you can. [00:54:14] Speaker C: Right. [00:54:15] Speaker A: And I was just, I had a moment of panic going, oh, what have I been saying? And doing. If that's just got her to rile up like that. She's a no lady when she wants to be, you know what I mean? But she was fantastic. I don't know any of the controversy, so I, I don't need to hear. [00:54:35] Speaker C: So much the controversy. I was talking more of the religious. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:40] Speaker C: But yeah, because I know when she was on like Dancing with the Stars and stuff like that, she had kind of, you know, set boundaries and set a few things, and I don't know any of the controversies that she, they may, that she might be rumored to be in, but with her being a child star and getting to where she is to this day and making it through, you know, the claws of Hollywood, I think. Amazing. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, we don't remember that. She's like the whole Justin Bieber thing, like, relax with a kid. The teenager with $100 million. [00:55:17] Speaker C: Right. [00:55:17] Speaker A: Like the, the, the level of absurdity it is to have a kid, to have that much money. [00:55:22] Speaker C: Right. [00:55:22] Speaker A: To be unbridled. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I, I, I, I mean, I made my, I mean, and I'm not even a fraction of the scale of what kid that kid had. I'm not even a, a percentile of it. And I made stupid mistakes, you know, like contingency too, but hopefully not the same one again. You know, we have to understand that. Yeah. Like kid like Justin Bieber, of course, is gonna up. Yeah. Learn lessons. You know, people are, we're all human. We all up. [00:55:52] Speaker C: What? One of us didn't make a stupid mistake or stupid mistakes when we were teenagers and young adults. But the difference is, is we didn't have, we weren't in the limelight. We weren't. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we were from a generation where they weren't taking pictures of it. [00:56:07] Speaker C: That's true. Yeah, we, we grew up without social media, cell phones, none of that. We got away with all that. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. Thank God. I remember DJ, when I first met DJ13 or something like that, he was so interesting because he hit celebrity, says a large number said very young. [00:56:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:30] Speaker A: And right out of the gate, like big time out of the gate. And he said a bunch of things to me that always stuck with me. One of them was I suggested something like, oh, let's go here. And he's like, I can't do that. I'm a celebrity. And he said it not with, I can't do that. I'm a celebrity. He said it like, it'd be kind of like say, a guy back in the 50s going, I can't do that. I'm black. [00:56:52] Speaker C: Right? [00:56:52] Speaker A: You know, I mean, I can't go to that pool or that's on that fountain or whatever. I'm black. It was just fact. Because he was like, the fact is I can't go there because it won't say for me. It'll be. Or it's. It'll get into papers, you know, whatever the case may be. And I was so interested to hear that because we all. We always think of, like, it sounds. It could sound so arrogant. [00:57:18] Speaker C: Right? [00:57:19] Speaker A: But it simply wasn't. It just, it was. It's just, it was just an is, you know, the. The is. Is. I can't do that. I'm a celebrity. And that won't, you know, it's like, so, you know, you date the girls, you like to have sex in public. You're like, I can't do that because, yeah, my sex in public would be, you know, if I get caught sneaking in, the bush would be all over the papers. [00:57:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:43] Speaker A: You know, like a normal couple might get a little. But if a celebrity gets caught having sex in the forest, it's all over the papers. [00:57:52] Speaker C: Right. You know, I couldn't imagine having paparazzi following you around everywhere. Everywhere you go, you're being called out and not have, you know, sitting there eating dinner, going to take a bite of food. You got somebody walking up to you. [00:58:08] Speaker A: You know, walking into the 711 on mushrooms, giggling your ass off, and somebody take some pictures posted I've had happen. I'm like, I'm like, where? Do you know how hard it was for me to go into that 711 on mushrooms? I needed some snacks. And you taking pictures and posting it. [00:58:32] Speaker C: Y. [00:58:33] Speaker A: Right. So, you know, people don't think about that. [00:58:36] Speaker C: No. [00:58:36] Speaker A: You know, it's like I. The other thing he said too. And I think there's a lot of truth to this. And people, you know, people are always, oh, people change when they become celebrities. And like, people around you change first. [00:58:48] Speaker C: Right? [00:58:50] Speaker A: And it's really, really true. Like, the amount of times, like fans. I've even had family members going, oh, you want to go stay around? Probably not what you're used to. It's not the Ritz. And like, and like, I grew up in shitty, broken down, impoverished neighborhoods. [00:59:10] Speaker C: Right. [00:59:11] Speaker A: But you think as an actor that I'm not grateful that you've offered me Your bed in your room, you're a place to stay or your couch. I don't give a if you live in a trailer. [00:59:19] Speaker C: Right. [00:59:19] Speaker A: People do this assumption of like oh things I just. I'll tell you Heartbreak service a convention recently I met a great group of people awesome stayed a few extra days met some people a couple of I think going to be fighting for life and one of the group little on the outskirts and we'll get it to because I don't want to embarrass him his people personally but I invited I said to them you guys are all welcome to my house have extra rooms. As long as DJs not in town there's always extra space. Let me know. I love visitors. I love sharing my city and and then you know one of them was showing me the name kind of text me and basically not only he said oh I'd love to come visit and bring my girlfriend man. Anytime. Let me know if I'm here the places I got a spot for you. We all know hotels are the most expensive thing anywhere, right. And then he quickly went into going well I need to come this month because there's this guy playing musician he wants to see. That's good. Yeah the problem is I. I don't really have money like I said like you said you can stay here. No, I don't have money from tickets for the flight and then hit was when you buy me can you bankroll my entire trip? [01:00:42] Speaker C: No. [01:00:43] Speaker A: I met this guy once. [01:00:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Or two times over a weekend. I'm like how dare you? [01:00:50] Speaker C: And yeah. [01:00:51] Speaker A: And how hurtful that I'm thinking I'm making genuine connections with people and you're thinking you're gonna get a trip out of this. Yeah, well I don't have that money. I'm a Canadian actor. I've been divorced. That's my ex wife. [01:01:07] Speaker C: I can't. Gumption. [01:01:09] Speaker A: That's what it means by people changed around you first. [01:01:11] Speaker C: Yes. [01:01:12] Speaker A: You know like no, you wouldn't do that to And I don't say this seems like people like you know I don't never have drinks. I don't care that you're an actor. I mean I even. Sorry I'm. I don't even know what you've been on like okay, great. I. I don't know what you've done either. I don't need you for a living. Yeah. I just want your knowledge b your action. But yeah. Let me ask you when was the last time you told a carpenter I don't care that you're a carpenter. The fact that. The fact that you think you have to go out of your way and tell me that you don't care. [01:01:44] Speaker C: Right. [01:01:44] Speaker A: You've already made it clear that you somehow give a right. It's important to you that you know that I don't think that you think that I'm special. People around you change first, definitely. It's. It's crazy. And I've seen people treat DJ differently than me because he's a much more famous actor than I am. You know, they're like, hey, you know, you were really nice, but your buddy, he actually gets shocked about for moments. I'm like, he does. He does. He's also gay, and you're a woman. And you're like, so what do you think he owes you? He did the same thing that I did. Cheers. [01:02:21] Speaker C: Right. [01:02:21] Speaker A: But I'm okay with the way I said thank you. And he's not okay with the way he said thank you. He doesn't owe you his time. He doesn't have to suck your dick because you're. You bought him a drink, right? You know, like. But people think because I was a minor celebrity in comparison m, they just. They might automatically assume that he was being the rude one. And I. I was nice because off we did the exact same thing. That's all in your head, right? [01:02:47] Speaker C: He talks about a lot of that. Those kind of scenarios on his podcast as well. He talked about one situation where him and this guy were kind of going head. Started going kind of head to head because the guy was being so rude. And you stepped in and you were kind of diffused the situation, and you told him, you're like, you know, I'm here. If something ever escalates to that, you're there to help him. But let's not get it to escalate to that point. And he was like, I was dumb in that moment. I should have just, you know, turned a cheek or whatever. But when you have people coming at you from all directions at all times, sometimes you're gonna break. And that's just the human thing in you. [01:03:33] Speaker A: So, yeah, he gets such rudeness sometimes to people. People, you know, come on and come and go, ah, you know, I don't know who you are, but my. My daughter loves you. So can I get a picture? Oh, you know, that kind of. Oh, you know, what was that stupid movie you did? [01:03:53] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [01:03:54] Speaker A: And of course, we have a humor to go. You're gonna have to go deeper than that because I've done a lot of them, you know, Every actor, every actor can say that. But also the disadvantage too is that these days have gone under 45 pounds wet. Like some people think they can muscle him a little bit, right? Yes. And yeah, we have those debates, like, vice versa too. Right. Like, there's times. The whole thing about that night was when DJI came closer. I mean, it's, it's nice having a grizzly bear behind you. Let's be honest. It's empowers you. Yeah, I can tell. You go yourself and we have been in that discussion where it was a little bit like, of course I got you. You do have a grizzly bear behind you. But is that fair to me or is that fair to them? And is that the best we can do in this situation? [01:04:49] Speaker C: Right. [01:04:50] Speaker A: But he turns it on me too. Like, was at the same bar, actually, maybe we should stay away from that bar. [01:04:57] Speaker C: I was gonna say maybe go to the bar. [01:05:00] Speaker A: And there was, there was a woman who came in and she was pretty bombastic and pretty, like larger than life. And in a way that, that I'm like, it's cool, but it's also with a lot of masculine energy in a sense of like, if you were a man, I would probably react to your level of like, you know what I mean? [01:05:19] Speaker C: Right. [01:05:20] Speaker A: So it's just always a bit shocking when somebody does that. Like, it's almost like if a guy comes in like that and he's tiny, automatically assume he's got a gun or something because you know, what the is that about? [01:05:28] Speaker C: Right? [01:05:29] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Because it's offensive a little, you know, like it's elbows up kind of thing. Anyway, she sat down and she started kind of being, you know, quippy, wanted to share wits a little bit, so I did too. And you know, started off a little bit kind of like, you know, entertaining and, and then starting to get a little sour between us just a little bit. And I, because I'm 50 now and I'm a grown ass man, I go, hey, you know, we're both through this little chippy, chippy battle of the wits thing and you know, we've both been drinking. It's gonna go, it's gonna go sideways. Can we just. Let's, let's agree to stop again. Start again. My name's Ty, you know, and I really tried to use it as a disarming. Like, no, it was really up to that point, no harm done. But I was like, let's, let's just start this again and not continue this game because it's