Episode 56 - Wanted for 18 Years: Unmasking John List

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sa. [00:00:31] Speaker B: If you dig the twisted, admire the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree, join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Warning. [00:00:59] Speaker B: Some listeners may find the following content disturbing. [00:01:04] Speaker C: Listener discretion is advised. Hey, everybody. We have Zach and Stephanie from Zach Solved Mysteries joining us today. We are so honored to have you guys on, and we just have always loved speaking with you guys. You know, we haven't seen each other face to face before, but we've done a lot of collab work. We've done, you know, at Willowbrook Story. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:33] Speaker D: Oh, that was fun. [00:01:33] Speaker A: It's really cool. [00:01:34] Speaker C: Do a lot of trailer trades, communicating on Instagram in the background, and they have an amazing podcast that you guys have to check out if you haven't checked out already. But welcome Zach and Stephanie. [00:01:48] Speaker D: Thank you. [00:01:49] Speaker A: How are you guys? [00:01:50] Speaker D: Happy to be here. [00:01:51] Speaker A: Yeah, this is. This is really great. Thank you. First, the tippy top. I just want to say I. And Stephanie agrees with me. I love your love, guys. Like, there is this energy that comes out of here, this sweetness that comes out of your show. I forgot what episode it was. But you guys were talking about wintertime, and Jeremy had to go out and do some stuff. And Tracy, you were like, well, I'm gonna go with you just to make sure you're safe because the roads are bad or whatever. And there was just like, this, like, so super tenderness to it, because, honestly, when I first started listening, I guess I didn't pick up that you guys were actually married. And then it's like, after a while, I was like, I think these people need to get together. [00:02:27] Speaker D: Well, they won't be. [00:02:28] Speaker A: There's a chemistry here that. Undeniable. So I just like, man, you guys are so sweet to each other. It's. It's super cute. It really brings, like. You know, there's a lot of couples that do podcasts out there, but it. There's a. There's a fakeness to it. And, yeah, you're just. You're so genuine with each other. It's. It's. It's awesome. You know, like a lot of podcasts, I think people look for that thing where you, like, you feel like you're hanging out with family or friends, you know? You know, there's a lot of celebrities out there. Celebrities nowadays will just, oh, I got nothing going on. I can make a quick meal. I'll just do a podcast, and I'll bring my celebrity friends on there. And it's easy. It's all. Everything's all baked in. VR is baked in. You know, but there's. There's a disgenuousness. Is that a word? [00:03:10] Speaker D: Disingenuous? [00:03:11] Speaker A: Thank you. We need all those prefixes just to say. Anyway. [00:03:17] Speaker D: Did we check to see if we could say the F and the S? [00:03:20] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. So sorry. No, no, no. [00:03:23] Speaker D: I just. [00:03:23] Speaker A: No. Stephanie did have to have a quick, like, side with me before this. She was like. She's. She censored me a little bit. She was like, let's. You know what I mean? Let's keep it to. [00:03:32] Speaker C: We talked about gory murder and ghost stories and different things. All patrons. So. [00:03:40] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, you're paying for the F words in the bodily. [00:03:43] Speaker A: That's right. Bodily fluids is what Stephanie specifically told me to stay away from. And I'm gonna do my. My very bestest. [00:03:50] Speaker D: I'll let you say. Come on the next twice. Don't say it on this. [00:03:55] Speaker A: That's great. And I'm gonna. Now that the. Comes out of the bottle, it's hard for me to. Gotcha. [00:04:02] Speaker C: Oh, man, that is amazing. But, yeah, we've had. We. For those of you that have listened to the Willowbrook episode, we got together with a bunch of different podcasts, had each person write a little. I. You know, we started the story and then had everybody build off of it, and it created this amazing storytelling, and we've done the, you know, trailer trades and stuff like that. You guys have all heard their trailer on our podcast as well. And. But like I said, if you haven't listened to them, you must. They put so much into it, and you will be literally busting a gut laughing at their show. I do. Every time. [00:04:44] Speaker B: I did, too. [00:04:45] Speaker A: That's awesome. It makes me feel really. Yeah, that makes me feel really good. And I already feel pretty great about myself all the time, so kudos to you. [00:04:53] Speaker D: Yeah. One of our goals is to give you hernias, so that makes us. If you bust a gut, then mission accomplished. [00:05:00] Speaker C: I just wish I had a fraction of the humor, the natural humor. I just. I'll say things off the wall sometimes that are funny, but most of the time, I'm. I'm just. It was my brother, I think, was born with all the humor. I got all the artistic stuff, and my brother got the humor. I did not. [00:05:18] Speaker D: Oh, well, you know, you guys are. You guys are doing all this hard work to Lift others up. Yeah. You disagree? Oh, with that she's. That she's not. Well, no, I agree. I think. [00:05:30] Speaker A: We'Re gross humor. You guys are sweet humor. You know what I mean? Like, there's an absolute difference to that. We're like our is shock value, you know, for the most part, which is like base level comedy. You know what I mean? [00:05:44] Speaker D: And we don't really write the jokes, so we just are sometimes just going for the lowest Common denomination goes for the lowest. [00:05:52] Speaker A: All the effort is really done by Stephanie after the show. [00:05:58] Speaker D: Cleaning hard, taking that out hard. [00:06:00] Speaker C: Thing is when you. You guys primarily do true crime and it is hard to bring some kind to it, some kind of comedy to it, but you need to have something that's necessary. And that's why we did the both paranormal and true crime, because we can have fun with the paranormal. [00:06:19] Speaker A: But yeah, you can call aliens fucking dickheads. You can say whatever you want about them. It doesn't matter. We just did an episode, you know. So the premise of the show, the people who don't know, is we review old episodes of Unsolved Mysteries and some of some of the newer Netflix ones with which I always shit on because they're terrible. [00:06:38] Speaker D: Yes. [00:06:39] Speaker A: And then we solve these mysteries to comedic effect. We praise our Lord and savior, Robert Stack through throughout the show. We just did an episode that unfortunately touched on child abuse and then sex slave. And boy, were those jokes tough. [00:06:55] Speaker D: Yeah, very funny. [00:06:58] Speaker C: And for those of you that are listening and not watching, go to YouTube, put this on and watch because you'll see Zach, he's got his stack jacket on the trench coat. Perfect. [00:07:12] Speaker A: It's never been washed. It smells absolutely awful because it gets very hot. I mean, I live in an old house and the AC is not super great. So even, you know, wintertime, summertime, doesn't matter. I come out of this room soaked in sweating, and it's almost like, you know, your lucky jersey when you're playing peewee football and you just keep winning the big games. I'm not. I'm never gonna wash it. I'm never gonna wash it. [00:07:36] Speaker C: Yeah, we're waiting for our first summer. Jeremy just built. You know, as you see our studios, they're actually side. You know, like he built them in our garage. And so they're like eight by eight studios. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Oh, it's awesome. [00:07:46] Speaker C: And so we have complete isolation from each other now, and there's no heat or air in them yet, so. Well, we have little floor heaters, but for the most part, they stay pretty warm when you're in here, closed in, but in the summer, I'm curious to see. We're looking at getting some time. [00:08:05] Speaker B: It's gonna be a sweat box. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, those Toshiba makes like those really nice, like, half and half acs that I see a lot of people put in their studios. They're not super cheap, but it's. It's a lot better than getting a full, like, additional H vac. There was one other compliment I want to make super quick. Your opening music. Jeremy, did you write that? Yeah, it's still. It is really good. [00:08:31] Speaker C: I love it. [00:08:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's really good. [00:08:34] Speaker C: He actually mentioned something about should we change our music? I'm like, no, no. I'm always, like, banging out to ev. No matter how many times I hear it. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:43] Speaker B: But the issue with that music is it, you know, it's copyrighted and they. [00:08:47] Speaker C: Have it on the free download sites. [00:08:51] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:08:52] Speaker B: YouTube tries to flag it, like once every three months, so, yeah, we have. [00:08:58] Speaker C: To go through the process of proving that. Yeah. [00:09:01] Speaker D: Oh, what a pain. [00:09:02] Speaker B: So I. I have a friend that I actually. I want to try to get him to make us a new intro song. [00:09:09] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah, I saw the synthesizer back there. What is that? [00:09:13] Speaker D: Yeah, I was gonna. [00:09:15] Speaker B: What? Yamaha. Yamaha keyboard. [00:09:18] Speaker A: Oh, cool. [00:09:19] Speaker B: Just to learn on. [00:09:20] Speaker C: He had his guitars hanging in the background before, too, so we still need to get his guitars. [00:09:25] Speaker A: Yeah, get the guitar. You got to get them up. Off. Well, sometimes I play them too. Yeah, sometimes I'm not good. I know how to play a lot of instruments very, very poorly. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I'm gonna try this and. Well, I'm not gonna get a good at it instantly, so I'll put it in the corner and buy something else. [00:09:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm kind of like that too. [00:09:46] Speaker C: Yeah, he likes to collect the instruments. [00:09:49] Speaker B: Oh, I have so many toys. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Yeah, big time. Like guns, guitars, synthesizers. [00:09:55] Speaker C: We have a few of those too. You guys got pets? [00:09:57] Speaker B: Yeah, two of them. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Are you pet people? [00:09:59] Speaker C: Oh, that's right. [00:10:00] Speaker D: I've seen the pop pictures. [00:10:05] Speaker B: Bulldogs. [00:10:06] Speaker A: My. My Internet connection just died. I missed all of them. [00:10:09] Speaker D: Oh, you're good. Oh, we're. They have two dogs. I forgot the names already. [00:10:13] Speaker C: Harley and Macy. [00:10:14] Speaker D: Harley and Maisie. You good, Zach? Yeah, you got a little blurry for a second. [00:10:18] Speaker C: We can see you now. [00:10:19] Speaker A: Great. Yeah, I'm still. I'm still on. On a wireless connection back here. I haven't paid the money to send the fiber Ethernet. Well, Google Fiber finally coming to my neighborhood. We can tell Spectrum to fuck, right Off. I hate them so much. I mean, I'm a little nervous about having Google into my home. You know what I mean? [00:10:38] Speaker D: No, they're great. [00:10:39] Speaker C: It's great. [00:10:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:40] Speaker C: We just finally got fiber in our neighborhood, what, about a year, year and a half ago? [00:10:45] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm excited. [00:10:47] Speaker C: Game changer before that. [00:10:50] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. It's a world of difference. [00:10:51] Speaker C: Oh, totally. [00:10:52] Speaker A: Is it really? [00:10:54] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:10:55] Speaker D: You're going to love it. [00:10:56] Speaker C: I can't wait. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Pornography in 4K. This is going to be awesome. [00:10:59] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [00:11:01] Speaker C: You'll get to see everything. [00:11:03] Speaker E: That's the thing. [00:11:04] Speaker D: You might not want to. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah. When HD came in, you're like, this is. I understand why we turn the lights off now. [00:11:13] Speaker C: We have a TV in our. We have like a little guest, like a little guest cabin, mother in law suite or whatever. The original cabin on our property. Oh, and we turned it into a place. We've got family from out of state that comes and stays and we have this, you know, 80 inch Samsung TV out there. And it was the first 4K TV that we had. And when you look at it, a lot of times I'm like, you can see every hair and pour and everything on their skin. I don't know if I like this. [00:11:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know if it's. I don't know if this is better. [00:11:46] Speaker C: Right. [00:11:47] Speaker A: Well, you guys are into the tech. You guys are techie. Your tech people? Yeah. [00:11:52] Speaker C: Used to be in the computer field. [00:11:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could. I got that vibe. [00:11:57] Speaker C: Yeah, we. We're losing it a little bit, but trying to stay on top of it. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm, you know, I, I work in an industry that uses a lot of technology and I am a surprisingly a moron with it because I've never, I've never had to be good at anything. I just keep kind of just looking in. [00:12:15] Speaker D: You're failing up, hon. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Honestly? Yes, I literally tripping into good things since I was a teenager. It's like, oh, I thought that was gonna go terrible. And now it's fine. [00:12:27] Speaker C: It's got that lucky horseshoe up. [00:12:28] Speaker A: I see. I think it is. Yeah, I. Yeah, it's, you know, I'm Irish, so I was born under a dark cloud, but it was a lucky cloud at that. [00:12:36] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. I'm Irish too. I'm the only non redhead out of my whole. Well, my mom and I were not redheads, but my dad, my brother and my sister are all redheads. [00:12:46] Speaker A: I also have the shame of gingers in my family. My mom was super redheaded. My grandfather died one year ago this past January. He was 92. And the very top of his head was still red. White on the sides, still bushy, red on top. You know, he is a cliche. Literally everybody called him red. You know, and then my youngest sister, like that thick, you know, ancient jeans, red hair. [00:13:13] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my family too. It's crazy, but I got the no hair. