Episode 34 - Interview with Hidden in the Shadows

[00:00:31] Speaker A: If you dig the twisted, admire the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree, join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. [00:00:58] Speaker B: Warning. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Some listeners may find the following content disturbing. Listener discretion is advised. Hello, Conundrum crew, and welcome back to another exciting episode of Total Conundrum. Today we are interviewing our special guests, Megan and Isaac from Hidden in the Shadows podcast. [00:01:20] Speaker B: So let's embark on this thrilling paranormal adventure as we delve into the mysteries of the beyond. Join us as we learn about Megan and Isaac's unique abilities to connect to the other side. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Brace yourselves, conundrum crew. This is one episode you won't want to miss. 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Early on Wednesday has a list of 22 cryptids, and that last is growing all the time. We also like to dabble in demons, ghosts, and anything else that goes bump in the night or maybe lurking around your house with a creepy smile. Well, how haunted are your paranormal subjects? Sometimes the creepy noises and odd experiences have a perfectly logical explanation, and we gorgeous ghouls love to dive in the psychology behind everything. But other times, the only possibility left is that your house is haunted, or perhaps a demon is trying to possess you. Do you really have that many serial killer cases? The early on Wednesday database contains information on 4743 serial killers, and sadly, there are 13,105 victims of serial killers, and this is estimated. Some of these victims aren't leaked to serial killers or have never been found to fill your murder juice cup we plan to cover them all. Well, you heard it here first. It's early on Wednesday. Do you know where you're listening? [00:03:44] Speaker B: Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Total Conundrum. Today we have Megan and Isaac from Hidden in the Shadows podcast. How are you guys? [00:03:57] Speaker D: Good, good. [00:03:58] Speaker E: Doing all right. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Good. So can you tell us a little bit about your show and where we can find you on all the socials? [00:04:07] Speaker E: Well, the show started back in 2020, like majority of podcasters during the pandemic, but we survived past it. We're still doing it to this day. We started our original podcast before this one called not your average conversation. All the conversations me and Megan to have it in at night were out there. So we decided, hey, let's make this a podcast. Because I started listening to podcasts a lot, and I was like, I wasn't totally set on, like, paranormal podcasts. I wasn't very happy with them because they all sounded like they were trying to put on a cart, like a character. Like, this is this dark story. What were you going to do to the next vampires and blah, blah, blah. Like, they had that. Like, they're trying to put on a character. So it wasn't like, really, I didn't like them. And I was real particular what podcast listened to was. There wasn't that many at the time, but I decided, hey, let's do it. And so we started NYC, but no one really liked us talking about other things. They liked us talking about just the paranormal stuff. So we focused just on the paranormal, and we decided to hidden in the Shadows podcast. And that was born. And we started doing that, and we've been doing that since July 2020. [00:05:08] Speaker D: Yes. [00:05:09] Speaker E: Yeah. But where you can find us is hidden in the Shadows podcast on instagram, hidden in the shah, six on x, hidden in the Shadowspod card, two on TikTok, or links to all our social media always listen to [email protected]. [00:05:23] Speaker B: Awesome. So we kind of started the same way, but we started later in the game. We own a cleaning business. And I got tired of listening to music all the time because I was listening to the same stuff over and over and over. And then I started, like, playing certain, like, radio shows. Like, they'll have, like, I'm trying to think of the one that I was listening to, War of the roses, where they would, like, try to catch somebody cheating or whatever. I would, like, binge stuff like that. And then somebody's like, well, why are you listening to the same radio station and the same thing? Listen to different podcasts. And so then I started listening to podcasts. I love the true crime. I love the paranormal. And then I started getting Jeremy into listening as well. And then it just kind of blossomed from there. Also knows, one day, one day I was like, we can do this. Let's try it. Let's do it. But had no idea how much work is actually involved, you know, with ever setting everything up and then doing all of your research. I think we launched in July of this year. And so we're still, we're still a baby pod, still learning