probably gonna get A little. And she just fucking doubled down. [01:06:24] Speaker C: What? [01:06:25] Speaker A: And I was like, oh, okay. Obviously, you're just a me. And I use that word that Jim Jeffries really likes. Yeah. You know, the Australian ones. I love it. [01:06:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:06:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:40] Speaker C: You know, I'm pretty sure I do. Yeah. [01:06:43] Speaker A: That the North Americans don't like so much. [01:06:48] Speaker C: See you next Tuesday. Is that. [01:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah, see you next Tuesday. And when I told CJ this, he was really disappointed in me that I'd used that word. And I was like, I get that it's not my best. I wish I was more clever. But also, I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry. But we had a real long discussion about it. And at the end of the day, we agreed to disagree because. And I love him for this, and I love this about our relationship. We call each other out. Right. We try to make each other better. And he's not wrong for calling me out at all. I still disagree a little bit because the example is it's like, sometimes it is good to go and release the grizzly bear behind you. Right. You know what I mean? Sometimes it's like, yep, excuse me, dj, I've got this. And sometimes, yeah, I'll see you next Tuesday. Is exactly what I should say to that lady. [01:07:54] Speaker C: Right. [01:07:55] Speaker A: Because I was really went out of my way to be as. That's the thing. Do all the things you can do to be proper, appropriate and diffuse the situation, man. Sometimes people need to be. Sometimes a guy needs a fucking slap in the head. Smart note. [01:08:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:12] Speaker A: And sometimes a lady who is not a lady should come around. Excuse me. [01:08:20] Speaker C: I get myself in situations sometimes because I have a hard time watching people berate or bully people. And so then my filter turns off. And I was at Goodwill one day, and this woman. I was at the checkout, this woman was completely de. [01:08:42] Speaker A: Scre. [01:08:42] Speaker C: Screaming and yelling at this cashier. She was new. She didn't know what she was doing. It was probably for a $2 item, you know, it was like, come on. And she kept screaming and screaming at her, calling her stupid, incompetent, all this stuff. And then this other woman comes up and she's doing the same thing to her. I just keep looking and I'm like, don't do it. Don't do it. [01:09:08] Speaker A: You know? [01:09:09] Speaker C: And all of a sudden, the cashier, my cashier was like, have a great day. And I turned and looked, and very loudly, I said, I would have a wonderful day if people would learn to respect other people and learned when to shut their pie holes. And she looked at Me. And she's like, are you talking to me? And I'm like, yeah, I am. And I'm like, does it make you feel like such a better person for putting these people down? And, you know, I just went on and on and on and I was just like. She kept coming at me and I'm like, you know, you're not even worth my breath. And I turned and walked away. And as I walked away, all these people in line started clapping and cheering. And I was like, oh. Then I apologized to my friend for making a scene that was with us. You know, I was like, sorry. She's like, no, you were right in that. But I can't stand when people do that. [01:10:07] Speaker A: It's real tough for me because I grew up with a very, I grew up in a, around a lot of violence. I did very bad temper. And I, and I, I watch my mother get abused, viciously abused for years and years of years. So I have a, a real problem with bullies as well. And every, I think every significant scrap I ever got into is beating up a bully, right? So I have a real hard time with it. And, and, and it doesn't matter the gender. I work women. But I still like. Well, I don't like when a woman thinks she can bully a man. You know, like or, or anybody thinks they can bully somebody. I hate that. A very similar story a few blocks from here. There used to be a, a family owned Asian little convenience store market and they also had a flower shop in it. And it was clearly family owned. It was kind of that cool like a little bit everything kind of store. And I was in there the day before Valentine's Day. I was buying a couple bouquets. I think it was for, I think it was buy two for my daughters and one for a lady I was dating. And I had one up. I picked the bouquets out of the thing and I went and paid for it. And since there puts a wrap and she said, yeah, back to the store. There's a table. There was a short line of people getting their thing wrapped. And I guess you could also get a bouquet made if you wanted, right? As opposed to grabbing something. So I'm in line and the guy is a guy, a woman or guy. And there's size but, But I'm gonna tell the truth about how I feel about this. He wasn't that big. He's a small kind of old guy. And he's talking to her like he's doing that like her English is fine, but he's like loud talking to her. Like, she's stupid. [01:11:49] Speaker C: Yeah, kind of. [01:11:50] Speaker A: Oh, you gotta pay. No, I want more than that. Look, you gotta put the. You know, like, really? And I'm listening. I'm listening. It was like, hey, everybody, if you don't know what it is you want to purchase yet, maybe you should step aside and just think about your purchase. Because he hadn't bought it yet. He hadn't made the bouquet, right? I'm like, maybe you should just think about what your budget is or whatever, so we can just get our. She's like. And he talks to me, goes, would you pay 120 for bouquet? And I went, the day before Valentine's Day for someone I love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would. It's the day before, and you're in a little tiny market, dude. [01:12:30] Speaker C: Right? [01:12:30] Speaker A: It is what it is. And you half a foot shorter than I am. And I don't normally. I Normally I should have done better. This is how I should have done better day. But I'm also in my head, like, holding this. Who came flowers behind, going in what timeline? What bizarre reality? Do you think you can talk to me like that? I'm a tycoon. No black belts. And it was. And I hooped him so hard, he would. Eight feet into the wall without thinking. I just. Now, not a kick that's meant to really hurts. More of a. It's called. They call it also a teep kick. It was like a straight kick. And I just launched him into the wall eight feet. And I went. But I. But here's the problem with growing up and maturing. I immediately went, oh, time I turn around, I turn around and walk out. And I'm walking down this. I'm like, I don't need it wrapped. I've already paid for it, believe me. And he starts chasing me on his phone. And the problem is with this again, this little tiny man going, listen, I should have done that, but you're being an asshole. Let's just call a spade a spade here. All right? Let's fucking call her. I lost my temper. I shouldn't have done that. You're not hurt. I was an idiot. It makes me look stupid. But you were being fucking rude. Let's leave it at that. No, no, no, no. You want to stand a thousand dollars? Thousand dollars or else I'm gonna sue your ass. And I just looked at him, and I looked at the dumpster in the alley that was sitting right there. I looked at him and I looked at the dumpster and I. And I. And I'm like, shut your mouth. And I walked away. And I think he saw the dumpster because I was like, your next trip is going to be there and you're not going to remember your own name, let alone your mom's name or whoever the you're buying flowers for. But my point is like, we're in this world where like people are just, we've lost all accountability for it. People are behind keyboards and saying that's vile. [01:14:40] Speaker C: And how do you guys deal with those trolls like that? [01:14:44] Speaker A: Oh yeah, like, and people think I I chastise my friends. Like, I don't like, I don't like, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I feel like I'm a man's man. But if I have but it's going on that horror. Hey, hey. We don't do that enough unless you're telling her she's a good girl. We don't use that word unless you, you know, do your sexy compliments or somebody. You know, because men have been calling women whores and sluts for years for doing we like. And I hate that. [01:15:15] Speaker C: Right. [01:15:16] Speaker A: You know, and also if I have a girlfriend, it's like immediately wants to talk about our ex boyfriend's dick was small. What are you doing? That's the same kind of. The same kind of. We never used to do that stuff. [01:15:28] Speaker C: Right. [01:15:29] Speaker A: You never used to have that slanderous, vile thing where I believe an not a bad thing with slapping an in the head once in a while. That's how we used to remind them. If there's a hierarchy to the world, you can't go around calling people. [01:15:43] Speaker C: Right. [01:15:43] Speaker A: Problem with hockey when you got rid of the enforcers. Right. And I'm not a giant Jordan Peterson fan, but he has this great line where he talks about it used to be society where the, the strange strong leader men that were for lack of a better word, like the strong alpha males in society used to be what kept the psycho, the psychotic males in check. We don't, we don't allow that to happen anymore. I don't know the answer to this, but you know what I mean? We don't allow that to happen because somebody needs to tell those people at the cash that you listen to what the are you doing? Stop talking like that. [01:16:22] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:23] Speaker A: You can't do that. Somebody needed to boot this guy into the wall. [01:16:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:27] Speaker A: Because clearly he thinks they can go around bullying people. Yeah. And talk like me that to go himself when I'm trying to talk reason to him. [01:16:37] Speaker C: Right. [01:16:37] Speaker A: Can't do that. You just can't do that I'm not that guy now. I walk away in a lot of situations, but that one, like, I just. We've gotten the same. I. I'm not been Trump fan. I'm g. I leave it at that. I'm Canadian, so I'm Be polite about this. My politics. But I don't. I don't blame his actions. Not his appearance. Blame his actions, not his penicize. Blame his actions, not his weight. Like, you know, that shit's so. It's so disgusting. [01:17:08] Speaker C: Right. [01:17:09] Speaker A: You know, I just don't. I. I don't know why I got off of that race. But we're on this world, right, where it's like bullies and everybody's a bully now. Everybody thinks they're. They can stay or do anything. Paparazzi getting into people's faces and like, And. And people hitting each other or calling each other nasty or getting online or making up lies. It should be illegal to make a statement that somebody's dead. [01:17:38] Speaker C: Yes. [01:17:39] Speaker A: It causes people pain. [01:17:42] Speaker C: Yes. [01:17:42] Speaker A: I mean, like, let's. Let's be honest. You will you open a page or maybe your best friend, who happens to be somebody of note like that Mike, and you tell your reason. They're dead. Oh, right. [01:17:54] Speaker B: Or they're. [01:17:55] Speaker A: Was that legal that we could do that to people? [01:17:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:58] Speaker A: You can't say that. [01:17:59] Speaker C: No. [01:18:00] Speaker A: You can't make up. That's so. I don't. Like, we've got to figure out how to rearrange. Like, I don't know, man. We just can't do that to people anymore. [01:18:10] Speaker C: It's a different world. It's a really different world. I mean, as much as I love social media and stuff for being able to promote our podcast and to hear other people's podcasts, and you kind of get an insight on your, you know, the people that you follow and the people that you, you know, celebrities and stuff, you get to see a little bit of the backside of their life where you didn't get to see that in our day. And, you know, in our era, growing up. [01:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:39] Speaker C: It turned into a. Just. I mean, there's sometimes I'm just like, God, you just scroll and it's like you don't even see your friends anymore. All you see is things that don't relate to you. [01:18:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:51] Speaker C: I'll mention something to Jeremy and then my phone is inundated with