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's easy. You get up. [00:13:22] Speaker D: Good look. [00:13:22] Speaker A: Oh, it's. It is red right now, but that's high blood pressure. [00:13:27] Speaker D: Not genetics. [00:13:28] Speaker A: Yeah, well, no, that's genetic too. That's true. [00:13:33] Speaker C: Stand well, why don't you guys give a quick, you know, let everybody know where they can find you and then we'll kind of get into. They're going to be treating us to a story this time, so we get the shock factor. [00:13:47] Speaker D: All right. Well, yeah, we are. Like Zach said, like Tracy said, we are Zach Solved Mysteries podcast. You can find us on just about all of the social medias SM podcast and follow us there. We are bi weekly, so every other Friday we put out episodes. We'll get weekly eventually, I hope, but until. [00:14:09] Speaker C: That's a lot of work. [00:14:10] Speaker A: It's a lot of work. [00:14:12] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, a lot of work. [00:14:13] Speaker A: I. My job is pretty seasonal, so there's like a 90 day period in the spring and a 90 day period in the fall where I work, basically work every day. And so that makes it super tough even to do the two weeks, which is why we're always pumping the Patreon. So go do Patreon at ZSM podcast and try to help us make this our only job. We could do that. [00:14:37] Speaker C: Think of the content we could all do. [00:14:40] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:14:41] Speaker D: Oh, I would be so happy. [00:14:43] Speaker A: That's the. It's the future. It's the future of, of. Of entertainment. Even movies are dying, which I hate to say because all of us here love, love cinema and not just like, like, I love movies. I love everything about a movie. Not just like the movie itself, but like the lighting, how it's made, like all of it, you know, and. But it's a dying thing. One of it is attention span. So Stephanie and I have been talking about, like, how, how do we do the YouTube? No, I don't think we're going to do like full episodes. I think we're just going to try to stick to like shorts style. I don't know, at least for now. But yeah, if we could just only do that because that's what everybody is consuming right now and that's One that's one of the cool things about what's going on in, in this, in this realm is we have a bunch of really smart content creators that are DIY. And this. Obviously it's been going on like this 10, 12 years, but I don't. I think this is an industry that not only remains this way, but is. Is going to continue to be like this. It's. It's almost in a weird way, like, you know, when rock and roll first hit and like, any kid can grab a guitar and if they're good enough at it, they can make something of it. And I think that's where we're at now with, with podcasting and all, just general content creation. I think it. I think if you're, if you're, if you're wise, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of noise to cut through, but, you know, and doing net networking like this, I think and building these strong relationships is such a big part of it, because we do have giant corporations that are, that are in this realm that we're absolutely competing against and will destroy. And so this is. It's. So, once again, thank you guys so much for having us to do this. I think it's super fun, for sure. [00:16:30] Speaker C: Yes, definitely. [00:16:31] Speaker D: Absolutely. [00:16:32] Speaker C: And with those YouTube shorts and the whole YouTube genre now, like, my nephew, 17 years old, just started a YouTube channel, what, a month? Maybe two months, maybe two. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:44] Speaker C: And he's already up to almost 900 followers. He's got his first hundred, 100K video hit. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Wow. [00:16:51] Speaker C: I'm like, kid, we've been doing for years, but he's doing, like, you know, he'll take video of, like, when they're out on their snowmobiling trips in the mountains and stuff, and he's, you, like, replaying other people's content. Like, you know, how did this boat hit this rock? And then that was the hundred thousand video is them driving by a pontoon that was up on a rock and abandoned. And I'm like, I need to figure out something. Because I think the most we've had on a short is maybe, what, 800 views maybe. [00:17:24] Speaker D: And that was a lot. [00:17:25] Speaker A: I would love 800 people to look at me. [00:17:27] Speaker C: It's a rarity all at once. But ours are, you know, our shorts are mostly just clips, small clips that we make with. With our episode and stuff. So I want to get into doing some more creepy content and stuff like that. And actually, we, like I mentioned before we started recording, we had Jameson Newlander from the Lost Boys on. And him and Corey Feldman went out with another. With. With a couple paranormal. Blah blah. A couple paranormal investigators. And they investigated. I don't remember. It was. Do you remember where. Gettysburg maybe. [00:18:06] Speaker B: Yeah, Gettysburg. [00:18:07] Speaker C: Okay. A lot of ghosts there. [00:18:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's palpable. It really is. [00:18:10] Speaker C: Right. And they had turned it into like a five. A short, five, you know, thing episode. It was him and Corey. Jameson Newlander and Corey Feldman went with this team. And so when we had him on, I was like, that was the crossover episode I did not realize we needed. But Corey and. Let's hook something up. We will take you guys. They didn't really catch anything and you're not always going to, but Jameson was sick the whole time. He had this horrible gastro, you know, issue going on. So he spent the majority of the investigation in the bathroom, which they poked a lot of fun at. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:18:50] Speaker C: Right. [00:18:50] Speaker A: Comedy Brown. Yeah. [00:18:55] Speaker C: I was like, the. The demons had possessed you. They possessed your stomach, your guts. [00:19:00] Speaker A: Yeah, the gas station poutine demons. [00:19:03] Speaker C: But I'm like, how fun would that be to go on a ghost hun hunt with Jameson and Corey? [00:19:10] Speaker A: It would. [00:19:10] Speaker D: Oh my gosh. [00:19:11] Speaker A: A dream I did not know I had. [00:19:13] Speaker C: Right, right. [00:19:16] Speaker A: I have so many questions for Corey Feldman. So. Yeah, so many questions that I definitely. A lawyer would tell me to not ask. You know, the awfulness of Hollywood. Like, we talk about this in our show a lot. About how please don't feed your children to the Hollywood machine because it eats kids, you know, and. And that poor bastard and what he went through, what his parents did to him, taking all his money. It's so sad. [00:19:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:43] Speaker A: But you know, he just. He just did a opening tour. He did the opening slot with Limp Bizkit last summer. [00:19:49] Speaker C: Like, heard that. [00:19:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I had some friends go see the show in Dallas and they said he was awesome. Yeah. It's all he does now. He works super hard on that whole thing. The music's not my cup of tea, but like he's putting literally, I think a lot of people on him. [00:20:05] Speaker E: And it's fair. [00:20:05] Speaker A: I think it's easy to do this. This man, he's defied all of his trauma and all the. And honestly, all the Internet haters, and he still puts his heart and soul into every performance. Right. And there's just. [00:20:19] Speaker D: He's unabashedly himself. [00:20:20] Speaker A: Yeah, he's unabashedly Corey Feldman forever. He's never changed once. Except for the period where he pretended to be Michael Jackson for the last 35 years. Yeah. [00:20:32] Speaker C: Yeah. There was of. Excuse Me, the frog in my throat. I guess years ago, they had talked about bringing. Starting, like, a TV show that was in relation to the Lost Boys. And then they changed it and decided they wanted it to be the Lost Girls. And so if you go out to Corey Feldman's YouTube channel, him and Jameson did an interview in drag. They. They did a little skit where they were interviewing for the Lost Girls and they were both dressed up in drag. It is so funny. [00:21:11] Speaker A: Oh, I bet it's awesome. [00:21:13] Speaker C: Corey makes an awesome, amazing woman. I mean. [00:21:18] Speaker A: Absolutely. He has the bone structure for it. Very creamy skin. [00:21:22] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. You have to go out and watch it. It is hilarious. That's. [00:21:28] Speaker D: I'm writing that down right now. [00:21:29] Speaker C: Yes, it's. I. Jeremy found it and sent it to me and I was just busting a gut during it. [00:21:35] Speaker D: It was really amazing. [00:21:37] Speaker C: So it's fun to see that them. They still have that, you know, kinship after all these years and stuff. [00:21:42] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, what a. What a huge movie for. For all of them, you know. [00:21:48] Speaker C: Right. [00:21:48] Speaker A: And, you know, I'm. I'm 48 years old, you know, so Corey Feldman, like, his first several. License to Drive. I love that movie. You know, the two Coreys rip. Corey Haim. What a terribly, horribly sad story. Yeah, but like, there were so many Feldman movies. Like, I think, remember the burbs? [00:22:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:22:10] Speaker C: Yes. Awesome. [00:22:10] Speaker A: In the burbs. Yeah, I'm in that movie. That's such a fun movie. What is it? Oh, he's chanting that the devil is good. [00:22:19] Speaker D: The devil is the devil is my friend. [00:22:21] Speaker A: The devil is good. The devil is my friend. Good stuff. [00:22:25] Speaker C: Yeah. He is pretty iconic. I mean, he's got a lot of great roles. I mean, my nephews are. Or our nephews are what, 12 and 10? And their go to movie is the Goonies. They love the Goonies. [00:22:38] Speaker A: Timeless film. [00:22:39] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. My sister, I was telling her about the, you know, talking about the ghost hunt with Jameson and Corey, and she told my oldest nephew and he's like, mom, are people swarming their house thinking that, you know, we were, you know, they were coming to our house and, you know, he was thinking that all these people would be like, swarming. Oh, my gosh, that's so cute and innocent. [00:23:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:04] Speaker C: No, nobody swarm in our house. [00:23:06] Speaker A: I think the people that live. That live in that house do get kind of like the people that live in the. The Walter White House in New Mexico. Like, they have had to put signs up over the years, like, leave us the alone. We're just regular people. We Mistakenly bought this house and now we're stuck in it. Like, take off. [00:23:21] Speaker D: There's still a pizza on the roof. [00:23:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:24] Speaker C: John from Dairyland Frights, he almost bought. Which was it? The Amityville. Amityville or the Con. [00:23:31] Speaker D: I was gonna say people still live in that house in Amity. [00:23:33] Speaker C: Yeah. I can't remember which one it was. I think it was Amityville. [00:23:37] Speaker A: That would be a very expensive home nowadays. It's. It's, you know, it's a nice part of Long Island. You know what I mean? [00:23:43] Speaker C: That. Yeah, it was in the. On the East Coast. But he said he went there and he talked to the realtor and stuff, and she was like, it is not haunted. I spend a ton of time in it. I. You know, nobody has had any issues. The only issue that you're going to have is people showing up in your yard and house all hours of the day. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:05] Speaker C: And that's what the people that were living in it were encountering. People are just bothering them constantly. [00:24:11] Speaker A: Well, don't do that shit. In Texas, you get shot. [00:24:13] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [00:24:14] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:24:15] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I mean, it's. Amityville has been kind of debunked because several people have lived in that home since the people that wrote the book lived in there. And they're like, there's nothing going on in here. That guy was just, like, in debt and insane. [00:24:28] Speaker D: There was a murder. No, it was the kid. [00:24:31] Speaker A: Oh, sure, right. [00:24:32] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:24:33] Speaker A: The people that lived in the home afterwards, the ones that. That wrote the book. [00:24:37] Speaker D: Right, right. They weren't. [00:24:38] Speaker A: They were just super stressed. That was stress psychosis. They had a failing business and a failing marriage. It was a lot. It's a lot not going good within the home. [00:24:47] Speaker C: Right. [00:24:47] Speaker A: And I think that's what brings a lot of ghosts out is just like a bad marriage. [00:24:51] Speaker D: Demons. [00:24:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:24:53] Speaker C: All sorts of them. [00:24:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:55] Speaker C: But, yeah, so he decided not to. Not to buy it because he wanted the, you know, the whole experience with it. But. Yeah. And then speaking of houses that people say are haunted, that aren't really haunted, I guess Ghost Adventures is going to. In their new season, is going to be investigating the house that Poltergeist was shot in. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:17] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:25:22] Speaker C: It was the movie that was cursed and the house wasn't legit haunted, you know? [00:25:27] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. It was a poltergeist. Poltergeist haunt people. [00:25:31] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Is that. That's the thing, Right. [00:25:33] Speaker C: Or manifested by people. [00:25:34] Speaker D: Yeah, right, right. [00:25:35] Speaker A: Because they're more like a tulpa. Right. They're more like. Like a. Like a psychic energy than they are like a spooky ghost haunting. [00:25:44] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:45] Speaker C: And a lot of times they say poltergeists are more prevalent or generated more. Like when you have somebody going through puberty. [00:25:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:55] Speaker C: Emotions and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:25:58] Speaker A: Well, in that. The infield haunting in England. [00:26:01] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:26:02] Speaker A: That there was like two girls going through like the Monarch, as they say in the book, which is a super weird word to say. Puberty. Yeah, yeah. Guy play. Guy Playfair, the guy that wrote the book references the word monarch. [00:26:21] Speaker C: I've never heard that. [00:26:23] Speaker D: Yeah, I've only heard of that. [00:26:24] Speaker A: It's a gross. [00:26:25] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:29] Speaker E: What did you just say? [00:26:30] Speaker D: That's what the menses. That's like the official like scientific biologic name for. You're entering menses. That's why Menstruation. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Oh. Because to me it sounds like it's like a short word for menstruation. Like I'm in my menses, you know. [00:26:43] Speaker C: It kind of sounds like a Gen Z word. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:47] Speaker C: And we're also far from Gen Z. [00:26:50] Speaker A: No. Thank Christ. Late stage Gen Xer here. And I wear it proudly. [00:26:55] Speaker D: Well, the Gen Z's recognize the Gen Xers at least unlike the millennials and unlike the boomers those two generations thought were the only. We're the only two generations that exist. So Gen Z is like hell yeah. Gen X. You're really cool. In my experience. [00:27:09] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's crazy. I still, you know, have my 20 year old mentality brain, but my 49 year old body doesn't agree with me. Oh my God. [00:27:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm, I'm dealing with that right now. It's just like I've realized that there is a God and they are very, very cruel. Because just as you gain wisdom and knowledge, you, your faculties literally fall away from you like so many leaves in autumn. You know what I mean? It's. And I told my wife long ago, I was like, the day I can't climb a tree, I'm going to, I'm going to go in the woods like a cat and just lay, lay down and die. You know what I mean? You know, my body starts really failing me. I'm out. I'm not hanging out for that because it's the, the, the whole aging process is literally. It's a study in cruelty and I'm mad about it. [00:28:00] Speaker C: We should be able to come in, you know, at the older age. [00:28:04] Speaker D: Benjamin Buttons that just, I don't understand. [00:28:07] Speaker A: Why they just don't do it that way. [00:28:09] Speaker C: Right. [00:28:10] Speaker A: That makes the most sense. [00:28:12] Speaker C: It does. It really does. Because, I mean, you'd be able to get more enjoyment. You wouldn't have to work when you're elderly, but you can work when you're younger. [00:28:22] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Especially now, the way the laws are changing, I'd legally be able to work at 10 years old, which I guess would be 90 years old. So this is all making a lot of sense to me. [00:28:30] Speaker C: Totally. Absolutely. [00:28:32] Speaker D: Make it happen. [00:28:35] Speaker C: I agree with that 110%. We have very physical jobs, and I'm over it. [00:28:41] Speaker A: Oh, Yeah. I work 12, 13, 14 hours often, and it's like, and I don't, you know, I'm three, almost four years sober now. It was a lot easier when I was on drugs, and now, like, I got bad knees and no drugs, so it's like, this is tough. [00:28:58] Speaker C: Well, congratulations on your sobriety. That's awesome. [00:29:00] Speaker A: Thank you so much. It's, it's, it takes a community and, you know, hardship, but it's, it's been great. I, you know, the way I looked at it was like, I've, I've, I've partied enough for seven lifetimes. All of this has shown me everything it's ever gonna show me. And there's no more knowledge I can glean from this, if I can put it in an academic sense. But I'm glad I had those experiences. I'm glad I'm alive now and healthy. And, you know, I do have some chickens, some, Some health chickens coming home to roost, as it were, which, you know, we're gonna take those things as. As they come, but it turns out you can't. I didn't treat this like a temple. I treated this like a liquor store parking lot. And I'm paying for some of that a little bit here and there right now, but it's been good. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's a lot easier than I thought it would be. Although I still have my. [00:29:52] Speaker C: You gotta have something. [00:29:54] Speaker A: Cannabis will always be a part of my life because I now, I do truly treat it like a medicine. I did, I did abuse cannabis four years. Not for four years anyway. Right, right. But I, you know, I truly, it's, I, It's a, it's a medicine. It's so crazy to me in Texas right now. You know, a lot of people for the last several years, they've been that loophole where you can get thca out of hemp if you, you know, deride it in a certain way and say, Texas is trying to take all that away. But they'll just push liquor on any old person, you know what I mean? [00:30:28] Speaker D: They'll deliver it to you now. [00:30:29] Speaker A: Yeah, they'll just deliver it to you. [00:30:30] Speaker D: Which I'm a fan of. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Me. You know, the dichotomy, you know, and just the, the collective psychosis of America that something that I, me personally, for Zach, considers like abject poison. And then there's this plant that sometimes opens the third eye, man, and makes you see through the. And that's what the government doesn't want, baby. Even though Colorado went legal in 2015, and since then they have made over $30 billion in tax revenue that went directly back into education, illicit drug deaths have dropped by half over the last 10 years in the state of Colorado. Now fentanyl is kind of fucked that up a little bit in the last four or five years. But they saw an immediate decrease in overdoses after going legalization in Colorado, an immediate decrease because now people could soothe themselves with something. That one was no longer on the black market. So it's regulated. Right? And Colorado has some problems with their regulation. They're not as staunch in the regulation as California, but it's, it's, you know, and now in certain states they've started, they've legalized psilocybin and MDMA for, for psychological research. But even beyond that, in Colorado, like, you can go buy, you know, certain strands of psilocybin mushrooms, which is something I also, at least once a year, I eat seven grams. I kill the whole ego, do the whole like, spirit journey. I asked my wife, seven, once a year, right around Christmas time, I eat seven grams of mushrooms. I asked my wife, I'm like, what is it like? She's like, you basically just walk in and out of the house for 12 hours mumbling to yourself and occasionally you'll cry. But there's something to it for me. And it's just, there's all these naturally derived things that they just one like, look, if we're gonna be capitalists, let's fucking. Let's be capitalist, then let's make some goddamn money. And there's a market to getting up, right? And I. The problem is the alcohol market kills its clientele, right? Where you know, when the natural derived substances that get you up. Nobody's dying, nobody dies from marijuana. Like nobody dies from, from mushrooms. Unless you can, you can freak yourself out and jump off a roof, sure. But that's, you know, that's all new, buddy. [00:32:38] Speaker C: There's been so many studies on how beneficial both of those things are, right? You Know, the, the microdosing, the macro dosing, you know, and all that, all of that stuff. I haven't. I'm neither. Jeremy and I are big drinkers. Never have been. You know, if we have people over, we'll socially have drinks here and there. More so me than him. He just. Just doesn't like the taste of alcohol. And I've tried edibles a couple times and had different, different effects, you know, with it. The first time I took one, I think it was the first time we did the Alison Botha story and ended up bawling through the whole recording. And we had to redo it. So that wasn't good because that's such a tragic, tragic story. And then another time, I did it a couple, two other times, I think. And once was what we had people over and it was just. I couldn't stop laughing, you know, otherwise, just. I get sleepy. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:33:38] Speaker C: Jeremy had a really bad backache, or really bad. His back was hurting really bad. And we were having a get together, I think. Was it the Halloween party or a different party? [00:33:49] Speaker B: Actually, I don't remember. [00:33:50] Speaker C: I don't either. [00:33:51] Speaker B: It was bad. Whatever. [00:33:53] Speaker C: It was bad because he had never. [00:33:56] Speaker B: I was to that point that I was ready to jump off the roof. [00:34:00] Speaker A: Back pain. God, that's awful. [00:34:02] Speaker C: Well, no, the. The people of our neighbors overdosed him on. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [00:34:09] Speaker C: They gave him an brownie that had THC in it. And he told him to take half and he ate half. And then like a half an hour later, they were like, anything. [00:34:20] Speaker D: Half hour. [00:34:21] Speaker A: You have to wait two hours. You have to wait two hours before you redo. [00:34:25] Speaker C: So then they told him to eat the other half. And then he still wasn't feeling anything. And they gave him three candies. [00:34:31] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. [00:34:33] Speaker C: So my son, who was what, 24, 25 at the time, comes in and grabs me. He's like, you need to go out to the guest house. Jeremy needs you. And I go in there and he's like hyperventilating. He's like, oh, yeah, I need to go to the hospital. I need to go to the hospital. Like, my heart's not working. And just, just he was freaking out. And then two seconds later he'd be like, laughing hysterically. And then he went right back to the freak out. So I had to, like, keep him calm. Oh. But I didn't understand because I'm not somebody who uses that normally. So it's like I didn't understand. Now I do the amount that he actually took, and I was like, yeah, he won't touch it now. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Like 100 milligrams or more, which is a lot of weed. [00:35:15] Speaker B: I thought I was gonna die that night. [00:35:16] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah, he really did. [00:35:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:35:20] Speaker D: And then I've been there. I've been there, too. [00:35:22] Speaker C: Yeah. He would just bust out laughing, and then I would laugh, and then he'd look at me like, why are you laughing at me? [00:35:29] Speaker A: You're self conscious when you're freaking out on weed, for sure. That's hilarious. I'm sorry that happened to you. Yeah, yeah. [00:35:37] Speaker C: The most I've ever done is five. The five milligrams or whatever. [00:35:41] Speaker A: So if you're not. If you're not in a legal state, I forget it is Minnesota medical. [00:35:48] Speaker D: Oh, it's fully legal. [00:35:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:49] Speaker A: But so Texas still very illegal. And you kind of never know what you're getting. Like, the package could say California. Be like, yeah, maybe. You know what I mean? It could be 5 milligrams, but that. It could be 25 milligrams. [00:36:00] Speaker C: Right. [00:36:00] Speaker A: You know, I'm always real edibles. Either I either immediately fall asleep on edibles or, like, the same thing. Like, I start, like, having, like, super panic attacks, you know, Especially if it's like. If it's like a heavy, like, sativa, which is fine. Like sativa. Cannabis is great if you got something to do. If you don't have something to do. And then my particular brand of ADHD and ocd, where it's just like a ruling. Thoughts of the most horrible things that can happen to you, and they're happening immediately, you know, it's kind of, you know, because it sparks that creative part of your brain. But if you've got nowhere to go and you're just kind of a boomer like I am, it sparks, like, the dark creativity of just like. Well, this. Everything's, you know, I, I. Yeah, that's when I get into my whole, like, you know. Oh, exist. The futility of existence. [00:36:53] Speaker C: The third eye is going, blink, blink. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Well, yeah. Blink, blink. [00:36:57] Speaker D: Third eye needs Visine. [00:36:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it needs a hug. Don't hug an eyeball. Because it'd be all hug the eyeball. Like hugging a beach ball. Squeaky. [00:37:11] Speaker C: All right, well, I think that you guys should start getting into your story. I'm excited to hear it. [00:37:18] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Zach, do you want. Or do you. Would you like me to. [00:37:21] Speaker A: So this we're talking about John List, right? Is that what we're. Yeah, yeah. Great. [00:37:25] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:37:25] Speaker A: So I was listening to your Watchers episode, which is the same city, and you and you briefly go over the John List murders in that episode. And so I texted Stephanie and I was like, like, hey, this is what we got to do. And then we reviewed our Patreon only. So if you want to hear it, there's one way to do that. I'll send you a link. If you guys are listening, text me. I'll send you a link. So I was like, we. Let's do John List. Because I don't think they've done a full John List. We went. We did a super deep dive. He's a piece of. So we can just say whatever we want about him. His wife. It's not too much better. We're. I think we're. Helen's actually gonna make an appearance today. We'll see. And so, yeah, we just. We're like, let's. It. Let's talk about John List again. Because. Honest. Yeah. You know, if. I'm probably the world's best at being humble, and I got to be honest, that John List episode is one of our best. [00:38:16] Speaker D: It's really good. [00:38:17] Speaker C: That story is insane. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:20] Speaker C: He's a family annihilator. If you. [00:38:22] Speaker A: For the people. [00:38:23] Speaker D: Kind of the only family. [00:38:25] Speaker A: I'm telling you about it, but you're. [00:38:26] Speaker D: Talking to the people. [00:38:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:38:27] Speaker D: John List. It was in 71. He was in a lot of debt, as most family annihilators are. [00:38:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:34] Speaker D: And he was. [00:38:35] Speaker A: They never just wake up up and just kill their whole family for no reason. It's definitely because he's bad at money. [00:38:41] Speaker D: Well, he. He felt that poverty was a sin, which I think Jesus was super into poverty, you know, money being the root of all evil and everything, but he thought that was a sin. And so to save his family and to send them to heaven to save them for the shame, he murdered his two sons, I think it was, and his wife and his mother who was living there. [00:39:03] Speaker A: And a daughter. There's a daughter. He killed a daughter, too. [00:39:05] Speaker D: Oh, there was a daughter, right? The daughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thought she was a. Because she wanted to be an actress. [00:39:10] Speaker A: He was wearing a belly shirt. In his defense, she was wearing a belly shirt mid drift in 1971. Come on. [00:39:17] Speaker C: Say. I say it as. But I love how you say that. That. [00:39:22] Speaker D: Well, I normally say horror, but I felt hor softened it a bit. [00:39:27] Speaker A: It's kind of whimsical when it's who. [00:39:29] Speaker D: It's like Soprano. It's like James Gandolfini. James G. It. Yeah. [00:39:35] Speaker A: That's speaking of, you know, Jesus. And today, as we all are. This is Palm Sunday, as we're recording this today. And this, this is, you know, Jesus comes into Jerusalem. Literally they lay all the palms out for him and the camels and everything that he's riding on. And the 12 guys that he definitely jointly hangs out with are coming into Jerusalem. And this is when he goes into the temple and he flips over the. He flips out, flips a money changing table over. [00:40:01] Speaker D: He's. [00:40:01] Speaker A: He, he. When he drives all of them out with a whip, you know what I mean? And that back to the poverty thing, like that's pretty much like his stamp of approval on money being gross. And so John List grew up in this like super staunch, you know, I don't know how people from Minnesota feel about Michiganders. I'm not a huge fan. [00:40:21] Speaker D: A guy from Michigan ruined my credit. [00:40:23] Speaker A: So see. Oh no, see, you can't trust them. So you know, a super, super staunch Lutheran and we're talking old world. His parents fresh off the boat from. Well wasn't even Germany at the time. When they, when they came over to the States it was still like, you know, all the different Bavarias and bullshit. So yeah, it's their, their form of Lutheranism was literally it was a sin to be impoverished if you didn't get up and go to work every day and give it your maximum. And then at the same time it was all about the image. And that's, that's really to me like the, the story within the story of John List. If your whole world is image once to something that Jesus said, you're building your house on sand, not on rock. That is always going to collapse. We see it all the time now with these influencers and their lives just go to. Because their, their entire identity is this fake projection. And in this case what we're talking about literally led to the annihilation of six people. [00:41:24] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, he figured it. Oh, sorry. You'll go ahead. [00:41:26] Speaker C: I was gonna say I grew up with half my family be family being Jehovah Witness. [00:41:31] Speaker A: Oh wow. [00:41:31] Speaker C: A little too familiar. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Serious. That's serious stuff. [00:41:34] Speaker D: No holidays or birthdays for you, huh? [00:41:36] Speaker C: Well, no, my. Luckily my dad did not continue. So yeah, it's the other half. [00:41:42] Speaker D: Okay, good. [00:41:43] Speaker A: Speaking of poverty, that church sucks a lot of money out of those families. They're. They're a very wealthy organization when it comes to, you know, religious corporations. [00:41:54] Speaker C: Right. Yeah, it's. [00:41:56] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:41:57] Speaker C: In a lot of the stories that you hear even like I think this was pre recording but we were talking about Ed Gein. He had religion shoved. Shoved down. [00:42:06] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:42:06] Speaker C: You know so it's a religion. Usually. Not that religion is a bad thing, but when you are, you know, doing it to the extreme like that. Yeah, something's got to give sometimes. And unfortunately. [00:42:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no, I think it's, you know, I always say religion, bad faith. Good, good. Right, right. You know, and. And definitely, if you, if you, if you're. If. If your church is truly a community and you're truly out there helping folks and you're really doing the thing. That's beautiful. Give us more of that in the world. If your church is like 47,000 square feet and the guy that runs that thing has a. Has a airplane, that's bad, that's a company, it should be taxed. You know what I'm saying? Like, where do we find that line in there? You know, Are there preachers? There's got to be preacher family annihilators out there. We'll have to do. We'll have to search for that. Certainly. There was some guy that tried to start a mega church, and it didn't work out. It was very shameful. And you got to hit all your kids in the head with a ball bean hamer. I mean, obviously that's like. I think logically that's where you go with it, right? [00:43:13] Speaker D: Yeah. And John List's logic was not only saving them the shame, he wanted them to go to heaven if he murdered himself. If he committed suicide, he would go to hell. So he said, okay, I'll kill them and then ask for forgiveness and start a whole new life. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Easy peasy lemon squeezy. It's just that easy. [00:43:33] Speaker D: And he got away with it for how many years? 18 years. [00:43:38] Speaker A: This guy's just cruising around being a piece of shit. You know what I mean? [00:43:43] Speaker D: Still going to a Lutheran church, doing the same job, probably. [00:43:47] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, you know, that's the funny thing, is when he gets to Colorado, it takes a few years. He goes to Virginia, you know, and he's fucking about and, you know, they didn't find. They didn't find his family for six. [00:43:59] Speaker D: For a week. I thought it was a week. Yeah, it was like six days. [00:44:03] Speaker A: Oh, six days. [00:44:04] Speaker D: Oh, no, no, sorry. It was a month. It was one month. [00:44:07] Speaker A: It was one month. We met in the middle. We met in the middle. [00:44:09] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:44:10] Speaker A: We're basically saying the same. We're both right. We're on different spectrums of being very Correct. Correct. [00:44:15] Speaker B: Right. [00:44:15] Speaker D: Which means we're both wrong. [00:44:17] Speaker A: But. Yeah, but you know, and we know in 1971, you. You really only need about 12 hours to get away. He had plenty of time. Anyway, he gets to Colorado. At one point in time, he's a sous chef. He went from being a line cook, and he was a sous chef at a country club. And in a lot of the people that worked with him said he was one of the best sous chefs I've ever seen, particularly under pressure. And he finally found the thing that. That, like, sparked joy in him. But for whatever reason, he quits that job and tries to become an accountant again, which was something he ostensibly was terrible at. [00:44:50] Speaker C: Right. [00:44:50] Speaker A: And he just. I think he just wanted. I think part of his German heritage, part of his Lutheran heritage is life is suffering, and if I'm not actively suffering, does God know I'm alive? You know what I mean? Kind of deal. And he was. He was gonna do it again. Again. So the lady he was with then, he was already pulling all her money out. Pulling all. Because the thing he was doing at, he was failing at. So he's sucking up all this lady's money. He was definitely going to get to that stressful point again, and he was going to have to do what needed to be done. [00:45:24] Speaker D: But luckily, he got caught. Yeah, the episode, we actually. So we didn't cover an Unsolved Mysteries episode for that. And we didn't just do a John List episode. There's a Forensic Files episode. So it was a similar format in that we watched a Forensic Files episode, recapped it, and then, you know, solved it or whatever or just talked about it. But what happened was, is they built. They got this forensic artist to build a clay bust of John List of what he thought that he would look like now, which isn't that different. So we even mentioned in the episode they could have probably just showed a photo of him in the newspaper, because he didn't really look that different. [00:46:01] Speaker A: They must have spent $25,000 on this mask. And it's a very good mask, but it's so solid. [00:46:08] Speaker D: And, yeah, you just. [00:46:09] Speaker A: Just could have done it with a picture because the guy didn't change what he looked like. [00:46:12] Speaker D: He wore the same glasses. [00:46:14] Speaker A: He never. Oh, that's the craziest part of that whole thing. So this guy makes this bus. The. The. What was the guy's name that made the bus? He did it. [00:46:22] Speaker D: Bender. [00:46:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:23] Speaker D: Last name is Bender, I think. John Bender. [00:46:25] Speaker A: John Bender. So this is what he did for a living, is he made busts for people, looking for people or. [00:46:31] Speaker D: Or for people that most wanted. He did it for that. [00:46:36] Speaker A: But the glasses one, this man just has a basket of Dead people's glasses that he puts on his, like, heads. [00:46:42] Speaker D: That he makes see it in the episode. [00:46:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm wondering. John Bender probably has murdered dozens of people, right? Like, to me it only makes he has all these dead people. Like, where are we getting these glasses, John? Are you just going to Goodwill and buying them by the bag in bulk? But the glasses he puts on this head are literally the exact same frame and style glasses that were actually on John List's face the day he got caught. [00:47:07] Speaker C: Yep. [00:47:08] Speaker D: It's crazy. [00:47:09] Speaker A: John Bender has. He's touched into the ether somewhere because the way he does these masks, they're almost always like a hundred percent accurate in a super weird way. Once again, I wonder how many times he's murdered someone and then just, you know, as a fun little joke, you know, like, oh, yeah, I'll make a mask for that lady you found. Certainly I know exactly what. What she looks like while screaming. [00:47:33] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, well, those busts were a big thing in the 80s. The 80s and the early 90s. NERs. 90s. [00:47:40] Speaker D: The NERs. [00:47:42] Speaker A: The NERs. [00:47:43] Speaker D: Oh, Helen. Helen's showing up already. Oh, you guess. [00:47:48] Speaker E: You gu. Excuse me. So I'm homeless. You talking about My husband is piece of. And I don't like him. And never. I never. [00:47:59] Speaker D: Small penis. [00:47:59] Speaker E: I never. I never liked it. You want to talk about it, Pete Penis. Don't talk about his because it's terrible. And I've made sex with a lot of men with bad dicks. His was worse. Real quick, I'm just gonna take a couple little second offs because I'm obviously very upset and I gotta relax. [00:48:21] Speaker D: Poor Helen. She had syphilis. Oh, she had husband. [00:48:25] Speaker A: She had syphilis. She. During the birth of her first child, which was not John's child. You know, the one where she lied to List to get him to marry her and it turned out to be someone else's child. Quality woman. She. The ether. You know that they used to put ladies out, you know, because they didn't have epidurals yet. They're like, here, just huff this rag real quick and we'll pop this bastard out of there. They splashed her in the eye by accident with the ether. So literally, she had permanent nerve damage and lazy eyes for the rest of her life. And she was slowly losing her sight. Sight. Then on top of that, she got syphilis from her first husband, who was. He died in Korea. He was a. He was a. He was. He's a World War II guy, comes back, he's with Helen. He decides Helen's terrible. I'm gonna go back to war because I'm much more comfortable fighting someone than I am hanging out with this awful woman. He goes to Korea, you know, by this time he's already knocked her up and given her the bonus of syphilis. Right? He takes off, dies in Korea. And so this is when she's introduced to John. Two months in a relationship, she's like, like I'm pregnant and it's yours. But she was already like four months pregnant because it's actually homeboys, right? So she basically rubs him in, she's got the syphilis. And on top of that, because her life was so terrible. And someone who dealt with addiction for years. An easy way to deal with a terrible life is to just turn the. [00:49:47] Speaker E: Volume down just a little bit. Just wake up just a little bit. A cup of coffee. It's mostly scotch. And now I just don't give a shit about scotch. And if I get a little bit tired, I got these things the doctor gave them, they call them green penis. And it's just put a little pep in your step. Everybody on the block is eating them. [00:50:04] Speaker A: And almost I feel like every other 50s housewife was a full on tweaker. You know, the amount of. [00:50:10] Speaker D: That's why they call him mama's little helper. [00:50:12] Speaker A: Oh. Amount of drugs they used to pump into housewives is insane to me. Poor Helen List. But also maybe the one justified, just the one justified murder. [00:50:22] Speaker D: You say that it's not any pirate bodies. [00:50:26] Speaker A: One of them needed any pile of bodies. One person deserved it. Yeah, that's just a law averages. That's just the universe correcting itself. [00:50:34] Speaker C: Oh, could have been worse. He and I don't agree too. [00:50:37] Speaker A: What's that? [00:50:38] Speaker C: Just throw her in an insane asylum, like, you know. [00:50:41] Speaker A: Oh, sure, yeah. Lobotomizer. Like Rose Kennedy. You know what I mean? You know what, Ro. [00:50:47] Speaker E: Hey. [00:50:50] Speaker A: There. I can't do it. [00:50:54] Speaker D: It's Canadian. Boston. [00:50:56] Speaker A: That's the thing. [00:50:56] Speaker E: I. I can do a savvy. I can't do these upper crusty, you know. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Anyway, yeah, Rose Kennedy, she had a case of the SADs. Your daughter has a case of the SADs. I think what we should do is take a spike and shove it into her nose until her brain bleeds and then she'll be just fine for, you know, until she dies crumpled up in a corner. You don't care. Are you listening to me, sir? [00:51:17] Speaker E: No. [00:51:17] Speaker A: You're trying to literally steal the government. That's fine. [00:51:21] Speaker C: Yeah, the whole lobotomy thing, I mean the Whole. Well, we just did Waverly. [00:51:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:27] Speaker C: And let's throw a balloon in there, blow it up. [00:51:30] Speaker D: Right. [00:51:30] Speaker A: Remove crabs. [00:51:31] Speaker C: Just throw people out on a, you know, a cold patio. The fresh air will do you good. [00:51:38] Speaker A: Positive medical science has only been good for the last maybe 21 years. Everything before that is just like. You did what to a person, what to a hundred people? Jesus Christ. You know, somehow. [00:51:51] Speaker D: Yeah, just give it a shot. See what works, see what sticks. [00:51:54] Speaker A: I mean, literally, eugenics. You say the word eugenics and people think Nazis. That was invented here in the 20s. We were doing it first. Tuskegee Airmen experiments. All kinds of fun we were doing in the United States. And then the Nazis were like, that's pretty cool, man. Yeah, I like, I like science. [00:52:13] Speaker C: Yeah. A lot of that stuff is insane theatric help. [00:52:18] Speaker A: You know, I, I really think that that mental health has only been good in the country. Country probably since right before, right at the pandemic, you know, still not that great. It's so much working on it, so much better than it was. The stigma of so many things been taken off understanding of so many things. I've been listening to a lot of behind the Bastards recently, which is, you know, obviously a giant awesome podcast, but they just did a two parter on like the, the cure for autism scams that have been going on in the United States for literally since the 70s. And it's like actual medical doctors, even in the 90s were like, we're trying to find a cure for autism. And there people are like, you, that's not, it's not a disease, first of all. It's not a disease at all. You don't cure autism. You know, and the things. They were putting kids in hyperbaric chambers and a couple of kids literally combusted within these hyperbaric chambers. They literally burn 10 year olds burning to death in hyperbaric chambers trying to cure autism. It's like, holy. Yeah, sorry, I will bum you out if you get. Just give me a chance and I'll ruin your day. [00:53:25] Speaker C: You'll have me crying by the end of the episode. [00:53:27] Speaker A: You know, and speaking of, speaking of dead kids, so we got these. Was it five kids, four kids? [00:53:33] Speaker C: Four kids? No, he had or no, three John list. [00:53:36] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. There were the two toys. [00:53:38] Speaker A: I'm trying to steer it, I'm trying to steer us back. [00:53:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:53:41] Speaker A: Yep. [00:53:41] Speaker D: Oh, you are. For once. I see. Yeah, you're correcting yourself. Yeah. He, he, he murdered his family. And the crazy part is, and this is where we have a lot of so There's a Netflix episode, the new the reboot of this French family Annihilator. The Count de Lagones, I think his name was. He killed his kid and his wife and then disappeared. And in a similar fashion, John List killed them one by one. Dragged him into the ballroom because he had a house with a ballroom. It was a house he couldn't afford. He borrowed a bunch of money from his mother, and the way he, quote, unquote, paid her back was she got to live in the attic, and so he murdered her. In his letter that he wrote afterwards, he said, mother's in the attic because she was too heavy to move. Everybody else he put in the ballroom. Now, after he murdered his daughter, his son and his wife and his mother, he then went to go watch his other kid's soccer game and had a sandwich, came home, had a sandwich. And then when soccer. His soccer son came home, John Jr. I think that was. He murdered him. And he had to shoot him, like, 10 times. I think he used a gun. [00:54:57] Speaker A: Well, he expected his son to be home way later than he was. And he kind of surprised him. He's like, oh, shit, he's here. But that kid hated his dad. And he had that warrior spirit. [00:55:08] Speaker B: He. [00:55:08] Speaker A: He would not die. He. He. John shot him, and the kid just went at him, you know what I mean? And John being a, you know, feckless piece of. He got. Didn't have any nuts, he didn't have any balls about him. He had no vinegar in him. You know what I mean? So, of course, he just had to continue to shoot his teenage son. And then I always thought, Stephanie, we never even talked about what the sandwich was. Was. I'm gonna say it was all gross, probably. You know. Yeah. Or liver worst. [00:55:37] Speaker D: You know, liver worst good. [00:55:40] Speaker A: Spicy brown mustard and some rye could be good. But I don't think he put that much effort into it. I bet it was a real, like, real quick wonder bread, you know what I mean? Some old lettuce. I feel like he was. He was probably pretty frugal in that. In that area. Probably. [00:55:54] Speaker B: Brown lettuce. [00:55:55] Speaker A: Yeah. A little mushy. [00:55:56] Speaker D: She's like, I gotta eat the rest of the groceries that are in the fridge because I'm not gonna be here much longer. It might stink. [00:56:04] Speaker A: You really gotta make. [00:56:05] Speaker D: You know, and if this was January. No, Nove. It was November. And so it was cold because this is in New Jersey or just outside of New Jersey. So after he murders them, he turns the thermostat down, I guess he turns the Heat off. And it's like 60 degrees in the house, I guess, to keep the bodies from decomposing. But then he also put on Stephanie. [00:56:27] Speaker A: Logically, I wasn't going to be home, so it didn't make sense to leave the heat on. [00:56:32] Speaker D: Exactly. [00:56:32] Speaker A: Honestly, I don't know if you noticed. I am in financial dire straits right now. And I. I. Wait, Dire Straits. It's a good name for a band. [00:56:41] Speaker D: Anyway, John Liz became Mark Knopfler. [00:56:44] Speaker A: Oh, my God. John List became Mark Knopfler. He is the Sultan of swing. [00:56:48] Speaker D: Never happened. Well, but the creepiest part is when the cops come in, and this is because I think they find it because his daughter had not been in drama club or in school at all. And her drama teacher came and investigated. But when the cop showed up, he had this loud classical music playing that had been playing for however long. He probably just set it to the classical station just blaring. And the cops called it a funeral dirge. So it was dark. [00:57:16] Speaker A: They've never. [00:57:18] Speaker C: I think. I'm not. Wasn't sure if it was on your guys's episode or someone else's, but didn't the daughter say something to the drama teacher in regards to. Yes, she did. [00:57:30] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, because he sat them down at one night at dinner and said, you know, I'm gonna kill you guys. Like he told them a few weeks before that. And they all said they wanted to be cremated, apparently, according to John. [00:57:41] Speaker A: Yeah, there's. There's talk that the daughter and the drama teacher might have been having inappropriate relationship. We'll say there. There might have been something going on with them. As far as I know, most drama teachers don't lean that way. But. So, yeah, it's not true. I know, but he broke in and they initially thought he was the murderer because he went in through the window to check on his dear, sweet teenage, you know, student lover. And, you know, that. That must have been just a day for him. Him. You know what I mean? You're going from putting on a production of My Fair lady to walking into a multiple. She's. She's upstairs. [00:58:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:31] Speaker D: Oh, right. Yeah, that's true. She was too heavy to move. [00:58:34] Speaker A: Too heavy to move. I get it. [00:58:36] Speaker C: But yeah, I was pretty sure that was your guys's episode that I heard that on that. That blew my mind that, you know, he had said something to them beforehand. She said something to her drama teacher, and he was trying to get people do something and. But then I remembered he was under suspicion as well. [00:58:52] Speaker A: Yeah, well, 1970s, the whole that's. And especially, you know, I lived in the Northeast for a long time, and Northeast is a big none of my business kind of place. You know what I mean? And where they're at, you know, it's a beautiful little town in northern New Jersey. Where they are. They're not. They're not far from Atlantic City. They're kind of in between Atlantic City and Jersey City, which aren't great places, but there's some very beautiful places. And where they were in New Jersey, which is the same town that the Watchers were in, which is. It's very nice, nice, very affluent area. But even then, it's like whatever's happening in their house, it's a kind of a libertarian kind of ideals. Look, if you're in there killing your family, that's fine. Just make sure you keep it on your property. All right, buddy? You know, don't let that spill over in my yard. And then we got a problem. But they weren't. The neighbors didn't like it. There's a reason that nobody checked on that place for a month, right? Because the neighbors already didn't like the lists. You know, we talk about in the episode how he would literally, people would see him mowing his lawn on. In a full. [00:59:49] Speaker D: In a suit. [00:59:51] Speaker A: In a full suit. The. The day he killed his family, he was seen outside raking at midnight in a full suit. His daughter got arrested for smoking cigarettes because it's not lady like to smoke cigarettes. And that's a jailable offense. 2 and 2am cops called, say you gotta come pick up your daughter. He showered, shaved, full suit to go pick up his camera kid. Because it was all about the appearance and John List. I'm not giving the guy any sort of. Of. Of leeway here. He never. He never had a chance, right? His mother was very domineering, overbearing woman. And it. It made him susceptible to just literally be on any. And everywhere he went, he just ate shit. Ate shit. You ever see the Michael Douglas movie Falling down, which is. It's. It's one of my favorites. You know, basically another guy's just eating, eating, eating. Where in the film, he decides to turn it against society, which is what. Honestly what I would do. And then John List went the other way. But I don't. The life he had was not the life he wanted, but he was never gonna get the life he wanted. That was never gonna be a thing. Everything that he touched was just kind of. Even his military service. The guy, you know, was drafted into World War II. He's like, I'm gonna go over. I'm gonna beat the Jerry's. He went there. He was there for, like a week and a half. He was a cook. I think he had some shit job. He gets captured, but then, like, 30 minutes after being captured, the war was over, and those his guards became his prisoners. And so he got a bunch of accommodations for that, but he didn't. He wasn't directly involved in any real action, but he walked around like he was a fucking war hero, because that's everything he did. Had this veneer of success. Yes. But all you had to do is kind of tug just a little bit on it. You're like, oh, dude, you need a hug. Like, this is bad. [01:01:45] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:01:46] Speaker C: Wipe it a little bit and. Oh, yeah. Oh, go see what's going on there. I think he would not appreciate my weekend attire. Going to the gas station. [01:01:57] Speaker D: No, no. You're not wearing a full suit then. Never. [01:01:59] Speaker C: Yeah. Baggy sweatshirt, pajama pants, slippers. [01:02:03] Speaker A: That's the way to do it. That's the best part about America now. No, except for flying. [01:02:08] Speaker B: I hate podcasters. [01:02:10] Speaker A: Oh, sure, yeah. [01:02:12] Speaker D: Yeah. For many reasons, but. [01:02:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. I bet. I bet there's some. I feel like he would like Dan Carlin, you know what I mean? Just to sit there and listen to that name. Hardcore history. [01:02:23] Speaker D: Oh, right, right, right. [01:02:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. But his episodes are like six and a half hours long, and they're like a Tolkien amount of detail. You know, his. His. My favorite series he does is one called Blueprint to Armageddon, and it's literally about everything that leads up to World War I. But it's like. So he, like, literally describes the uniforms of all the different countries that are involved, you know, and talking about epaulettes and, you know, I feel like something John List would love quite a bit would be that. I got a burp. Sorry. [01:02:54] Speaker B: Okay. [01:02:54] Speaker A: You're fine. [01:02:56] Speaker C: While you do that, I'm going to crack my drink. [01:02:58] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:03:00] Speaker A: What are you drinking? This there. High life Tall boy. [01:03:03] Speaker C: Aani new energy drink. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Got to have them. [01:03:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Got to keep the energy. Do you have a drink, Jay? Yeah. We're both drinking. [01:03:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Those things. Those things wake me out. The monster energy drinks. I haven't had one in a long time, but I. I drank one, you know, working a. Working a long gig, and I was just like. [01:03:25] Speaker C: We drink them so often, they barely phase us anymore. Half the time we can go to sleep after having one. [01:03:30] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. Sad. [01:03:31] Speaker A: I was like that with Vicodin for a Long time. [01:03:34] Speaker C: I guess monster and Alani are a little cheaper than Vicodin. [01:03:38] Speaker A: Yeah. But a monster and a Vicodin together, I mean, that's a great trailer park speedball right there. You can get some work done, baby. [01:03:47] Speaker C: Push forward on that. [01:03:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, there's many truck drivers, I hate to say it, are probably on the road right now with that combo. [01:03:54] Speaker C: Yikes. Yeah. [01:03:56] Speaker A: Only autonomous driving that I'm. That I'm interested in is. Is the trucking. I mean, I would hate all those guys to lose their jobs, but. But, you know, let's do it. Let's get robot trucks. [01:04:05] Speaker C: Robot trucks. [01:04:07] Speaker D: Robot glory holes. [01:04:09] Speaker A: Well, that is definitely something that's coming for sure. [01:04:13] Speaker D: Literally. [01:04:14] Speaker A: Ah, you did it this time. You did it. That wasn't even me. You let me into that. That was a trap. [01:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:24] Speaker D: Yeah. The John Liz case is just one of those, like, classic true crime stories. Horrifying, but kind of hard to believe because it's so bizarre and that he was able to get away from it, get away with it for. For so long. And he's kind of the blueprint for this family Annihilator. I don't know if everybody. The guys who have done it since then, if they were inspired by this guy or. I hope not. It just. It baffles my mind how somebody can be, because he was, like, in his 40s when this happened. Right. How do you go your whole life. Life not killing anybody, and then suddenly you murder your entire family? That. [01:04:59] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:00] Speaker D: That makes no sense to me. Like, is there a head injury involved? [01:05:04] Speaker A: No, it's stress. It's. I'm telling you, stress can absolutely destroy your mind. I would con. If people are considering autism a disease when it's not. Stress is a disease. Human. We're not made to live like we live now. This constant barrage of everything, all the time. We haven't developed to. To. To withstand all that. We. We have the same brains that we had 65, 000 years ago. They have not changed at all. But the technology and how we get through life has absolutely exponentially folded in on itself over and over again. And now we're in this technicolored nightmare, and I'm surprised there's not more just, like, constant families being made murdered. Right. Because once again, you know, economic stress, all. All. And then just the fact that he was just like, you know, I don't know how it feels because I'm awesome. But, like, every day he had to think about, like, how much of, like, a failure he was. [01:06:03] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:06:04] Speaker A: All that Definitely. I think is a good. Is a. That's a spicy meatball. It's a good soup for family murder. It's super sad. [01:06:13] Speaker D: It's superior. So much of his failure is his own fault. Regardless of, you know, we all have. Nobody had a perfect childhood. But so much of it is. You know, I think parents only have so much control over. It's very much nature over nurture. Sure, they both work in concert. Sometimes you get, you know, you be born perfectly fine and have