all the ropes and. But we've met so many amazing people. And Isaac, I actually heard you on Kevin, where the weird ones are. Podcast. [00:06:50] Speaker E: Yeah, I've been on his podcast three times. [00:06:53] Speaker B: Have you? [00:06:54] Speaker E: Yeah. And I keep telling it because each of those episodes are 2 hours long, right? [00:06:59] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:00] Speaker E: And I told him in the beginning with me and Megan, the whole reason we started the podcast is because we have enough parallel experiences between the two of us to probably write a couple of novels, if not more. [00:07:11] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:07:12] Speaker E: All the three episodes, all that 6 hours of me talking about stuff. [00:07:16] Speaker B: I still like have more, still haven't scratched the surface. [00:07:19] Speaker E: Yeah, I still got a lot more stuff. And I told him about a few things that the next time I come on, I'll talk about. But he's just like, you still got more than two? I got mountains dude episodes. But yeah, Kim's a good guy. [00:07:33] Speaker B: Yeah, very good guy. Yeah, I enjoy him a lot. We've had him on our show and we just recently recorded to be on his show. I don't think. No, it hasn't come out yet. I think it's coming out next month or something because he's so far ahead. And we also have done a collab project with them. I started doing, I wanted to do like a progressive story with our listeners, and nobody was like kind of grasping onto the concept. And I was talking to another podcaster about it. She's like, why don't you do the progressive story with a bunch of podcasts? So I wrote a beginning of a story, and then we had like 15 different other podcasters and we're all building. Each person took a turn and wrote the next chapter, basically. And we're working on putting that all together right now. So we'll have like a, I think it's about a 45 minutes, you know, fictional ghost story written by 15 different podcasters. [00:08:33] Speaker D: Oh, that's cool. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Yeah, very. It was so much fun. I could not wait for each person to like, turn in their section so I could find out what was going to happen next. And then Kevin ended up ending the story, and nobody in the group knows how the story ends yet. They won't know until they listen to it. [00:08:55] Speaker D: That's really cool. [00:08:57] Speaker B: So we're going to try to figure out another fun collab project. Jeremy was trying to think of a way to do, like a kind of like a clue murder mystery with a bunch of different podcasts. We haven't figured it out yet how we can do it, but I think it'd just be. I love doing collab projects. It's just fun showing the creative side of all the different podcasts and people. And so if you guys are interested, we'll get you in on the next one. [00:09:27] Speaker D: Yeah, I like, well, I love that kind of stuff. I love, like, writing and, like, being creative, like that kind of stuff. So I'm down, definitely. [00:09:37] Speaker E: And I've been looking to get into the voice acting world so well, in. [00:09:42] Speaker B: Your voice, it's so funny. Your voice is totally. I did not, you know how you kind of picture somebody from their voice? I pictured something completely different. And it's like when I. I don't know how to like what I'm trying to say, but it was funny because there was an episode, Jeremy was watching your, one of your episodes on YouTube, and I said, oh, yeah, I listened to that, you know, that episode, and that was when you were on Kevin's or whatever. And then I pulled up today. It was so funny because I pulled it up and I was listening to a few of your guys's episodes just to kind of, you know, like, I haven't really listened to them too much yet. And so basically this morning I was listening to a bunch, and then I pulled up your pictures on Instagram, and I was like, oh, my God, that's the same person. I didn't even realize it. But, you know, some people's voices just, you know, you picture something in your head, and when you meet them in person or, you know, whatever, it's amazing how different it is. But you have the radio voice like Jeremy does. He's got that deep, you know, like, I love the radio voices. [00:10:56] Speaker E: Welcome to 995. [00:11:04] Speaker B: So, anyway, let's kind of get into some, like, little Q and A's here. So can you tell us about your journey discovering this, your psychic abilities, and how you kind of came to realize that you had a connection to the paranormal? [00:11:22] Speaker E: Oh, you go first. [00:11:24] Speaker D: So mine actually started, so I guess I should say that abilities in my family, like, they run generational my grandmother has abilities, my mom has abilities, and I have abilities. And it seems like every generation, it's like stronger and stronger and stronger and earlier as well. So my grandmother and my mother, they pretty much didn't want anything to do with