it. It's like, I'll mention some kind of new product or something, and it's like, that's all I see for five pages or whatever. [01:19:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:05] Speaker C: It's it's crazy. [01:19:07] Speaker A: I wish we would go back to that kind of attitude. You didn't see with your own eyes here, with your own ears or were in the presence of it. Then don't talk about it. [01:19:17] Speaker C: Right. [01:19:17] Speaker A: It's none of your business. And you weren't there. [01:19:20] Speaker C: Right. [01:19:20] Speaker A: You don't know. And like every. There's a. There's always two sides of the truth. Right. Same thing people like, is it kind. Is it true? Is it necessary the that people say. Right, right. Like we're all so quick to go. Did you hear about something, you know, maddening? I don't want to hear that your girlfriend has an std. It's none of my business. It's none of my business. It's none of your business to tell me. [01:19:50] Speaker C: Right. [01:19:50] Speaker A: And it's not necessary unless I'm planning to have sex with her and you're warning me as a favor. Right. That's the only time you talk about another person's std. [01:20:01] Speaker C: Right? Yeah. [01:20:03] Speaker A: I just hate that. I think it's so low brow. It's so uncivil. Yeah. Why would I need to know that unless I'm going to have sex with that person? You do people want to ask you about your sexuality. Are you planning to me? Because otherwise you don't need to know. Know. You know people. I'm marrying a man. So everybody assumes. Oh, you must have been cheating on your ex wives this whole time. Your business. But no, that's not the case at all. You know nothing about me. You know what? None of your business. [01:20:37] Speaker C: Love is love. [01:20:38] Speaker A: Your business. [01:20:38] Speaker C: It doesn't. [01:20:39] Speaker A: And I love. I love that people make this choice that I've been unfaithful to the people that I was married to. [01:20:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:45] Speaker A: There's a lot of options to go before that one. [01:20:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:48] Speaker A: You know what I mean? You know I'm thinking the fact that people go to the most negative possibility. I've been lying to my family the whole time. [01:20:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:58] Speaker A: There's a lot of options in there before that one comes up. [01:21:01] Speaker C: Right. [01:21:01] Speaker A: You know, love is love. And, and I refuse to correct. I don't give a what people think. I refuse to correct them. Other than that one thing. It bothers me that you see online people thinking that they each other from long time so clearly. [01:21:14] Speaker C: Right. Well that's part of the reason I had mentioned to you earlier that my son lives in Colombia and he didn't come out what about 5 years ago he came out that he was gay and he. It was when he moved to Columbia and it's like a. To. It's more accepting there, and it's more in their culture, or not in the culture, but it's just more prevalent around there. [01:21:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. And. [01:21:43] Speaker C: But it took him moving there and having seen a whole new world of it, and how he came out is he called me and he's like, hey, mom, my boyfriend's gonna be moving in. And I'm like, boyfriend? Like, I say girlfriend or boyfriend? Boy. Boyfriend. Boyfriend. Okay, good. You know, And I'm like, and you. I said, you realize you could have talked to me about this a long time ago, right? Because I always kind of had my thoughts. And he's like, well, I just. I didn't really know myself yet. And I'm like, well, I'm glad you. You know, you do you and you happy. That's all I care. [01:22:26] Speaker A: So if you know what, in a funny way, also, do we want to go to a place where we. Nobody has to talk to anybody about it, where it's so benign, where we go, oh, cool, cool. And we don't even think about it. Oh, you're a sexual being. Yeah. I expected that. [01:22:39] Speaker C: Right? [01:22:40] Speaker A: Like. Like, we. Ideally, we want to get to a place where we're not. Like, I've done the same thing. I. I've had friends where I'm like, I want you to know that it's safe to come out to. You'd like to assume someday that everybody. We'd like to get to place in the world where every. It's not there. I know. But where everybody just feels safe and we stop making it part of the. A part of a conversation piece. Yeah. Our sex, like, other than, like, it doesn't need to be a thing. You like Nikes? Okay, good. Okay. I'm gonna do this guy, Right? [01:23:11] Speaker C: Yeah. It just. It should just be, you know, it. It is what it is. It's not. It shouldn't be a. Oh, my gosh. Or, you know, this is how I need to feel. Feel, or I can't feel like I come out and talk about it. It should just be even keel across the board. It's. Love is love. That's all it is. [01:23:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Love is love. And quite frankly, you know, you have to be insane to want to be in a marriage with me and DJ Snow. Right. Kind of insane. He's. He's the first relationship that I've had that. And he said. And he says it. I know he means it. And see, I don't want to change a thing about you. [01:23:50] Speaker C: I'm like, I want to be A fly on the wall listening to some of your conversations. I just, I think the, the personalities that you guys have and the stuff that you brought up, I think it would just, I mean, your conversations just have to be amazing. [01:24:10] Speaker A: They really are. They really are. We have, we talk about a lot, lot of. And like I said, we hold each other accountable. And he is, he's so generous to me too because I probably more teasingly raz things about him that he does with me. He's so protective of me. He says nothing bad, like nothing. And once in a while I'm like, you should probably throw something. [01:24:34] Speaker C: We're out. [01:24:35] Speaker A: I will like teasingly say DJ is a. For two hours every morning and I don't talk to him. You know, like, I don't talk to him for two hours. He's completely antisocial. He's not nice to be around. [01:24:49] Speaker C: That. [01:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah. But I've never, I've never heard DJ say a single, even jokingly bad thing about me. He's so, he's so lovely and supportive and, and awesome and I, I mean, and I obviously I went a little hardcore on that. But I mean, DJ in the morning is miserable. Miserable. [01:25:12] Speaker C: I have a non morning husband as well. [01:25:16] Speaker A: I'm not. I usually just. I wake up and I'm pretty learning to go. It's rock and roll. [01:25:22] Speaker C: I'm all married. [01:25:23] Speaker A: Give me about 10 minutes. I'll smoke a cigarette. I'll just. Coffee use blue and ready to go. But DJ is generally just so. And I guess maybe it's because he feels he's protective in that way. You know what I mean? [01:25:38] Speaker C: Right. [01:25:38] Speaker A: I think he knows that I've been misunderstood a lot in my life because I'm big and bombastic and people don't know that I'm actually a big teddy bear crybaby. And so I think he's really protective of me that way. Everything he wants. Yeah. From another human being. So even I feel bad even when I'm jokingly trying to talk, which I don't do really often, but because he doesn't, he doesn't say a word about me. And he's just, he's, he's so protective that way. We had a night where we were partying and I was, I was like stuttery, stammering drunk. You know, you're like. And we were playing some game and I was like. And he was so cute. I think he thought that somebody was teasing me about being somewhat incoherent. And he stood up and said, you leave him alone. It was the sweetest thing that anybody ever done for me. And I was like, I was like, oh, I didn't realize I was being that handicapped. But yeah, I think I am. But also how sweet of you. You leave them alone. It was so good. Like, like the little tiny bear behind the grizzly. [01:27:16] Speaker C: Make yourself really big. Really big. [01:27:19] Speaker A: So he's so protective of me and so support him. So loving and he never, I don't I've ever heard him say anything bad about me to anybody. Not even jokingly bad. You know what I mean? I'm like, I mean I, I, I will tease of things like, I like, I'll do things like say, like, I don't know if you noticed, but DJ likes to chat, he likes to talk. And you know what he said? He goes, yeah, but I think I remember you telling me. And it's true. He goes, I remember you telling me. You're like, I like it when you talk. It means I don't have to. That's true too. But even in that he turned me kind of gentle chirp to him about going. Remember how you told me that you like it? Because then you know, because I don't. I'm not really a good casual talker. I'm much more like if I'm, if I want to talk with Tilly like right now, I'm not, I'm like, I'm not really, I'm not interested. I don't want to. And I'll give you very clear messages that I'm not interested in talking. But anyways, I don't know where I lost with that. You got me on a rambling. You got me on a rambling day. Fourth day of sober September. Woo. [01:28:35] Speaker C: Well, one thing that we better make sure that we cover, otherwise I'm sure we'll have some pretty up set people. [01:28:42] Speaker A: Oh, is this a work thing? Is talk about work in my career and all that stuff? [01:28:48] Speaker C: A little bit. Just a little bit. This is, you know, the, you kind of came into the whole Supernatural fandom and that, that fandom has blown me out of the water. How crazy everybody is. I mean I, I am a huge Supernatural fan as well. And I apologize because we, how we initially got in contact with you is I contacted you about doing a cameo and I'm a Benny fan. [01:29:22] Speaker A: Huge. [01:29:23] Speaker C: And after going through and doing the research and stuff for, you know, for the podcast today, I learned that I, I am one of the problem people that, hey, can you do Benny for us or can you do art for us? So I apologize, I didn't even think of that. [01:29:44] Speaker A: No, no. You know, you don't need to apologize. And it doesn't bother me that people would make that request. I wish they didn't because it's hard for me to try to explain why. Yeah. So I. I'll. I'll. I'll fill in the story, if I may. [01:29:57] Speaker C: Yes. [01:29:57] Speaker A: You sent me a cameo asking for the Betty Boys and a shout out for your podcast. [01:30:02] Speaker C: Yes. [01:30:03] Speaker A: And I said to you, I don't really do the voice anymore when I. If I can avoid it, because a couple things. It's real dangerous to get into a feeling like a dancing monkey. [01:30:11] Speaker C: Yes. [01:30:11] Speaker A: People can ask you to, hey, sing that song for me, you know, or, like, say that catchphrase, you know, so it's a very dangerous territory to get caught into that because it can make you jaded. And also, it's not a good feeling. [01:30:26] Speaker C: No. And also not even think of that until I heard you talking about it. And I'm like, oh, what an I am? [01:30:34] Speaker A: No. And forgive yourself. But. But also, there's also the other thing was like, hey, you know, that day when I created that character, I got paid a lot of money. You bought a cameo off me for $40. [01:30:50] Speaker C: Right. [01:30:52] Speaker A: There's a difference between I'm being creative and I'm applying my very elite level of skill set. [01:30:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:31:00] Speaker A: Something for money as a different contract. Yeah. [01:31:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:04] Speaker A: And people forget that too. It's like, no, no, no. It's like, you don't go to a carpet and go, hey, could you build me a pergola? [01:31:13] Speaker C: So it was a good eye opener for me because I never thought about it in that. In that way. And so that was a good learning moment for me as well. And I was like, wait, that's. And that was around the time, like, when we were. I don't know if that was on the podcast then, since we were recording, talking about. But learning was dealing and interviewing several celebrities. Now it's like you. You put celebrities on this unhuman plateau type thing, and everyone is human. Everybody broke, breathe and brushes their teeth. And, you know, so the last thing. [01:31:49] Speaker A: About that, too, that I. That I hope listeners will understand too, is also, I take a lot of pride in that