terrible parents or you know, it's. But his failure was definitely his own fault. He handled things incorrectly. He was very self loathing because. Because he was a loser, I guess and just didn't put any work into himself. Which is sad. [01:06:53] Speaker C: Other than his, you know, clean shaven and suits. [01:06:55] Speaker D: Other than his appearance. Exactly, exactly. [01:06:58] Speaker C: And if he was raking and mowing, that suit's gotta be a little stank. [01:07:03] Speaker D: I'm sure it's like Zach's trench coat. [01:07:05] Speaker A: Yeah, well, definitely. But he had many suits. That was the problem is, you know, Helen, Helen love. [01:07:12] Speaker E: He said, I get Shannon, you know, I'll get Balenciaga. It was sexy. Sexy dressing. Yeah. Just put it on the Diners Club card, charge it up. It's all good. Johnna, get a suit. I got like Tiffany lamps that I've literally forgotten where they are in the house. There's just a pile of them. I don't give shit about them. [01:07:35] Speaker C: I have them though. I have the crud. [01:07:37] Speaker A: My life is terrible. [01:07:41] Speaker E: Anyway, does anybody need a top off on the old scotch estate Scotch? [01:07:46] Speaker A: They. They just live beyond their means so much. I imagine that guy had probably a closet of all the same color. Gray suits. [01:07:56] Speaker D: Yeah, like Elwood blue. [01:07:57] Speaker A: 25 of them. Yeah, well, but Elwood blue suit was awesome because I think it was a Kmart suit. [01:08:02] Speaker D: Oh, may have been. Chicago Kmart. Yeah. [01:08:04] Speaker A: Oh man. Oh, Chicago Kmart, 1981. [01:08:08] Speaker D: Oof. [01:08:08] Speaker B: Good stuff. [01:08:09] Speaker A: Oof, magoof. [01:08:12] Speaker D: Yeah, it was wild. Well, so you know, Zach, maybe we should tell our surprise. Okay, so now. [01:08:24] Speaker C: Oh boy. [01:08:26] Speaker D: This is optional. So. Yeah. My thing has. Our thing lately has been I create some scenes from the like based on the episode and I spring the scene script on Zach to read and I threw something together that if you guys wanted to join us in a little bit of ZSM theater, if not, no hard feelings, you know, Zach and I could just do it. But I can, I will. I'll text you if you're comfortable with it. I. I cut down on. There's a lot of curses originally. But then I Was like, I don't know. Let me see. I think I could just drag this over. [01:09:06] Speaker A: All three of you guys got the Midwest nice thing going on, and I. I love it. It's beautiful. Stop with all that. Just make them do it, Stephanie. [01:09:13] Speaker D: Well, you know, we're their guests. Okay, sure. [01:09:16] Speaker A: I forget that. [01:09:17] Speaker D: You forget that. Yeah. [01:09:19] Speaker A: See, narcissism is a disease and it cannot be cured. [01:09:22] Speaker D: Zach, I should send this to you, too, huh? I suppose. [01:09:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Honestly, I don't even think over to you, Jay. This is what James Lipton always wanted. If he was still alive, we would be on the Actor Studio. Studio. [01:09:34] Speaker D: We would. Absolutely. [01:09:35] Speaker A: Is James Lipton dead? He's very dead. [01:09:37] Speaker D: He died. He died. He's not very dead, but he's pretty dead. [01:09:41] Speaker A: He's freshly dead. [01:09:43] Speaker D: Fresh. Fresh. So it's just like three scenes. They're super short. So the. So scene one is the Last Supper, which is. This was Zach's idea for a premise that it's the sum. It's the dinner before the. The night before he murders his family, essentially. [01:10:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:04] Speaker D: So we have. Patty. What do you. [01:10:07] Speaker A: I'm apologizing to these guys. I had two ideas. It was either, like, we played, like the John List kids, like, right. You know, the day before, they don't know they're about to be murdered. Then I was like. Or we could do like, serial killer, water cooler and hell. And so we have both. We. Oh, you did both. [01:10:21] Speaker D: I told you there's three scenes, Zach. [01:10:23] Speaker A: Well, I missed. I missed that part. I was talking. [01:10:25] Speaker D: Oh. Oh, right. That's usually how you miss it. [01:10:28] Speaker A: Oh, God. [01:10:29] Speaker D: So we have just. Does everybody have. Have everybody have your script? [01:10:33] Speaker C: Did you get it, Jeremy? [01:10:34] Speaker B: Yep. [01:10:35] Speaker D: Okay. [01:10:36] Speaker A: I'm so excited. Yes, I'm so. I'm so excited. [01:10:38] Speaker D: So in this scene, we have patty list. She's 16. She's moody. Theater kid. John Jr. He's 15. He was the one who was playing soccer. Helen is, of course, the alcoholic housewife. Zach, that's. That's going to be you. And then John List. And then there's John List. And so, Jeremy, I think you should be John Fracy. Well, I was. I'm going to be Patty. Tracy, are you okay being a guy? Being John Jr. Okay, perfect. Okay, so this is again, the last supper before the murder. It's the list. Family dining room. November 8, 1971. The murders happened the 9th. The table is set with meatloaf, mashed potatoes, and despair. The lights flicker periodically and classical music plays faintly from another room. [01:11:25] Speaker A: Room. [01:11:25] Speaker B: So who am I in the bad guy. [01:11:27] Speaker D: You are. [01:11:29] Speaker A: You are the doting father at this point. You're not a bad guy for another 12 hours. [01:11:33] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [01:11:34] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:11:34] Speaker A: This is not an indictment on you, Jerry. I don't. We're not saying that you have potential. Although every man does. To kill your entire family. We're not saying that. We'll see what happens. If you really put a bravado on this, we may have questions for you. [01:11:49] Speaker D: Or we may have you participate in more ZSM theater scenes. So this could be your big break, kid. All right, so I'm patty. [01:11:59] Speaker C: I'm John Jr. And you're John. [01:12:00] Speaker D: And you're John Jr. Yeah. [01:12:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. [01:12:03] Speaker D: This meatloaf tastes like you gave up halfway through. Like you started seasoning and then remembered life is meaningless. [01:12:11] Speaker C: That's pretty good. [01:12:12] Speaker D: You also think Laugh in is cutting edge satire. [01:12:17] Speaker E: Boy, I enjoy things. [01:12:18] Speaker A: Okay? [01:12:19] Speaker E: This is Patty. He's just happy in his. His shorts to fit. He's a little chubby. It's like, oh, my little chubby son. He's not good at anything. He's fine and I love him. [01:12:29] Speaker A: This is Martini's. [01:12:31] Speaker E: Delicious. [01:12:32] Speaker A: So unlike me. [01:12:34] Speaker E: This girdle's holding on like a hostage negotiator. [01:12:38] Speaker D: Can I at least audition for cabaret? Mom? Ms. Duncan says I've got real stage presence. [01:12:45] Speaker E: Sweetheart. Only stage you'll ever be on. His intervention acting is just like what pretty girls do. And their fathers didn't hug him enough. My dad. He didn't hug me. [01:12:59] Speaker C: Mom. [01:13:00] Speaker A: What? [01:13:00] Speaker D: Helen, it's you. [01:13:01] Speaker A: Oh, you said mom already. Start from the top. You say mom again. No, no, no. [01:13:07] Speaker E: I will not be silenced at my own dinner table. John, John, tell him. Tell him. Acting is for fallen women. [01:13:17] Speaker B: I think we should finish our dinner. Oh, wait, no, I'm not drunk. [01:13:22] Speaker A: No, you're not. You're honestly a tea totaler. This guy never. He didn't drink at all. Oh, yeah, that explains. [01:13:28] Speaker B: We should finish our dinner. Is that good? [01:13:33] Speaker A: Yeah, that is good. [01:13:36] Speaker D: Sheesh, dad, you sound like a haunted doll. [01:13:39] Speaker C: Is it just me, or does it smell weird in here? [01:13:42] Speaker E: That's. That's me, darling. I'm riding from the inside. I out civilis does that. But your father still won't touch me. Even in deaths and br. [01:13:57] Speaker D: I'm going to drama club early tomorrow. [01:14:00] Speaker B: Like you won't. You won't. Did I nail it? [01:14:05] Speaker A: You did. You did. [01:14:07] Speaker D: You did. And you've got another line again. Yeah. [01:14:11] Speaker B: Oh, none of you will will. You're going to stay home tomorrow. [01:14:15] Speaker E: Well, that's ominous. Am I Saying that right? It's ominous. It's ominous. Fun word real quick. Just gonna. You guys, it's new. It's called Xanax. It's the doctor. He's just giving to me. [01:14:29] Speaker A: He said don't take him with alcohol. [01:14:32] Speaker E: So I took him with alcohol immediately. And I think that's ominous. You got a little murder boner. I see it. John is pathetic, but it's there. See? Super rigid detergent. [01:14:45] Speaker C: Can we not say murder boner at dinner? [01:14:51] Speaker E: I'll say whatever the damn. I say whatever the damn well hell I please. [01:14:59] Speaker A: This might be my last supper. [01:15:01] Speaker D: If it is, I want a refund. [01:15:04] Speaker E: You know, you know, you know, you'd be a wonderful Sally, but if you just stop talking. [01:15:12] Speaker B: Oh, is it me? I'll do the dishes tonight. [01:15:20] Speaker A: You. You. [01:15:22] Speaker E: You're gonna do your chores? What, does the rapture start earlier or something? [01:15:27] Speaker D: Great. So I guess we'll all be dead by dessert. [01:15:30] Speaker A: Yes. Probably. [01:15:33] Speaker E: Yes. [01:15:35] Speaker D: Oh my God, Jeremy, you're amazing. [01:15:37] Speaker A: This is really a lot of fun and I'm so happy right now. [01:15:40] Speaker D: Know scene 2 serial killers in hell. Break room Fest. Eileen War waros. John Wayne Gacy, who Zach is playing. I'll be Eileen. Susan Atkins Tracy. If you read her, she's a spiritual woo woo Manson girl with sinister vibes. And then, Jeremy, you'll be Albert Fish. [01:16:04] Speaker A: We keep making you the worst person. We're so sorry. [01:16:06] Speaker D: I'm sorry. Yeah, but you're so good at it. [01:16:09] Speaker A: I mean, Gacy's bad, but Albert Fish is also not great. [01:16:12] Speaker D: Yeah, but Gacy was a clown, so certainly Democrat. Hell's corporate break room. Fluorescent lights buzz. There's Crusty cough. There's a crusty coffee pot labeled demon brew. A microwave with meat juice permanently baked in and a blood spattered cork board reading employee of the millennia, Anton lavey. [01:16:32] Speaker A: Oh, God damn. That's awesome, Stephanie. [01:16:35] Speaker D: Thanks. I'm smoking. [01:16:39] Speaker C: Smoking, right? [01:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Eileen Wuornos for sure. Yeah. [01:16:43] Speaker D: This place smells like burnt feet and Axe body spray. [01:16:47] Speaker A: That's me. [01:16:48] Speaker E: I microwave fish sticks. Let him in for that's me. I microwave fish sticks. Left them in there for 666 seconds. [01:16:56] Speaker D: Eh, you're a fish stick. [01:16:58] Speaker C: Has anyone seen my essential oils? I need them to balance the trauma that I caused. [01:17:03] Speaker D: Bitcoin. Babe, you helped murder a pregnant woman. No amount of peppermint peppermint oil is going to fix that. Oh, I got balloons. [01:17:11] Speaker C: Oh, you got balloons. That's never. [01:17:13] Speaker A: We get amazing. Don't understand what happens on Riverside. [01:17:17] Speaker D: We get telling you that it's the Mac camera. Oh, my God. It's Riverside. [01:17:23] Speaker A: Do the thumbs up. [01:17:24] Speaker D: Riverside. [01:17:25] Speaker A: I don't understand how this happened. I don't understand technology. I'm scared. [01:17:29] Speaker C: Mine's not working. [01:17:30] Speaker D: You have to murder a pregnant woman. No amount of peppermint oil is going to fix that. [01:17:34] Speaker B: I bought lunch today. And hammer things. Dijon glaze in a finger salad. It's finger food. Get it. Get it. [01:17:45] Speaker A: I will. [01:17:47] Speaker D: I will literally murder you again. [01:17:50] Speaker E: I was gonna heat up my leftover teenager, but I guess the appliance is full. [01:17:54] Speaker C: Could you guys not be so negative? I'm trying to manifest a reincarnation. [01:18:01] Speaker D: What? Are you gonna come back and as a frickin Chia Pet. [01:18:04] Speaker E: Hey, fish. You're on torment towel duty again, right? How would you like wiping demon hiney with a barbed wire? [01:18:12] Speaker B: You know, that's. That's my favorite task. It affoliates my soul. [01:18:17] Speaker A: I love it. I love that we got Tracy. That's awesome. [01:18:22] Speaker D: Susan, do you ever think we're not in hell because of what we did, but because we're annoying as all get. [01:18:28] Speaker C: Out claim that energy. [01:18:29] Speaker E: Y' all ever think we're just like in a never ending bit? [01:18:33] Speaker D: Pass me that. Jeremy, we do want you to be a part of these moving forward for all of them. Pass me the cursed creamer. I've got eternity left on this shift. [01:18:45] Speaker B: It's the goat milk from an actual goat demon. [01:18:49] Speaker E: Still better than Starbucks. [01:18:52] Speaker D: Cut to blood red logo. Hell Inc. Now hiring regret. Scene 3. Patty's audition in the afterlife. Patty. There's a Patty. There's a ghost director. There's Helen List. Zach, do you. Do you want to do Helen List again? [01:19:07] Speaker A: I'm gonna. I'm gonna dance with the one that brung me. For sure. [01:19:10] Speaker D: Yeah. And then. Okay. Yeah. And so I'll be Patty. Jeremy, you be the ghost detector. And Tracy, if you'll be Alma. Honestly, I don't think you have any lines, Tracy, so I'm sorry, but you're fine. [01:19:22] Speaker A: Well, Alma List was a very cold German woman and did not speak a whole lot already. So she's in character. [01:19:29] Speaker D: That's right. Alma is. Alma is John's mother. Yeah. So the setting is a spectral theater. Empty stage one, Harsh spotlight. Beyond the light. Only blackness. Occasionally a faint whisper of hymns or a page turning. And it lights up on Patty, standing center stage, clutching a crumpled script. Okay, either I died, or this is the worst cold read of my life. [01:19:52] Speaker B: Welcome to the afterlife audition chamber Member, you are being considered for several eternal roles. Wandering ghost, misunderstood teen matre. What? What Is that word or local legend who haunts the boys locker room? [01:20:11] Speaker D: Wow. Dream big. [01:20:13] Speaker B: Oh, sorry. [01:20:15] Speaker A: No, you're on. [01:20:16] Speaker B: Boys, please begin your monologue when ready. [01:20:19] Speaker D: Okay, this is from the Glass Menagerie by Tennessee Will Williams. I didn't go to the moon. I went much further, for time is the longest distance. [01:20:38] Speaker E: What? [01:20:39] Speaker D: You're Helen. [01:20:40] Speaker E: I'm Helen. [01:20:41] Speaker D: You said Helen, sweetheart. [01:20:42] Speaker E: I know it's. There's a word up here, it's above your names that. My name's Helen and you're Patricia. Patricia, sweetheart, you're gonna. You're gonna. Jim. Bandit. [01:20:54] Speaker A: Winkfield. [01:20:55] Speaker E: Put a little back into it. The woman had gumption. Excuse me? You sound like you're reciting in the menu at an Automat. [01:21:07] Speaker D: Mom, I'm in the middle of an afterlife audition. [01:21:10] Speaker E: Well, the freaking doc. When I died, no one handed me a monologue. Just hit me in the ballroom and say, out of luck. [01:21:20] Speaker B: Family trauma, deep projecting. We like. [01:21:23] Speaker D: Great. Are there callbacks or is this one of those one take, eternal damnation things? Suddenly, Alma List drifts on stage. She glows slightly. She does not speak. She judges silently. Oh, no, not you two. The Ghost of Passive Aggressive Christmas Past. [01:21:44] Speaker E: Go back to your cloud, Mother List. You didn't even like Patty. I didn't even like Patty. And definitely pretty sure John did not like Patty. You thought she was being flamboyant, whatever that even means in the seventies. I gotta say. These kids now, running around hopscotch. I don't know what that is like. I see Scotch. I don't hop over it. I'll drink it. [01:22:09] Speaker A: Sorry. I will. I do a lot. I'll improv. [01:22:12] Speaker D: He goes off script all the time. Yeah. So, Jeremy, you. Can you finally get. [01:22:18] Speaker B: Sniff. [01:22:18] Speaker C: Oh, sniff. [01:22:20] Speaker D: Almost sniffs loudly. [01:22:22] Speaker B: You are unhinged, tortured and moderately compelling. We'll be in touch. [01:22:28] Speaker D: So that's it? I don't get a role? Jeremy, that's you. [01:22:31] Speaker B: Oh, where am I? [01:22:33] Speaker D: Oh, ghost. You'll be haunting a regional theater. [01:22:36] Speaker B: Yeah, you'll be hunting or haunting a regional theater in New Jersey. Cold tile, no curtains. Occasionally possessed of a drama teacher. Possession of a drama teacher. [01:22:49] Speaker D: Honestly? No, you're great. [01:22:51] Speaker A: You're great. [01:22:52] Speaker D: Cold reading. [01:22:53] Speaker A: We literally threw this on top of you. [01:22:55] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay, Honestly, I've had worse gigs. [01:23:00] Speaker E: Do you think they'll have chardonnay in limbo? I'll do a Pinot Grige if that's what they got. It's like Chardonnay chilled. It's kind of chilled. [01:23:09] Speaker B: Only Franzia. [01:23:12] Speaker E: Well, hell, poor. Me, too. You got what do they call him a carafe? Do a carafe. Be my carafe, giraffe. [01:23:20] Speaker D: Lights flicker out as ghost jazz plays and a spotlight slowly closes on Patty, who's now holding an ethereal Tony Award. [01:23:28] Speaker A: Oh, that's a new award. Thank you, Stephanie. Good job. [01:23:31] Speaker C: You too. [01:23:31] Speaker D: That was fun. Oh, good job. [01:23:35] Speaker A: That's basically the show for the people, for all the total conundrum listeners that are here to check the us out. Huge. You heard a pretty condensed Zach Solve Mysteries episode. That's, that's what we're doing. If you liked it, come listen. If you didn't like, we'll take hate listeners. Absolutely. [01:23:52] Speaker D: Oh, I will love a hate listener. [01:23:54] Speaker A: Give us a hate listener. [01:23:55] Speaker D: Yeah, I don't think nobody will hate publicity. [01:23:58] Speaker C: No. I always enjoy your guys show so much. [01:24:03] Speaker D: We love yours too. [01:24:04] Speaker A: Thank you guys for doing that with us. We were like, Stephanie wrote that like yesterday because I hit her. I was like, I was like. He's like, hey, what if we did the theater thing with them? Like, here's like my dumb ideas. And she's like, yeah, I'll do all the work as usual. And I was like, thank God. And you know, I'm a big idea guy, right? [01:24:24] Speaker D: It's funny because right before that text, you're like, I'm not asking you to do more work in reference to something else. And he's like, and. But. [01:24:35] Speaker C: Yeah, well, it's, it's quite the teamwork, like with Jeremy and I, it's like, you know, he'll be like, okay, I'm doing da da da da da, but I can't do da da da da until you finish doing this and that, you know, and it, it is really a well oiled machine working, you know, in tandem with doing the podcast and everything behind the scenes. [01:24:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:24:55] Speaker D: And you guys nail it. And you also, while you're doing all this hard work to make this amazing podcast also, so gathering other people, you've, like I said earlier, you've created this community and it's just, it's really admirable. It's a lot of work and it's all for a very, it's for very good ends. So we appreciate you guys. [01:25:14] Speaker C: Well, we appreciate you guys and, you know, contributing and I mean, you guys always have some. Your personalities are just so contagious and so, you know, it's just really fun to actually have this face to face interaction today. I love this. [01:25:29] Speaker D: Well, we'll have you guys on next for sure. Maybe for, for next for our May Patreon or something. Yeah, because we don't have anything scheduled. [01:25:36] Speaker C: For that yet, so definitely. [01:25:39] Speaker D: That'd be fun. [01:25:40] Speaker A: What could we do? Oh, what could we do? All right, I'll be thinking about it. [01:25:44] Speaker D: We'll figure it out. Sorry, what were you going to say, Tracy? [01:25:47] Speaker C: I was going to say before you jumped on, I was. I had the Riverside recording open, but I had myself muted. And I was sitting there working on my computer and I kept hearing this, like, somebody singing. And I yelled out to Jeremy, I said, is that you? Are you breaking out into song? And he didn't respond to me. And then I hear it again. And also I look over at my other screen and there's Zach over. [01:26:14] Speaker D: What were you singing, Zach? [01:26:15] Speaker A: I was doing my usual, like, warm ups. My vocal. Warm up. Yeah. [01:26:21] Speaker C: But it was so funny because it was coming. I had everything turned to my headphones and I had my headphones hanging on the mic. [01:26:27] Speaker D: Oh, that's creepy. [01:26:28] Speaker C: Coming out of the microphone or the headphones. So I thought it was Jenny and quiet. [01:26:33] Speaker D: Oh, that's funny. [01:26:34] Speaker C: That was hilarious. [01:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's good stuff. Well, this has been great. This has been great. I real. I just finished listening to your Flat Earth episode. [01:26:46] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [01:26:47] Speaker A: It's really good. Jeremy. I love your theories on. Because I just. I. Flat Earth has always been kind of in the peripheral for me. Just like something I could make fun of. It's funny enough. Like, in the last week or so, I've started to kind of dive deeper into Flat Earth. And like, I'm on board. I think that's what's happening. [01:27:06] Speaker D: We. [01:27:07] Speaker A: We live in a diamond universe. Right. That's kind of where I'm at with it. We're like in this diamond plane with the dome above us. But then, like, Asgard actually exists, like, outside, like the first ice wall. Like, the whole thing is super fast. Fascinating. Super fascinating to me. And I. It's. It's making sense. It's making total sense. [01:27:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I think legitimately there's a lot of people out there that believe that that's real in my mind, like, not just a joke. Yeah. [01:27:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:36] Speaker D: Well, birds aren't real. [01:27:38] Speaker C: We had a lot of fun with it because we made like. I'm trying to remember, like, the Loch Ness monster was. Yeah. Underground submarine thing. [01:27:50] Speaker A: The Kraken is actually like an under base, you know, and the tentacles are reaching up and grabbing people. Like, the whole thing was just like, absurd. But, like, there are definitely. Like you said, Jeremy, there were people out there like, oh, yeah, this guy. [01:28:02] Speaker B: We've got messages. [01:28:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I Get, I get. I, I'm, I'm stepping in what you're, bro. Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. [01:28:10] Speaker C: It was a lot of fun. It was fun doing. He was working really hard on just doing like all this research and he was like, I just don't know even where to start with it. And I'm like, well, let's just kind of, of have fun with it, you know, do your little research and let's just poke fun. That's mysteries. [01:28:27] Speaker A: You just described the formula. Every one of my solves, which are all absolutely true and definitely what happened. Absolutely. Pretty much made up on the spot when, when I solve stuff, you know, I, I, we do, we do research and I do like to have good research in it and good information. I get excited about that stuff. And that's, that's one thing I love about a good podcast that does that. But then like, let's be absurd, let's be wacky, let's, let's say outlandish things. Yes. [01:28:55] Speaker C: Right. Yeah, it's, you know, in doing the podcasting, it's, you know, when you first start off, it's, it's very unnerving and it's, you don't realize how much work goes into doing everything. And once you get, you know, to have that little bit of comfort zone, I mean, I don't think I'll ever be a hundred percent comfortable. You know, I, I always stumble over my words. Editing is a wonderful, wonderful thing. [01:29:19] Speaker D: Exactly. Yeah. No, I'm right there with you. Yeah. [01:29:22] Speaker C: The nerves can set in and. Sure. You know, getting the comfort factor, like with meeting with you guys, like I said, we've never had a face to face. It's all been, you know, via, you know, chat and messages and stuff. But in the year that we've, year, year and a half that we've, you know, been, you know, talking to you guys, I feel like you're like friends that I've had for years, so that's awesome. There was no nerves at all. [01:29:47] Speaker A: Same. Yeah. [01:29:48] Speaker D: So great. Thank you. Oh, we love you guys so, so much. [01:29:53] Speaker C: You guys have always been extremely supportive, even through the little snafu we had at one point with, with that other, that one incident. [01:30:03] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:03] Speaker D: Yeah, those, that's right. Yeah. Well, you're gonna get, that's gonna happen. [01:30:08] Speaker C: Well, and that was just crazy. That whole scenario was insane. [01:30:13] Speaker A: Drama. [01:30:14] Speaker C: Drama. Same drama for your mama. [01:30:17] Speaker D: Exactly. Oh, well, this community you've built is really awesome. It's been. And you've clearly taken the time to curate and to involve everybody and to have People on the show and to run the trailers and everything. It's just you guys, we have a lot to learn from you, I think. [01:30:35] Speaker A: Honestly in a lot of ways, because your show sounds great. Like on a technical. Technically speaking, your show sounds really good. [01:30:42] Speaker D: Yeah. Like sonically. [01:30:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:44] Speaker C: Yeah, that's all him. [01:30:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:46] Speaker B: Jeremy is, I think exactly the same thing about you guys. [01:30:51] Speaker C: Right. [01:30:51] Speaker B: Like I see your guys show and I'm like, wow, hope we can get to that level. [01:30:56] Speaker A: Oh no. Oh, that is honestly huge. Cuz I, I thought we were flailing. No, not really. [01:31:02] Speaker B: I, you know, I can see the experience that you guys had because I know, Zach, you had a pretty big podcast before, didn't you? [01:31:11] Speaker A: No, pretty big. Stephanie and I. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's fine. [01:31:17] Speaker B: No, just kidding. [01:31:18] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we did. Stephanie and I, we've been doing this since 2018. [01:31:24] Speaker D: Since 2000. 2000 or. No, sorry. 2000, 220. 19. It was the end of 19 into 20. [01:31:30] Speaker A: We had, we. We had one called Life Wine for a while where Stephanie and another girl would watch Lifetime movies and then tell me the premise of the movie. I wouldn't watch the movie and then we basically. They would just tell me the premise of the movie and I would make dumb joke and the whole thing started years ago. Stephanie was starting this podcast with her friend and I literally just forced myself onto them and said, hey, I'll help you record. Recorded. [01:31:52] Speaker D: Well, I said I needed a studio. [01:31:54] Speaker A: So to be fair that I did have, you know. [01:31:57] Speaker D: And then he just started talking while. [01:31:58] Speaker A: We were like, hurt myself. And then that, that thing kind of. That thing kind of dissolved and it was a lot of fun. And then maybe it was like six months after that thing went away. We were kind of bummed because it's, you know, I just, it's. It's a great place to put, you know, an outlet. I stopped being in bands a decade ago, but I still need a place to go where strangers will tell me I'm good at something. And so like this is. Podcasting is a great place for that because I tried stand up comedy, which is like super hard. It's super hard to be a stand up comedian. Turns out you have to be like a genius. Like Robin Williams, I think was might have been like literally like a different like next level of human from us, you know. [01:32:33] Speaker D: Alien. Yeah. [01:32:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So she was like, hey. She literally. Did you come up with a title before you came? [01:32:39] Speaker D: I did, I was watching. I did. Actually. I was watching one of the new Unsolved Mysteries because we were talking we're like, trying to figure out what the premise was going to be. And I was like, oh, know, I don't know how it came to me, but I was just. I was like, oh, Zach solved mysteries. Oh, no. I had it all at once. I was like, zach solved mysteries. We'll recap a show, an episode and you solve it. And it was like, boom, boom, let's do it. And we already had the experience from the first one, so we knew how to, you know, find the host and the, you know, all that stuff and. Yeah. And then. Yeah, we did ours at the. It first came out of 2023 January on Robert Stack's birthday. [01:33:14] Speaker C: Oh, very cool. [01:33:16] Speaker D: Yeah. In honor of the Great doing. [01:33:18] Speaker C: The name is tough. That was a hard one for us. We kept looking, you know, coming up with different things. Everything was already. Somebody was already using it. [01:33:26] Speaker A: Yep. [01:33:26] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:33:26] Speaker C: And then I don't remember how we came across the. I don't remember if it was you or me or. But all of a sudden one of us said, total conundrum. And I'm like, I really like that. And then. But it was like, well, is that gonna really work? But I'm like, well, ghosts are a conundrum and murder's a conundrum. So everything's a total conundrum. [01:33:47] Speaker D: Totally. Y. [01:33:48] Speaker A: And three syllable rhythmic words. Humans just naturally. That's easy to get stuck in your head. Conundrum, Conundrum. It's just like fun. [01:33:57] Speaker D: Hard to spell fun to say. [01:33:59] Speaker A: Who did the. Who did the little brain artwork for you guys? [01:34:02] Speaker C: Yeah, Jeremy came up with the idea and then he kind of designed it out and then hired somebody to create it for us. [01:34:10] Speaker