character. And. But I haven't prepped him for work readiness in 12 years. [01:32:00] Speaker C: Right. [01:32:01] Speaker A: So I don't. The accent's not exactly right anymore. Like the, you know, and I. I also didn't. I don't write the lines, so those aren't right. And like, I. I do a dishonor to that character, the more I do it slapsticky and the more I don't. I don't want him to ever become this, this gimmick that is like. It bothers me that I don't do the accent bang on because I would practice and prepare it for set. Yeah. And so I don't want to do that. I don't want to do him half ass and I don't want to. Makes me feel gross. Like he feels so good in my heart, if I start doing him and starts and feel shitty. That's not a good food. Why would it do that? [01:32:40] Speaker C: Well, and I heard you say before too, that they wrote Benny's line so well that it was almost like you didn't even have to learn the accent. It just kind of flowed with. They wrote it and it kind of came out. [01:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:32:57] Speaker C: And so if you have a. In front of you of, you know what they prepared skilled writers. [01:33:03] Speaker A: And if I prepped it, I'm. I could do improv. But again, we're now talking about me being on set and we're talking. It's a whole different thing. [01:33:11] Speaker C: Right. [01:33:11] Speaker A: You know, I've been practicing it, I've been prepped, ready. I have scripted guidelines. Yes, I could improv in that. But this is, you know, you wouldn't ask, you know, da Vinci to go, hey, could you whip me up Mona Lisa? It's just give me the 5 minute version. I don't care. Just give me like a sketching on a napkin. [01:33:30] Speaker C: Right. [01:33:30] Speaker A: And I'm not comparing my work to him, but we would never do that to anything else. [01:33:34] Speaker C: Right. [01:33:35] Speaker A: So. [01:33:36] Speaker C: Well, and with Supernatural, you also played two vampires. You were higher in the earlier seasons. And then my favorite, of course, Benny. But both roles were kind of. You were like a vegan vampire type. [01:33:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Area vegan version. Yeah, it's season two, Eli. Yeah, yeah. It would have been cool to try to maybe patch those together. The problem is I thought they were characters. I know it probably would take a little bit more. More thought, but I think they could have if they. I don't know how, but the problem is they would have recognized me but like, maybe could have done this somehow. It might have been cool to have a recurring character from so long ago. And then it could have just been that Betty's accent was his real accent and the other one was his fake accent. They were all still hiding, right? Yeah. But yeah, it's cool. I actually had the rare opportunity to play. I think the last time I counted was seven shows where I played two different characters. [01:34:45] Speaker C: Wow. [01:34:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:47] Speaker C: Wow. I know. There's one I want to mention as well, but we'll get to that probably after doing the little Supernatural. Jeremy is a huge Smallville fan. [01:34:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. [01:35:00] Speaker C: So we'll. We'll get to that one in a second here. But with Supernatural and playing Benny, which. Yours and Dean's chemistry romance, it's. You guys just have such great chemistry and, you know, the. The pull of the good and the evil and stuff in Purgatory and. But what I love is I've watched some videos and stuff of you guys at cons and stuff, and it plays out in real life too. And I. Do you guys. Do you get to get much opportunity to get together other outside of cons? [01:35:39] Speaker A: We really don't. And I think there's part of us both that wish that wasn't true. But life is so busy. He's got young kids. Right. And he's super busy. And we live in different. Very different cities. We live in different countries. And, you know, also he's got. He's got a lot of friends to maintain. [01:35:59] Speaker C: Right. [01:36:00] Speaker A: You know, and there's a truth to that. When we have friends, you have to maintain that friendship. And. And I think there's a part of us that both wish we could. That it was easier, that we could have a. Have a closer connection. It's just a little bit kind of unfeasible. I don't want to say unfeasible. Natural course of location and busyness and things. It just isn't a natural progression because we live so far away. He's got a young family. We're both super busy. We, you know, it's just. It would take a colossal effort. I think we could be really great friends if we live in the same sphere or we're working together. Yeah. Because we get along really well. [01:36:43] Speaker C: Right. [01:36:44] Speaker A: And I just think it's just Fates has always been like. And you have to invest in the people that you can. So I don't blame him. [01:36:52] Speaker C: Right. [01:36:53] Speaker A: You know, and I'm certain he doesn't blame me. I think it's just one of those things where. Wouldn't it be nice if our. Our atmospheres were a little closer together? I'd like to think that that that's the truth because he's super. He says the nicest things about me. I can't. I get the messages, you know? Yeah. I think one of the last times I saw. I had seen raises that. And one of the last times I talked to, I was like, that's why, you know, I Get the messages. I hear when you say kind about me on a comedy on or if somebody passes on your well wishes. And it means a lot to me. So. Yes. Yeah. So if you're hearing this, just. Hello. Love you, brother. Someday. Someday, man. [01:37:35] Speaker C: Yeah, we love you. [01:37:38] Speaker A: I'm sure he's gonna listen to this. [01:37:40] Speaker C: Oh, totally, Absolutely. [01:37:44] Speaker A: Here's the thing. You know what happens? I. I get the messages from people who are like, did you hear what Chance it said at the Philadelphia Con? He said that, you know, so I get those messages. So any listeners pass the message on, love you, love you, brother. And the day will come where we get to re. Re at rekindle and hangouts. And I know there's lots going on for both of us and it's just life. That's the way it is. So. And it's nothing about our industry is. That's very common. You do shows with people, you bond like crazy and, and you get along and. But then, you know, the show's over. [01:38:22] Speaker C: Right. [01:38:22] Speaker A: You go back to your family or you're off to another city or you're. It's hard. Maintaining real friendships is a hard job. It's important. It's hard. It's essential. And there's only so many you can do. Right. You know, like to be real honest about it. At some point you gotta go, I can't be too. Maintain any more real friendships. I'm going to let people down. [01:38:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:38:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Not that you can't have more friends, but you just have to be able to know that you gotta really prioritize the people in your life because you can let people down if you don't. [01:38:55] Speaker C: Right. So what was it like on the set working with Jared and Jensen? I mean, was it. Were they serious? Joking. [01:39:04] Speaker A: I didn't work a ton with Jared. We only had one scene together, Jared and I. [01:39:08] Speaker C: Really? [01:39:09] Speaker A: Yeah. I think we have the scene by the boat and the scene where I bring him back the two seats. The scene by the boat where I meet him on the docks, and then one scene where I take him to purgatory. [01:39:20] Speaker C: Wow you a lot in the show. [01:39:26] Speaker A: I partied with Jared. He's great. I spent time with my clones and stuff. He's great. He's a good man. And. And he's fun to work with as well. Very cool. And Jensen's. Jensen was such a gentleman. Like, I've told the story a million times. First time in all the years of doing this where the lead is asking me if I wanted my coverage first or his coverage. That's Unheard of. I usually they do that because it's like if you're feeling like you're hot right now and you're ready to go, then you want the camera. You're right now. [01:39:56] Speaker C: Okay. [01:39:57] Speaker A: Like if you're an actor that's like. I like to, I don't like to do that a thousand times. I like to do it four or five times to be hot. So you better take your coverage first. Or if you're somebody where like I don't warm up to this or feel it out or maybe I have a lot of dialogue so I'd like to get a hold of the scene, then you want to go second because it all encourages the other person. You got time. Both of those are valid. But to him to offer that opportunity and also the truth is usually the director of the GEOPL step and go, no, we got to shoot it this way for time. Right. But so he was stepping out. [01:40:33] Speaker C: Wow. [01:40:34] Speaker A: Like making, going like what a generous, generous offer. And also running lines with me when it was a scene where I think I had two basic dialogue and he looked three lines. It certainly wasn't for him. [01:40:47] Speaker C: Right. [01:40:47] Speaker A: You know what I mean? For him to come to my trailer, ask me if I want to run lines. Yeah. Man, that's brilliant. I've, I've rarely seen that he. That alone has. I mean I've been a guest a lot of people's shows. I've only once got the privilege to be that guy on a show. And I hope I, I hope and I, I throw it out to the universe to be that guy again on a show where I can pay back that generosity. [01:41:13] Speaker C: Right. [01:41:13] Speaker A: And, and, and pay it for it because well, you already have a lead guy. They're good to you. So you walk into the show, you're friendly. Especially shows are going so long. Often when the show's going that long, everybody's so tight knit they don't realize it, but they are accidentally not welcome. Leading to the guest spots. [01:41:35] Speaker C: Right. [01:41:36] Speaker A: Because you're gonna be hearing it today and gone tomorrow. You know what I mean? [01:41:39] Speaker C: Right. [01:41:39] Speaker A: And they were one another way to make sure that I was welcome and, and felt at home. It was great. [01:41:45] Speaker C: Well, and from what I could use. [01:41:47] Speaker A: Another one of those real soon. You know, it's just, it's why you do this. You want to make, make some art and play and, and, and do it under those circumstances. [01:41:57] Speaker B: Yeah. We'd love to see you in one. [01:42:00] Speaker C: Yes. [01:42:01] Speaker A: Going. [01:42:02] Speaker C: We love everything that you've done is, has just been amazing. And you can play so many different, different roles. And then that cast of Supernatural from all of the different podcasts and videos I've watched of people that have been in it, it seems like everybody is pretty. They get tight knit and it's like they'll pick up right where they left off. [01:42:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:24] Speaker C: And I think even DJ said something about. Oh my gosh, no, I can't think of her name. The mom on Supernatural. Yes. How he set out of. Out of the blue one day he messaged her because he had a question about something to do with life and that was like their bonding moment. And no matter what, I know she's always going to be there. [01:42:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:42:46] Speaker C: And you know, there's a lot of you guys that like you and DJ didn't even ever film together. Natural. But you know, you came to life. Came, you know, together in life later and it's. It's great to know that there's those friendships that can be built. [01:43:02] Speaker A: Yeah. There's. It really is a family that's come out of that and I'm so grateful for it. I mean I'd like to think I have a body of work that would have gotten me some interested in some travel and stuff, but Supernatural has led the way, bringing me around the world, conventions and to meet people. I'm totally grateful for it. I'd like another one or two kind of, you know, you don't get that many but I'd like another one or two like Supernatural under my belt. Yeah. You know. Yeah. It would not be great to round up career with another like iconic show. And iconic. Is it fair to say, kind of slightly iconic character too. Right. He's like he said, you know, he's a character that was. That stood out in the show of a show that many standout characters that I was proud of you guys to have a few more like that. [01:43:51] Speaker B: Yeah. I think everybody was kind of mad when Benny left. Yes, I