A: It's really cool. Yeah. [01:34:12] Speaker D: Yeah, I like it. [01:34:14] Speaker C: I love it. We actually. I love our little brain. We just ordered stickers recently. My nephew was over the other day, the 17 year old that blew up on YouTube and I gave him some stickers and he sent me a snap video. His girlfriend was videoing him and he was out in a parking lot and he was touching all these cars and I couldn't figure out what he was doing. And then he was laughing in the video. You. And then he sends me a message. He goes, had some of the extra stickers left. So he goes, any new subs are on me. Putting our stickers under people's wipers. [01:34:52] Speaker A: Absolutely. Just a little minor vandalism to just promote the podcast is awesome. You should have stuck them like right on the windshield, you know, like really ruin their day. [01:35:03] Speaker D: I think they kept the backing on, right? [01:35:05] Speaker A: Yeah, he Did. I'm saying he should have stuck him to the windshield right in the center. [01:35:10] Speaker C: Would never forget. [01:35:11] Speaker D: I'm sure I'd be like, oh, I like these guys. Yeah. [01:35:14] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:14] Speaker C: But, yeah, it's funny how everything just kind of comes together. And like the song that we have for our intro and outro, we had picked a bunch of songs, had people listen to it. What's your favorite? And there was one that was very close to the theme song of Stranger Things. [01:35:32] Speaker D: Oh. [01:35:33] Speaker C: And it was very close, but it wasn't exact. And a lot of people picked that. That. But I'm like, no, we both. Jeremy and I are both like, no, I like the upbeat. It's like it makes, you know, your head bops to it. You wouldn't, you know, you gotta move. [01:35:46] Speaker D: It's more unique too, I think. You're not trying to, like, hop on a bandwagon or anything. [01:35:51] Speaker A: I recently tried to change our music because, you know, so the. The Unsolved Mysteries music is iconic and famous, and you hear it and your brain immediately goes into fight or flight because you're like, ah, what's gonna happen? [01:36:01] Speaker C: Right? [01:36:02] Speaker A: And. But if you. If you actually watch the show, like, as much as we've watched the show show now, every three or four seasons, they change the music up. And that iconic music is not the same music that through the all 11 years of stacks run, or that Dennis. [01:36:15] Speaker D: Farina, you know, the third season, totally different. [01:36:19] Speaker A: Totally different music. And then the Netflix piece of garbage. They're ruining it. [01:36:24] Speaker D: It's not that bad. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. [01:36:32] Speaker A: Episode 50. Recently. Recently. And I was working on a piece of just kind of just some dark electronic music, and I was like, oh, let's maybe we update it. And. And I think Stephanie, like, quietly said yes, and then we put it in the episode 50. But then she's brought. Because honestly, you were right to do that, Stephanie. I love our original music so much better than the thing I wrote to it. I just. I was trying to find a, Like a vehicle to put our samples in because I, you know. Yeah, yeah. But. [01:36:58] Speaker D: Well, we need more samples. And that's on me because I was supposed to be pulling them. And then it just. [01:37:03] Speaker A: It's hard much. You know, now that it's. It's back in there, it's just so much fun. The whole. It's just such a great creative outlet for people that are forced to work jobs to, you know, live, you know, and you can't, like, if obviously doing this as a living is the goal. But the fact that I get to do this at all, I feel just like hashtag blessed. [01:37:26] Speaker C: Right. [01:37:26] Speaker A: And then just beyond that, to have other content creators and other artists appreciate a our stuff. And then beyond that, invite us to come onto their. [01:37:35] Speaker D: Like people. [01:37:36] Speaker A: You have people that pay you to, for whatever reason, see these two strangers, which is even more wild to me. Like, this is a Patreon episode, right? [01:37:44] Speaker C: It is. [01:37:45] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's even just. Wow. Wow. [01:37:48] Speaker C: Well, and you guys are. This is the beginning. We just started. Just started doing the. We've had the Patreon out there. [01:37:56] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:37:56] Speaker C: But we're just starting to populate it because we're getting to that point where we're getting ahead head recordings and having some extra time. We wanted to do something fun with the Patreon. [01:38:06] Speaker A: Patreon exclusives are fun. [01:38:07] Speaker D: This is gonna be. [01:38:08] Speaker C: This is this. You guys are the start of our. [01:38:10] Speaker A: Oh, that's. [01:38:11] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [01:38:12] Speaker A: We're inaugural. Yay. [01:38:14] Speaker C: Ground level John Dairyland Frights. And you guys. You guys are the. The beginning of our Patreon journey. [01:38:22] Speaker A: This is fun. We're like a. They're like a gang or one of those like rap crews from the 90s, you know, this is. [01:38:28] Speaker D: Yeah, this is cool. I'm easy E. And yeah, all right. [01:38:32] Speaker A: Sure, he did die of. He did die of full blown aids, but that's fine. You can do that. [01:38:37] Speaker C: Yeah. But no, it's been. It's been a fun. A really fun journey and we just kind of changed over. I don't know if you've heard any of the newer episodes, but since we came back, instead of one of us droning on talking about the story and the other one trying to fit the banter in or whatever, we're kind of going back and forth. Yeah, I like that story. Story now. And. [01:39:02] Speaker B: Yeah, and we're trying to stick with around an hour, you know. [01:39:06] Speaker C: Yeah, we. [01:39:07] Speaker A: Sure. [01:39:07] Speaker D: I wish we could. [01:39:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:39:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:39:09] Speaker D: We record for like two. Two and a half hours and it's just. [01:39:12] Speaker B: Yeah, well, we used to do an hour and a half to two, so. [01:39:15] Speaker C: Two hours. [01:39:16] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [01:39:17] Speaker C: We're trying to go on the little bit of the shorter episodes just to, you know, alleviate some of the extra work on the other end and then. [01:39:24] Speaker D: On the side other and put more. [01:39:26] Speaker C: Into promoting it and stuff and. [01:39:28] Speaker B: Well, it seems like with all the bigger podcasts that are coming now, you know, a lot of them are at the standard 54 minutes or whatever commute time type thing. [01:39:38] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I find that putting the preference. Putting the. I'VE been scripting more stuff and on the front end, so, yeah, it makes it a lot more. A lot easier on the back end. [01:39:49] Speaker A: Absolute improv does take three hours, which we used to do, I would say over probably the last 20 episodes or maybe more. You know, Stephanie's put a lot of work and I've put more effort into sticking to the outlines as best that I can. Sometimes I just got to cook, baby. You know what I'm saying? [01:40:08] Speaker C: Sometimes that's the best content. [01:40:10] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. There's still plenty of improv. It's just, it's. It's more. [01:40:15] Speaker A: More stuff does all the editing. And honestly, I was thinking before we started recording today, I'll was like, we don't have to do anything after this. This is their show to fucking deal with. [01:40:22] Speaker D: All I gotta do is perform, right? And like, we just listen to our own episodes beforehand. [01:40:28] Speaker C: Yeah, well, and that's why I wanted, you know, that's why I came up. When I came up with the idea, I'm like, well, instead of us telling stories which people are already used to, we'll have other people come on and share their favorite stories that they've covered. And then it's just. Then it's totally organic. It's fun. Nobody really has to put in less product. A bunch of. Yeah, exactly, Exactly. [01:40:50] Speaker D: It's brilliant. Tracy, you're so. [01:40:51] Speaker A: You. [01:40:52] Speaker D: You just. You're both. You guys are really good at this. You're really good at this. And, and your voices are really soothing, I feel, you know, when I listen to you guys, it's kind of like, oh, you know, even though you talk about horrible things. Well, I mean, that's what true crime works. It's like, oh, I'm going to go to sleep and listen to, you know, listen to some true crime stuff. Because it's soothing, right? [01:41:12] Speaker C: Yeah. It was funny. When we first started doing this, I had a really hard time time listening to my own voice. And now it doesn't bother me as much. I've gotten more used to it. But his voice I could listen to all day. [01:41:23] Speaker A: It's like butter, right? [01:41:25] Speaker D: Yeah, it is. It's like Keith Morrison level Peter Thomas. [01:41:29] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. [01:41:31] Speaker C: The first time when we went on our first date, I had. I had not talked to him on the phone. We had been texting and messaging and stuff. And I had to call him to let him know I was going to be a little late. And when I called him and heard his voice for the first time, I was like. [01:41:51] Speaker D: God, boy. [01:41:57] Speaker A: That'S awesome. [01:41:58] Speaker E: Adorable. [01:42:00] Speaker B: I don't get it. [01:42:01] Speaker D: He is. [01:42:01] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:02] Speaker B: I mean, I want Zach's voice. That's when I. [01:42:04] Speaker A: What? No, no, I sound like a child. [01:42:07] Speaker B: No, you got a perfect radio voice. [01:42:09] Speaker A: Do I? [01:42:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:10] Speaker A: Like, I. I like my own voice, but that's because I think I'm great, but I just assumed it was very grading on other people. I. Honestly, part of me doing this has been civil disobedience just to get back at everyone that ever said I wasn't gonna make it in your head. [01:42:26] Speaker C: Look at me now. Look at me now. [01:42:28] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm on top of the world. [01:42:29] Speaker C: But no, you both. You both do have those. The perfect voices for podcasting and stuff, too. Like, I remember commenting to Jeremy when you read for the Willow Brook, I was like, man, that was just the. The music you overlaid and the way you told the story. And I was like, mine sounds like a wild. A whiny little teenager when I'm talking about. [01:42:51] Speaker D: Not at all. Not at all. That was super fun. We should do another one. [01:42:55] Speaker C: We should. [01:42:56] Speaker D: For October. [01:42:56] Speaker B: Love to do that. [01:42:57] Speaker D: That would be fun. [01:42:58] Speaker C: Yeah, we just did. We recorded Trevina Castle recently. I think that one just came out like a week or two ago. Jeremy actually wrote that one one. But we didn't put in anything in there stating that he wrote it or whatnot. Because I think it's going to be fun to see if any other stories of Trina Castle pop up. Yeah, like ghost story, haunting type thing. [01:43:22] Speaker B: Make it. Make it like a fake viral thing. [01:43:25] Speaker A: Yeah. No, I mean, honestly, that's the way you got to play the game nowadays now. [01:43:30] Speaker B: I got to cut this out of the video, though. [01:43:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I blew the secret. Yeah, that's fine. [01:43:36] Speaker A: That's awesome. Well, I think on Spotify right now, it's only has a. The one minute trailer up. Or is that out for Trevina? [01:43:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it should be out. [01:43:44] Speaker A: I thought it was because I was. I was taking a peruse this morning. I thought it was just a one minute trailer. [01:43:48] Speaker B: It might be next week maybe. [01:43:50] Speaker C: Oh, is it? [01:43:51] Speaker D: So you guys do. Okay. Yeah. [01:43:52] Speaker C: Oh, it came out. [01:43:53] Speaker A: Am I lost? No. I was thinking Winchester Mystery House was the one minute trailer. [01:44:00] Speaker D: Oh, okay. [01:44:00] Speaker B: I think that that's out. [01:44:02] Speaker C: That one Winchester came out. [01:44:06] Speaker B: We don't. We don't even remember anymore. [01:44:10] Speaker A: I get it up on 50 episodes. Right. [01:44:12] Speaker C: Pretty soon Winchester was episode 44. [01:44:16] Speaker A: Okay. [01:44:16] Speaker C: So, yeah. I just added. Recently added those videos. I didn't realize you could. I think it was just yesterday. I didn't realize you could put videos out there. [01:44:24] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:44:24] Speaker C: On spot. [01:44:25] Speaker A: Spotify. Yeah. Yeah. Because they. They want that. They want that YouTube market share, too. [01:44:31] Speaker C: Well, and then I. When I went out to Spotify, I noticed that we had a couple comments from listeners on an episode or a couple episodes. I was like, oh, sorry. Comments. [01:44:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah, that's new. [01:44:43] Speaker D: Yeah, it's new. Yeah, the comment thing. So. Yeah. [01:44:46] Speaker C: So I guess I don't normally go out to the platforms to look. I just look at our. [01:44:51] Speaker D: You. Yeah, your. [01:44:54] Speaker C: Yeah, the Castos analytics and stuff like that. So. [01:44:57] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:44:58] Speaker C: But. Well, again, you guys, thank you so much. This was so fun. And we will definitely have to do this again. And we're on another. Another fun story. That was. That was quite the treat. [01:45:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Really good. And it was so much fun to do it with you. Yes. [01:45:13] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [01:45:15] Speaker C: And a great, great story. Great skits, great everything. [01:45:19] Speaker D: You guys were amazing. You guys are such good sports and. Yeah, we appreciate it. Yeah. And we'll definitely. We'll have you on soon. Maybe next month or whatever. We'll figure it out. [01:45:28] Speaker C: Sounds great. All right. [01:45:29] Speaker B: Sound. [01:45:30] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:45:31] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:45:32] Speaker A: Be safe out there. [01:45:32] Speaker B: You too. Bye. [01:45:34] Speaker A: Bye, Stephanie. [01:45:35] Speaker D: See ya. [01:45:36] Speaker A: Y. Awesome. [01:45:38] Speaker B: Thanks for hanging out with us here at Total Conundrum. Please make sure to check out our website and [email protected] for news, upcoming events, merch bloopers, and additional hysteria. You never know what will pop up, so be sure to follow along. If you want to show your support for Total Conundrum and gain access to all of our bonus content, please visit our Patreon page. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. The links are available in our show notes. 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