know I was. [01:43:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Me most of all. [01:43:59] Speaker C: I'm sure. [01:44:02] Speaker A: I would have liked to. I would have liked to him had a, A better setup. I thought there was more meat on the bones that they, they jumped out of that storyline a little early. Yeah. I personally think and I don't know if this what it helps the cause or you should talk, you should talk about it. But I think they need to teach you about Hunter. Yeah. Yeah. Because he doesn't like his famous blind about I don't fit with the humans, I don't fit with the monsters. [01:44:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:44:29] Speaker A: Well, what's better than hunting the monsters? We saw him hunt the monsters. He hunted the old man and killed his own ex girlfriend. He went into the Covenant and slaughtered the whole. All of them. Yeah. Right. He slaughtered the five vampires in the alleyway. Yeah. And then he went to the old man's house and slaughtered five more. He's a born hunter. [01:44:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:50] Speaker A: That's where. [01:44:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:54] Speaker A: You know, I think that would have been a good arc. [01:44:57] Speaker C: Benny and Garth hunting together. [01:44:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:01] Speaker C: I'd watch it. [01:45:03] Speaker A: Bobby Jr. Oh, my gosh. [01:45:06] Speaker C: Bobby. That. I mean, Bobby has a special place in my heart. Always using his line. IDits. Freaking idiots. [01:45:21] Speaker A: Yeah. He's a very lovely man, too. Very nice. [01:45:24] Speaker C: I love that. So I wanted to touch on this for sure as well. Like I said, I mentioned, Jeremy is not only with Supernatural, but a huge Smallville fan. And I'm more than. More curious on what it's like. What it was like working with Tom Welling because he's kind of. Kind of when he's outside of. What's that. Well, call. Yes. But he seems very stoic. Like, even like he. After Smallville, he kind of just stepped away and has been coming back into it now. But he doesn't seem like one of those that realized back then the talent that he had. And I think he got kind of burnt out a little bit with having. [01:46:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:46:10] Speaker C: That amount of time series. [01:46:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know his story that well, but I could. I can theorize about, you know, first of all, the level of fitness you have to stay into for a role like that. Physical regime. The requirements of a role like that are really difficult. [01:46:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:46:28] Speaker A: Especially if you have a genetics where it's like you're not naturally skinny. And, you know, I'm not naturally skinny, so I have to work to stay kind of finish. Right. I think if you're naturally skinny, even if you lose a little bit of muscle over the years, you're still. It's. You fill up losing. Like you can pad up Superman a little bit. You know what I mean? [01:46:45] Speaker C: Right. [01:46:45] Speaker A: Hard to make somebody look a little thinner. Yeah. So I'm not saying because, you know, I know he's put on a few pounds as we've gotten older, as we all have, but I think. I imagine I'm trying to theorize about him as. As Superman because. How long did they do that? Serious. Ten years. [01:47:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:47:05] Speaker A: So imagine trying to stay in superman shape for 10 years. Yeah, that'd be. That's. That's a lot. That's a lot. Especially if you like pasta and you like food, you like the wine and you're making Great money and you're like I'm making great money. I can't go eat a pizza. So that alone is probably a stress. That schedule, they did 22 episodes a season, I think. [01:47:30] Speaker C: Yes. And he was pretty much on set from, you know, sun up to sundown. [01:47:36] Speaker A: And probably sometimes it's a lot of work. I don't know. Did he have kids during that time? [01:47:44] Speaker C: I don't think so. [01:47:45] Speaker A: I think, I don't know. But like maybe he didn't have kids because he didn't have time to date. So he wasn't getting laid. He wasn't dating. Was it like there's a lot of that goes on. Right. I mean think about a young man is healthy and good looking as him and, and his whole life and making shitloads of money and, and you can't eat pizza and you can't go, you know, harder than seven dates and or hold a relationship because you're on show and or kid with your family. Like there's a lot of people don't realize like oh, that kind of money. Yeah, you went to too. But after 10 years we've got the money. [01:48:19] Speaker C: Right. [01:48:19] Speaker A: Or after five years you've got the money and then so it's easy. [01:48:24] Speaker C: Kids. Jeremy during. [01:48:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it was like season two or season three. He ended up getting married, I think or something. [01:48:31] Speaker C: Oh did he that I, I, I was thinking he didn't. You're the, you're the expert on him. [01:48:37] Speaker A: I have and I, I just Disclaimer. I know nothing about sw. Like I don't know. I mean that was so long ago. I would remember even if it's holding stuff. But I'm just as a guy who's been around the industry for a long time, I think we get that those guys who do series for that long, there's a lot of things that come with it. A lot of, you know, a lot of sacrifices people like to think about. They always see the red carpet, but they never see I'm due to the GVRD of Back at Cooper is in February in the rain and the cold up in the mountain. You'll be thinking, jeez, where's that red carpet? [01:49:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm sure. I am sure. Well, I. How are you? I mean do you want us to keep asking questions? I mean we've taken up two hours of your time. I don't want to impose. [01:49:29] Speaker A: I want you to ask some, I want you to ask some good ones. When we start to get lame with leaving. Okay. I'm happy to give you a Little bit more time. See if I can end on a note that's not ranting and raving about stupid things. [01:49:46] Speaker B: That might be the best part of the episode. [01:49:50] Speaker C: It's the real. I'm just. [01:49:52] Speaker B: Especially the SAG stuff, because I'm always interested in sag. [01:49:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:56] Speaker C: Jeremy's very intrigued by sag. [01:49:58] Speaker A: And, yeah, I want to get a SAG card. [01:50:00] Speaker B: I don't want to act or anything. I just want a card. But maybe. I don't know. [01:50:07] Speaker C: Oh, I know what I wanted to touch on. Okay. So this was something that was kind of funny. I did not remember this until going through the research. I watched the 100, but it was so long ago, I didn't even put two and two together. That you were Nico in 100. Yeah, because I watched that before I watched Supernatural, and I'm not a very good one Faces. And Jeremy is the one, like I said, with Jameson. He recognized Jameson at the elevator. I did not. I. I am like, oops, hitting my mic. I am a Minnesota girl. I don't expect to see actors. If I see an actor in a movie, I'm like, oh, they did a great job. He'll be the one that'll be like, oh, hey, that's, you know, so and so. Or this is so. I'm like, oh, yeah, it is. I have. I have face blindness, I swear. But once I watch Supernatural. And then I was researching for our interview, and then they said, nico for the 100. And I was like, oh, my gosh. So then I pulled up the picture, and then it was like all these other roles started coming into play and all these other movies that I had seen, and. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. I've. There's so many that I loved. So, Nico, in the 100, you also did Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and I wanted to touch on what it was like to do that because you're not seeing yourself on the screen, and it's a completely different type of acting. [01:51:41] Speaker A: Yeah. So Rise to the ground of the apes. I played actually the police officer. [01:51:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:51:45] Speaker C: Oh, I'm sorry. Did the wrong one. [01:51:47] Speaker A: War for the planet of the age Gorilla. Thank you for. Yeah, so that's one of those things where actually two different characters in that, right? [01:51:56] Speaker C: Yes. [01:51:58] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's very different because it's a lot. It's a little more like theater acting in the sense that you're playing an animal. Right. So it's obviously. It's not what we typically see on a film sets or a film script. The the physicality, the. The body language, the. He was one of the only guys that spoke during that movie. So. Also trying to figure out where are they in their development, in their evolution. So, yeah, getting into the physicality of a creature and also getting into like, okay, we're at the stage of evolution, spread of evolution to these, These primates. How do they sound? What. What's. What's their language skills like? And where does it come from? And yes, very, very interesting. But more theater. Like, in a sense that. In a sense that it was the theater. You often play things that are uncanny or, you know, or unlikely. It's like. Yeah, more often than in film. Well, I should say more and more these days, film is doing that. But yeah, very. It was an interesting challenge. I really enjoyed it and I really enjoyed working with Andy Serkis. Yeah, it was a unique experience. I was not in a great place in my life during that movie and I. I think I subconsciously did a lot sabotage myself. I kind of. I won't get into all the details, but I kind of pride myself and going, I did everything I could to be as terrible as I could, but my pride wouldn't let me be. Or not to be as terrible as a cookie. But you. I did everything possible to make it as difficult as possible from the audition process all the way through, but my pride would not let me do bad work, you know, so that's good. Yeah, well, you know, just life. Life comes out bites in the ass sometimes. That's the way it is. And actors don't get to have, you know, we can't take breaks from. Been sick. [01:53:57] Speaker C: Right. [01:53:57] Speaker A: Which I think, you know, like, you have to be unable to be on camera sick. [01:54:03] Speaker C: Right. [01:54:03] Speaker A: Like, you can only get away with being sick if they're like, we can't film you this way. Yeah. If they're like, we can inject with drugs that will make you look fine, they'll do it. So, you know, there's no room for mental health days unless you're the lead. Lead. Lead. You'll be replaced. [01:54:22] Speaker C: Right. [01:54:22] Speaker A: Place like that, you know, and miss funerals and miss weddings and the birthdays and anniversaries. Feverish on set. But people don't realize that there is a bit of that to this business. You are. You just sacrifice your autonomy a little bit. [01:54:36] Speaker C: Right. [01:54:37] Speaker B: That sounds rough because, I mean, colds and allergies. You don't sound the same. [01:54:43] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no, I know. Like, I would imagine like. Like genuinely, like, being sick, like diarrhea sick, you know, like modium blah. Blah, blah. We'll keep a trailer nearby because that's, that's what you want to know. Everybody know you've got the, you'll be going, you know. Like. Luckily that's never happened to me, but I've had that happen. Like you're on set somewhere. You're like last take because I've got to go and you're across a river, you know, like. Yeah. So, you know. Yeah. Anyways, it was, it was. I loved the director. Matt Reeves was fantastic. I love the experience. It's. It's my. A tale to myself that I tell others that of, of a bit of regret that I didn't take such an opportunity to, to join the opportunity more because I was in a such a bad place in my life. But, but I'm also have pride to go. But I still was there and I did it and I did good work and I, and I, and I pulled it off despite the fact that I, you know, should have been on a mental health sabbatical. [01:56:01] Speaker C: I guess that's one thing I've never thought about either. I mean I, I, you know, the work ethic has to be there. But with you having daughters, if you're filming, there's that school play or there's that Christmas program or whatever. That had to be really hard as a father to have to miss a lot of that stuff as well. [01:56:23] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that comes to mind is my 10th anniversary of my. I was married to the girl's mom. I was, I was on a show and they their up. I wasn't scheduled for the day. It was a Saturday or something like that. It was. And I was a schedule but they had to reschedule around there. So they're like, okay, we're need you to say. And I'm like, nope, nope, we're not coming. And it wasn't a show where they owed me. And some shows will owe you for the whole thing show. Others will just buy you for the days. So they get those days and at some point they've got to lock them in and then they don't go own the other days. [01:56:57] Speaker C: Okay. [01:56:58] Speaker A: So I didn't have to do it and. But you would never normally say no because that gives you bad reputation. First of all. Right, but I was like, I said no, I'm not going. My 10th anniversary. No. I've missed so much over the years. I've sacrificed so much for the business. I'm not doing it. So much power in the word no though I'll tell you that the incentives Started coming out of the hole. It was the first time I recognized that really good champagne is really good for a reason. $600 bottle of champagne. There's a reason for that. And no, I wasn't trying to push for any thing. I genuinely was like, I'm not doing this. This is such a symbolic seminal year. You know, I'm like, I'm not missing my anniversary for this. [01:57:57] Speaker C: Right. [01:57:58] Speaker A: And luckily she. She was like, it's okay. We'll move into another week. We'll do that. [01:58:03] Speaker C: Right. [01:58:04] Speaker A: And I got beautiful shout out to. They're kind of semi retired now. Hiker and hike. Embarrassing. They've always been so lovely to me. I can't remember. We don't see anybody in person anymore. Right. So I haven't seen them in a decade or five years. Anyways. Karina. Karina. They've always been such supporters. Ladies, if you ever happen to hear this. Thank you so much. Always. You thought you were always so lovely and supportive to me. And I remember the bottles of wine that came in a wooden box. It's like special labels, Ron, that you've sent me for that. Let's. And. And I remember everything that you laid. Thank you so much. And then my agent at the time, Russ Mortis, also, I was. I had taken my lady up for dinner and A bottle of 1994 Doll Perry showed up. [01:58:58] Speaker C: O. [01:58:59] Speaker A: And. And I was never a champagne guy until that day. I found it later, like 94, apparently. Different grapes. And the champagne was incredible. And I was like. [01:59:15] Speaker C: Yeah, converted. [01:59:19] Speaker A: I now have expands the lotus bubbles. [01:59:23] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. I've never been a big champagne person either, but I. I'm a very big lightweight when it comes to drinking. I. I think then the 13. What it was. How many years have we been. Almost 15 years. Almost. Or 15. [01:59:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:41] Speaker C: Yeah. Wow. [01:59:43] Speaker A: I think Jeremy's anniversaries are important. Kids, let's get the date right. [01:59:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, we met and I always. I always have to think. So I always do our. You know, when we started dating and then when we got married about a year and a half apart. [01:59:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:59:57] Speaker C: But yeah, anniversary is coming up October 1st. Married anniversary. [02:00:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:00:03] Speaker C: But I think in the time frame that we have been together, I think Jeremy's only seen me a little loopy maybe a couple times. And he's not a big drinker at all, so I've never seen him. Oh, no. My sister got you drunk once, but. [02:00:19] Speaker A: She spiked that night. Yeah. [02:00:24] Speaker C: All of a sudden, Jeremy's like, they're trying to do the break dancing and the karate Kick ups where you go from the floor up to your feet. And then they're doing Michael J. Jackson moonwalk. And I'm like, what is going on here? [02:00:40] Speaker A: Talking to him. [02:00:41] Speaker C: Like, all right, who spiked his drink? It was their mission to get him drunk and they did it that night. Not drunk, hilarious. [02:00:52] Speaker B: I think I was drunk that night, probably. [02:00:56] Speaker C: So I've been. [02:00:57] Speaker A: I've been. I've been roofing once and it's. Yeah, the hangover. Here's. Here's the thing. I. I think because my begging, my tolerance is so high generally for stuff, it didn't knock me out, it didn't make me. It just made me loose enough to make an idiot out of myself. But to hang over the next day, and I kid you not, I couldn't get my head off the hotel floor. [02:01:22] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [02:01:23] Speaker A: Like, I was trying to push my head up off the floor sober, but the pain in my head was so excruciating, I couldn't get my head off the floor. It's no joke. And a friend of my girlfriend of mine, Toronto, was like, I talked earlier, the whole ordeal. Get into it now. But. And she said, did you. She said, how was your hangover? Oh, it's like unbelievable. I've never had it in my life. Like, I was a. That was a troubled kid, man. I drank until I had the shakes. Yes. You know, like I drank. I could drink 20 drinks and. And this thing. I couldn't get my head off the floor. Wow. And apparently that's one of the signs of like one of the heavy roofs and all or whatever they do is that the hangover is like blow your mind. [02:02:14] Speaker C: I couldn't imagine. [02:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:02:17] Speaker A: People do that for. People do that for fun. Now they think it's funny. Right. Or they're not even trying to rape you or anything. They just start seeing. Become a disaster. [02:02:26] Speaker B: Wow. [02:02:27] Speaker C: Did you ever figure out who roofied you? [02:02:30] Speaker A: Nope. [02:02:31] Speaker C: Wow. That's. [02:02:32] Speaker A: I was in a public setting and nobody believed me because I was the party guy. But that's okay. [02:02:37] Speaker C: I believe you. I believe. Well, there's a lot of psychos. We do true crime as well, so we know that there's a lot of psychos out there in this world. Crazy, crazy people. Well, let's do a fun. Well, first I want to ask you a question. And that is, what is something fans don't use, Usually ask you about your career or life, but you wish they would. I know it's kind of a hard. [02:03:04] Speaker A: One, but I think it would be. Instead of asking. I think it would be more just a general sense. But I, I think sometimes I wish people. I grew up group home in Fox Girl. The grouped up situation. I grew up with a bad temper and I, I've always had this thing living in everybody else's homes. That. And being acutely aware that I was standout for being the kids of the group home. Like I, I've grown up. Like if I'm at a party to this day I still have Illumina's and a wallet goes missing. I, I kind of go 150, you know, not because I'm like that at all. Although sometimes I accidentally. And I think my humor can be a bit rash and stuff that. But I think I wish that people understood me more of that I would never hurt anybody intentionally. That I would never say these words like if I've ever said something to you that hurt your feelings unless you were the woman at that bar. [02:04:06] Speaker C: She deserves it. [02:04:08] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm not a guy. I believe in protecting the weak and I believe in empowering women and believe in. In being kind to each other. And for all the mistakes that I've made, I. I guess I wish people knew that they were just mistakes that were not backed by maliciousness. They were probably backed by ignorance, stupidity, vanity, desperation. Like all this, you know, all the shit that we carry with us in our lives. Like, it took me a long time to realize that the effect of my mother abandoning me would affect my relationship with women for the rest of my life. [02:04:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:04:49] Speaker A: In such a way that would be needing approval, respect, admiration, validation. You know, so even that can corrupt into something not good. You know what I mean? I realized a bunch of years back that a lot of my relationships with women weren't with. Was not healthy because it was too need based. It was too like. [02:05:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:05:14] Speaker A: Don't you think I'm fighting? Don't you think I'm charming? Don't you think I'm loving? Don't you think I'm sexy? Don't you. You want to tell me, you know, trust me because you're abandoned, kid. It's all you want is somebody to validate you. Right? So. So I wish like all those things that I wish. I think it's always been hard for me to win when I feel like people misunderstood me or that they. I hate still being the guy who thinks. I hope you don't think I took the wallet. Right. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. So that's. [02:05:46] Speaker C: It gets ingrained in you. [02:05:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Or if they, or they understand, like my temper is the way it is, which I've done everything in my power to control. So if it's. If it's lost. If I've lost my temperature with you, it's because I've done everything possible to not lose it. [02:06:02] Speaker C: Right. [02:06:03] Speaker A: I've exhausted all the options. So if I. If you go off, it's because you have been responsible for pushing every. Every button and. And every. I've used every resource I have right to. You know, so I just wish. And I think for everybody, but also it's just for me. I just. I just. You know, I think there's been so many misconceptions about who I am over the years that. [02:06:30] Speaker C: You have such a beautiful heart. I love that you have so much compassion and sincerity. You really do. You really have a beautiful heart. [02:06:43] Speaker A: Okay. [02:06:45] Speaker C: Okay. [02:06:47] Speaker B: She's good at that. [02:06:50] Speaker A: He. [02:06:54] Speaker C: I made you. Thank you for that cry, too. Actually, I think he cried three or four times. [02:07:03] Speaker A: I'm a giant cry baby. I think maybe that's what people can understand. What. Whatever you think you know about me, I'm a giant baby. I cry at commercials. I. I cry at bandy memes. I. I love people deeply. I try to be kind. I have a brass that's a humor. But I. I do. I believe in kindness. And I love people deeply. And. And, well, we're all gonna be the villain in somebody's story, but. Yeah. I tell you, I've only ever wanted to be the hero. So if I definitely hurt you, I hurt myself worse than. [02:07:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:07:42] Speaker A: Promise. My Juliet. [02:07:43] Speaker C: I can relate to that. Jeremy, I know, gets frustrated with me at times because I am the one that always tries to see the good, or I try to avoid the conflict, or I don't say what I need to say or I'll let people walk all over me sometimes because of what I dealt with when I was growing up. And so it's kind of like I am the peacekeeper. I'm the one that wants to everybody to be happy. I'll throw myself under the bus to try to prevent, like, my siblings from fighting or something. And he's like, quit doing that. You know, quit putting yourself in those positions. [02:08:24] Speaker A: So, yeah. Yeah. And the problem with the position of being a public figure is it there's. Can't wait to tear you down. They don't. They're not verifying anything. They're not. They don't give a if it's real. [02:08:40] Speaker C: Right. [02:08:41] Speaker A: And I have, you know, I have made some unfortunate enemies who, like, will say and do anything. The problem is you can't compete with people who have no rules. [02:08:51] Speaker C: Right. [02:08:52] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, you ever. If you ever. You got in a fight with somebody who's literally got no rules, like they will stay do. They'll burn their own house down with themselves in it. [02:09:03] Speaker C: Right. [02:09:04] Speaker A: Trying to try to burn you. [02:09:05] Speaker C: Right. [02:09:06] Speaker A: They don't. They have those result. There's no sense of self preservation. [02:09:11] Speaker C: Right. [02:09:12] Speaker A: Like. And it's just, it's, you know, and it's just the world's got people like that in it. It's. It's tough. So. But anyways, yeah. He. The only thing you could do is continue to try to just move forward, leave yourself by example. And the people that I like the. I like this statement. Other people's opinion of me is out of my business. Yeah. And I try to remember that. But the little boy in me that feels less than has a hard time with it. [02:09:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:09:44] Speaker A: Dick. You know, and I try to, you know, I'm trying to. It's amazing. 50, like I would say too, it's like your 20s, you start to look at all these maybe to start considering things about yourself that you don't like the mistakes you've made. Your 30s, you really know like what you need to work on, but you really don't. You kind of dabble. And then your 40s, like, oh, I gotta start doing this work good. And, and I think the same thing happens when you're 50. Like it's a decade thing. You start to go, where am I at now? And I think I've covered most of the. Where I go. You know, it's interesting to be at a place and mostly stuff aware where you go, oh, that mother is still you up, huh? Yeah. I be like, yeah, yeah, it is. And so yeah, maybe start to look at that. I spoke a therapist. I was in a relationship a while back and it was very toxic and very abusive. And, and, and that person would say the same thing in reverse. And we have different opinions about that. But my therapist, My therapist said no amount of staying in a. No amount of time staying in a boosted relationship will fill the hole your mother left. And I was like you, you for saying that. Yeah, for saying that. Absolute truth. [02:11:18] Speaker C: Right. [02:11:23] Speaker A: So. So yeah. You know, the growth that you feel going through the years and yeah. Trying to care less what other people think. And I don't generally care what other people think, but it really bothers the little boy in me. [02:11:36] Speaker C: Well, yeah. [02:11:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:11:38] Speaker C: I mean, as much as, as much as you want to put on that shell or truly think if you don't like me. Don't look at me. You don't like what I'm doing, then you know, go do something else or look at someone else or watch somebody else. But we all want that little bit of that little kid in us is always wanting that validation that. [02:11:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:11:58] Speaker C: That. That. That boy, you're doing a good job. [02:12:01] Speaker A: And, you know, wants to feel safe and recognized. [02:12:05] Speaker C: Exactly. Exactly. [02:12:07] Speaker A: But I don't eat Brock. I don't eat broccoli. [02:12:10] Speaker C: What? [02:12:10] Speaker A: And I not broccoli. Brussels sprouts. [02:12:13] Speaker C: Oh, okay. [02:12:13] Speaker A: But that I could let them in my house. [02:12:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:12:18] Speaker A: Because when I was. The very first group home I ever went into was an emergency group home. And I've never had before I was 10 years old and they served me Brussels sprouts. And they're vomitus. Little rotten cabbages. And particularly for kids whose taste buds are extraordinary. [02:12:34] Speaker C: Right. [02:12:35] Speaker A: And I've. And I kind of threw it up on my plate because they made me eat. And you know, kids gag reflexes are. [02:12:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:12:44] Speaker A: Trying to eat it. And then they like, severely threatened to make me eat it. The puke off my plate. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And then I went to a foster family who didn't know and but insisted on having Brussels sprouts twice a week. It would make me sit at the table for hours until I look these things down. [02:13:06] Speaker C: I have. [02:13:07] Speaker A: I. I ate everything. I ate everything. I had an appetite like a giant King Kong gorilla. Why would you make me eat the food? Brussels sprouts. [02:13:17] Speaker C: Right. [02:13:18] Speaker A: It makes no sense that generation of thoughts. Who is. [02:13:22] Speaker C: I had the same. I was a kid and my mom dropped me off at a baby or a family to BABYSNIT Me, probably five, six years old. And they made split pea soup and I couldn't stomach it. And they. Their idea of babysitting me that day was making me sit at that table the entire day until. Entire day and night until my mom came because I would not eat that soup. It was disgusting. And I won't eat it to this day. [02:13:55] Speaker A: Yeah. People were saying, like, first of all, kids have really strong particular. Like you might get a kid who, you know sauerkraut and love it and not like a potato. There's peace buds are all over the. The place. Anyway, so I do not love Brussels sprouts in my house. And people keep going, oh, everybody wants. You haven't eaten deep fried. Like, I keep on my cell phone. It doesn't mean I'm gonna eat it. You know, it tastes good. I'm not gonna eat it. I'm like That's. But you're missing the point for me. I'm like, I will never betray that kid. [02:14:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:14:32] Speaker A: That 10 year old will never have a Brussels sprout. [02:14:39] Speaker C: And it's my house and I don't want them. And the. Them's the rules, man. Them's the rules. [02:14:44] Speaker A: I'm a. I'm a man now. I will not eat a Brussels sprout, period. And I don't give a if it's the best thing. If it tastes like chocolate cake, I'm not eating them. [02:14:55] Speaker B: I don't think they'll ever taste like cake. [02:14:59] Speaker A: Right. Little rotten cab. Yeah. [02:15:02] Speaker B: Amen. [02:15:03] Speaker A: Oh. What if you put them in butter? Yeah, sure. But you should. All you do is masking the taste. [02:15:09] Speaker C: Right. You could bake them in. [02:15:13] Speaker A: Got me all emotional today. Maybe it's first day of not drinking in a while. I'm kidding. I don't have the shakes or anything, but it's been a fun summer. [02:15:27] Speaker C: Well, let's. Let's lighten it up a little bit. Let's have a little fun. What is your. Let's do a little lightning round. [02:15:36] Speaker A: All right. [02:15:36] Speaker C: What is your favorite movie that you never get tired of watching? [02:15:41] Speaker A: So I don't really. I'm not. I've never get tired of watching. I don't usually do favorite movies, but I would say. Oh, actually I'll say this. I definitely. A scene would be whiplash. [02:15:51] Speaker C: Oh, nice. [02:15:52] Speaker A: That scene with the. At the end. Oh, it was a. Like the whole story is great. And that last scene when he drums. You know, have you seen the movie, right? [02:16:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I haven't seen it. [02:16:05] Speaker A: Well, walk with last. Watch it. Oh. Oh. It defines everything there is about the. The upness of being a artist and passion. And it's all. It's so up, but it's so powerful. Beautiful. The same time. H. Yeah. Wh. Flash. [02:16:21] Speaker C: Awesome. [02:16:21] Speaker A: We'll have to watch what? [02:16:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll have to w. It's been a long time. I don't remember it very well, but. [02:16:28] Speaker A: The last scene, like made me cry and like tense up and like at the same time. It was amazing. Yeah. [02:16:37] Speaker C: Guess we'll know what we're watching tonight. [02:16:39] Speaker A: Watching. So good. [02:16:42] Speaker C: What is your Already know what your. You will not allow in your house or eat. So let's go with your guilty pleasure snack. [02:16:51] Speaker A: I don't feel guilty about anything that I eat or drink McCain's cake. And I just celebrated. I told you this week I celebrated my summer birthday. My 50th summer birthday. And I wasn't sure if People would bring cake. So I bought two of them, and then one of my best friends bought two and another for about one. So I had five and stack two together. And I finished that yesterday because I was like, I want to try to get back into a little healthier. [02:17:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:17:24] Speaker A: I've got three frozen McCain cakes in my freezer. Right. I love them with ice cream. Oh, I love cake and ice cream like you wouldn't believe. Oh, and I love. And I like. Like, I'll see. Jameson. I love whiskey, but I'll give me a pina colada. Yeah, I love that stuff. [02:17:43] Speaker C: Yes. [02:17:44] Speaker A: The one basically a giant child. [02:17:46] Speaker C: Yeah. When we went to Florida, Jeremy actually indulged in a few cocktails. What were they called? [02:17:54] Speaker B: They were dragon's blood or something like that. [02:17:57] Speaker C: Dragon's blood. That's right. So he was drinking dragon blood. Dragon's blood out of a bucket floating on the lazy river. So when we came back, he brought the bucket back, and anytime I made him a dragon's blood, I had to make it in the bucket because it had to have that same kind of nostalgia. It was good, though. It was the first time I'd ever tried. I'd never tried it. [02:18:19] Speaker B: It was like Kool Aid with a kick. [02:18:21] Speaker C: Yeah, it was pomegranate. What was it? Pomegranate Bacardi. [02:18:28] Speaker A: I don't even know. [02:18:29] Speaker C: I don't know. I'd never. I had to go to, like, Total Wine to get it. And I never go to Total. I always just go to, like, the local liquor store around here, you know, But Yummies, but. All right. What is the last song that you blasted in your car? [02:18:45] Speaker A: Let me think. I was just on a motorcycle trip, so it would have been in my helmet. [02:18:48] Speaker C: There you go. [02:18:49] Speaker A: Oh, it's definitely Ozzy. Ozzy. I'll say Ozzy, because he passed away, and I actually, I. So I went on Aussie kick, obviously. And I also, like, the first two days, I was watching all the footage and the things come in, and I was. I was like, you're. I was like, it's a few minutes ago. You're really sad. And I was like, yeah, you aren't sad. I'm like, that makes sense, Ty. He was like, your childhood. My first album I ever bought was Ozzy. Yeah. I could remember listening to Black Sabbath through my older brother's door. You know, his bedroom. Yeah. And I was like, well, you should go do that. You should celebrate that. And so I went to the Moose, which is a DJ and I's favorite dive bar or Rock bar and in the afternoon and I paid the bartender to put nothing but Aussie on for the rest of the day. [02:19:40] Speaker C: Nice. [02:19:41] Speaker A: I came 100 bucks and said, I want nothing but Aussie for the the of rest. Rest of the day. I did no problem and I didn't drink myself silly and had a great night. [02:19:52] Speaker C: You did something like that too, didn't you, Jeremy? [02:19:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I did the same thing. [02:19:56] Speaker A: Y. Apple. [02:19:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I remember. [02:19:57] Speaker A: Yeah. All day long. It was emotional, right? It was surprisingly emotional, actually. I. I have to admit, because I'm not usually I'm like, oh, oh. Actually. And not to an extent, but Canadian icon, actor, a great Graham Green passed away today. Recipes to him. He was giants. Giant of a. Of a man played in deaths, wolves and theater scene plays and movies and TVs just endless countless things. Aboriginal First Nations Guy Graham Green apparently passed away and recipes to him. I had the opportunity to work with him on a show called Project Blue Book. And he was lovely and funny and easygoing. And Mr. Green, I hope you don't mind me ratting you out now that he's passed away, but you get the tea. He confessed to me that he had one of the original communicators from the original Star Trek show stolen from the show. When he was gone, he's like, don't tell him. When I have original. I was like, so, Mr. Graham Green, rest in peace and thank you for that little. That little. Trusting me with that little information all these years. I hope you. I hope you are happy and it's at. Wherever you are. [02:21:23] Speaker C: Yes. Rest in peace. Yeah. You hear that a lot where people, Some people will be like, oh, I. Oh, who was it that was talking about that? Oh, Jason Patrick. I heard an interview about him and they were talking about the leather. Was it Jason Patrick when the. The leather jacket? [02:21:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:21:41] Speaker C: Do you remember that interview? [02:21:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. [02:21:43] Speaker C: In Lost Boys. And he didn't think anything of it and he, you know, still had it and his friend was cold or whatever and he gave it to him and never got it back, you know. And then years later it's, you know, he's like, man, I probably. That probably would have been a good thing to hold on to. [02:22:01] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [02:22:04] Speaker C: But. All right, so what is a horror movie that actually scared you? [02:22:11] Speaker A: I read once that they think that people who don't get scared of horror movies are likely to be psychopaths. I don't think that's true. Playing the the Last of Us the first time. And I'll consider that the same question because that scared the bejesus out of me when I would play that game. And I don't normally, like, jump starter, get freaked out by movies, probably because I'm in them. [02:22:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:22:37] Speaker A: So I know too much. I know too much and seen too much. [02:22:40] Speaker C: Right. [02:22:40] Speaker A: But that game I would play, like, sweating and scared. [02:22:47] Speaker C: You have that game, don't you, Jerry? [02:22:48] Speaker B: Yeah, there's some good jump scares in that one. [02:22:51] Speaker A: There's some good. And it's creepy like that. The sounds like when you're screaming through and you hear that. Yeah, yeah. [02:22:58] Speaker C: Oh, no, no, no. [02:22:59] Speaker A: Like that stuff. So if you don't mind that little adjustment, I'm gonna call it that. That. That game. [02:23:05] Speaker B: Okay. [02:23:07] Speaker A: That's kind of like a movie. [02:23:09] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much. [02:23:10] Speaker A: I mean, other movies. Movies. [02:23:14] Speaker C: Well, didn't they make it into a movie or was it based off of a movie? [02:23:17] Speaker A: They made it into TV series. Yeah, they did a great job with it and. Yeah. Yeah, great casting. [02:23:24] Speaker C: Love it. All right, one last question. Have you ever had any kind of paranormal experience? [02:23:33] Speaker A: So I was in. I was in around Birmingham for a convention many years ago. They used to put us actors up in this old, old English manor That. That was the. The oldest working moat in the uk. So it actually had, like, a legit moat and all that. Wow. And apparently there used to be. Used to be the piece used to live there. And it's. It's factual that there was a priest that went crazy or was penalized for something, and they put them in the tower. And you can still see scratch marks of days there, like way back in the thing. And of course, rumors of ghosts all over the place. And, like, I'm not really the kind of guy to even think about that kind of stuff that much. You know what I mean? I'm like, cool. So I don't think it was me going, oh, and my brain tricking me. I was laying in bed, and I was distinctly aware of the feeling of somebody sitting on the end of the bed and by myself, like, unquestionably. I know exactly what that thought was. Somebody sat on the end of the bed. This is how on the spectrum I am. I went my sibling. Like, if you wake up and see who it is and nobody's there, you're going to be awake. And if you wake up and there is something there, you're going to be awake. What do you really want to wake up right now? And I went back to sleep. [02:25:13] Speaker C: Oh, my. [02:25:18] Speaker A: Deal with it. [02:25:19] Speaker C: Yeah. I'm the. I'm the one that will scream and light it on fire. Jeremy's never had a paranormal experience. So I always love hearing people's stories. [02:25:31] Speaker A: So I've read once the people that come from childhood trauma, they tend to, they tend to act very calm in crisis. Like that example. Oh, there might be a ghost or a person looking into your bed. I, I have literally laughed in the middle of car accidents. I like for real, for real. I giggle in the little car accidents. I literally have had car accidents where I went, I'm gonna die from this. Smash, smash, smash. And total the car. Like I am the bizarrest kind of. I was in a head on collision on my motorcycle. [02:26:11] Speaker C: Ooh. [02:26:11] Speaker A: I pulled out as long I won't tell you the story before version. But I pulled out behind this pickup pulling the trailer and I pulled out and gunned it to pass them going uphill. And I didn't see a car coming because of the blind spot and I dropped the bike so low. He drove over my front tire. I did a. I had a seven foot long trench mark where my foot peg on my right side dug into the pavement. I had a scrap of my helmet and my tank was dented and scraped and did I smashed the whole side of his car. The handlebars were bent forward. Now I think about riding a motorcycle and I'm on a Harley. Like these are not up, they're down. Right. [02:26:49] Speaker C: Right. [02:26:49] Speaker A: I had a tiny little cherry of skid mark on my knee, about that big on my right knee. The bike was down, the foot peg was right on the trench. I pulled my knee up somehow. The whole side of the other car was smashed. Not a scratch on this leg. Wow. [02:27:09] Speaker C: Wow. [02:27:10] Speaker A: I hit the pavement so hard I popped out four ribs. But Walker was not a broken bone in the middle and like whoa, the hair. Second decision I would add to drop the bike solo because now I'm in between the truck and the car and I dropped the bike solo. He drove over my front wheel and something on my bike smacked all left side of his car. But it wasn't my leg and wasn't my other leg on the pavement. I think I literally just pulled both legs and went. I, I like a ninja but you have to stay calm or sit like right. My body reacted with no like. So I don't, I don't really. Horror movies don't like. That's why horror movies, I don't, I. [02:27:55] Speaker C: Don'T tend to go, yeah, I get the adverse reaction. I had the trauma in the, in the child or in my childhood. But I watch horror movies like this. But you know, I, I will Put on the haunted house for all the kids in the neighborhood, in the community. But you won't catch me going to a haunted house. I, I like doing the, you know, getting the scare factor for everyone. I'm pretty good at that. But I grew up in a house that was haunted too, so. Or I believe it was. I don't know if it was just my over imaginative, you know. Yeah, yeah, you know, little kid brain. But when I was in a car accident, what was it, five or six years ago, I. It was the first car accident that I'd ever been in when I was driving and it involved somebody. I've gone into a ditch or whatever. I've been a passenger in a car accident, but never when I was driving. And I was very, you know, we weren't going very, very fast. It was very slow moving traffic and I just happened. Something caught my attention to the left, so I looked and when I looked back, I saw the bumper of the car in front of me coming up very fast. I was only going like 20 miles an hour, but yeah. So I ended up rear ending this car in front of me. Smashed up the front of our car, put a little tiny dent in their, the back of their SUV and I bent their exhaust. But the whole front half of our car was smashed up. And I got out and the guy came running at me, furious. You stupid idiot. You know, it was my fault. I hit him. But something distracted me. I looked away for a second. It happened. I started bawling because I was so emotional. I mean, it was like slow motion. I saw everything flying forward. I saw it all happening. He comes out, he throws his hat down, starts yelling at me, and I'm just like, I'm sorry. He just instantly went soft and, and everything was fine. But I mean, the way he charged at me, I was just like, oh. Then the emotions went. So I do the opposite. I like retreat into the crying little, you know, cover my eyes, throw the blank. You know, if I felt something sitting at the end of my bed, I'd either kick it or I cover my. Yeah. [02:30:24] Speaker A: I really, I have a thing for cars and I used to own a Shelby GT 500 and very fast. And I lived in the country and I was driving down this country road. Now it was in front of a school, but it's summer, like so. And I know it's dead, right? There's nobody in the parking lot. I live in the neighborhood, so I know it's dead. But there's these two like young 13 year olds, like doing the, like oh, they want to see it, Rip. And I remember as a kid wanting to see the hot rods, Rip, you know, so I gunned it for these kids. These roads that are a few blocks or half a block down, houses down, the owner of the house comes out, idiot. I'm already flying by him. The problem is I've got to drive by this house again sometime. And not that that was in my mind, but I stopped and I reversed. And he said the you think you're doing. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. I'm sorry. I don't know what I was thinking. Stupid residential area. You don't need that happening. The kids asked for it. I was just being silly, but it was a stupid move. I apologize. And you could just see the steam. Golf cops. It won't happen again. Don't worry, brother. I understand. I have kids. I was in the wrong. So don't move. Yeah, and I meant it too, like, ah, it's stupid area to do that in. Why you let a couple 13 year olds talk you into doing a burnout? [02:31:55] Speaker C: Come on. Because burnouts are cool. And it brings me back to my teenage years. [02:32:03] Speaker A: They are cool. And I know that I would have wanted them to see the burnout too, but I could have done it off the street or something. [02:32:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Hindsight. [02:32:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:32:13] Speaker C: That's awesome. Well, Ty, I don't want to take up too much more of your time. This has been amazing and I cannot thank you enough from both Jeremy and I. And if, honestly, if you and DJ come to Minnesota at any time, let us know. Jeremy and I would love to take you out for dinner. [02:32:36] Speaker A: Thank you. Well, if you hear of us coming to Minnesota, reach out. Because I won't keep those. Those things won't stay in my brain. Yeah, no, because what I'll do is like somebody in Minnesota. [02:32:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:32:51] Speaker A: But. But I am the person to take that offer up when I can. I can't always do that, but I do try to do that when I can. So. [02:33:00] Speaker C: Sit in a dive bar, have them play some Aussie all night and just have still fun. You know, there's nothing better than a good dive bar. [02:33:11] Speaker A: You could talk DJ and I into a dive bar anytime. We love it and the floors are sticky. [02:33:19] Speaker C: You know, you got pull tabs and peanuts all over the place. [02:33:24] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. I don't now I want to go to the bar. [02:33:31] Speaker C: I'm sure they have dive bar bars in Australia too. [02:33:36] Speaker A: Thank you for having me. Please make me look good. [02:33:39] Speaker C: I appreciate. Or we appreciate this so much and we looked forward to it and I'm so. It was just such a great time. It's just like talking with an old friend. [02:33:52] Speaker A: It was. It was nice. Yeah, it was nice chatting with you. And if I remember correctly, I kind of jokingly gave you say I'm like, can you a shout out? Let's on the show. Yeah. [02:34:01] Speaker C: Yes, now. [02:34:03] Speaker A: Now I give you a shout out. All right. [02:34:04] Speaker C: Yes. [02:34:07] Speaker A: All right. Remind me when the episode's coming. I'll make sure there's lots of setups. All right, Perfect. [02:34:11] Speaker B: Sounds good. [02:34:12] Speaker C: Thank you so much, Ty. [02:34:14] Speaker A: Have a good loving and chat with you both. Be well. [02:34:17] Speaker C: Yes, and safe travels to Australia. [02:34:19] Speaker A: Thank you so much. [02:34:20] Speaker C: Bye bye. [02:34:23] Speaker B: Thanks for hanging out with us here at Total Conundrum. Please make sure to check out our website and [email protected] for news, upcoming events, merch bloopers and additional hysteria. You never know what will pop up, so be sure to follow along. If you want to show your support for Total Conundrum and gain access to all of our bonus content, please visit our Patreon page. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. The links are available on in our Show Notes. If you have any questions, comments, recommendations or stories to share, please email [email protected] episodes are available on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. If you like the show, please rate, review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts. We appreciate the love. Keep on Creeping up Own Mother Cluckers. [02:35:42] Speaker A: Sam.
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