it. They were like, we got more stuff to deal with in everyday life. I don't want to deal with ghosts and stuff like that, but with me, like, some of my earliest memories is seeing stuff. And my mom had no choice but to kind of deal with it when I was a young kid, because I would go into her room and say, hey, there's a man in my room. Can you help me? Things like that. I'm seeing a shadow figure, this and that. Like, it was great. No house we lived in was, like, safe. I always saw stuff. I always. It was a hard time getting me to sleep by myself, that kind of thing. And I would kind of, like, even when I would spend the night at friends house and stuff like that, I would be like, hey, by the way, your uncle said this, this and this. And she would go tell her mom, you know, my friend. And her mom would be like, well, my uncle is dead, so I don't know what. Know what she's saying. And so my mom had to pick me up from, like, sleepovers a lot and friends house because I don't know. [00:12:52] Speaker B: What they're telling me to say. [00:12:55] Speaker D: Yeah. And I had no clue, like, what was going on. It just because they look like normal people to me. When I was a kid, almost the best way to describe it is kind of like the boy in the 6th sense movie when he would see people, right? That's how clear I would see everything. And as I got older, I kind of realized, hey, I'm not supposed to be seeing this stuff, this stuff. And then, of course, with the good, you have the bad as well. And I'm pretty sure some of the stuff that I saw as a kid and stuff like that was not 100% good either. So as I got older, you start going through more things in school, in elementary school, middle school, and I just didn't want to deal with it. Plus, I also pick up things off of people. And so, you know, everyone's energy at school and stuff, it was a lot. So I started trying to shut some things off, and it didn't work. Stuff was still kind of coming in, and I just kind of blocked everything off. [00:13:58] Speaker B: And then when you say you, like, picked up more, like, was that kind of like an empath? You know, like being empathic? [00:14:06] Speaker D: Yeah. With me, my abilities it seems like remote viewing and stuff like that is the strongest. And my intuition towards people, I may see somebody, and if their intentions is not good, no matter how much I try to like them, I get a warning sign from them. And that's helped me in different situations. As a kid and as a teenager, I knew who to be friends with, who not to be friends with, who was going to betray me, who wasn't that kind of thing. And he was just like, didn't have the purest intentions, even though they seemed. But it wasn't until I got pregnant with my son. And so I was already an adult. There was an instance that happened with my son, and I was still blocking everything out at this point where I had seen him make a long story, even short, he got pulled off the bed by something, and there was no way, but I saw it. I saw this shadow thing just pull him off. And he was young, like, he was not a newborn, but he was like, where? Yeah, he couldn't, like, roll over. He couldn't, you know, he was stationary and he was asleep as well. But I saw his leg get lifted. Like, someone grabbed him by the leg and pulled him off the bed. And after that, I was like, okay, I gotta start tuning into this stuff. Not to mention when I was pregnant, I don't know if there's, like, a correlation with, like, pregnancy of, you know, being like, that you're carrying, you know, a new life, essentially. Um, but my abilities just boomed when I was pregnant. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Like, does your son have any that, you know, I was gonna say they might have just heightened because his were being created at, you know, while you were. [00:15:53] Speaker D: Yeah. At that moment, I knew I had to do something, but there wasn't a lot of resources at that time. Even so, 2016. So there wasn't, you know, like, all the paranormal podcasts that they have now, they didn't have it really then, so I really didn't know where to turn to. And then when the pandemic started, Isaac and I decided to, you know, start a podcast. And then we just kind of. We kind of moved to doing the paranormal podcast. I kind of made a decision that I wanted to go full force with my ability. And then that's when I started making connections, talking to people, understanding more, even having, like, mentors and teachers that could give me, like, pointers on what to do, connecting with other people that had similar experiences, and learning how to protect myself and meditate. And now I'm at, like, where I'm at now. I fully embrace it, and I don't have a fear of the abilities and. Good. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Do you have an ability to kind of turn it off? [00:16:54] Speaker D: Yeah. So with me, it's. It's super hard to do that. Like, I can. I can kind of stop. Like. Like, say we go to a location, right? And there's a spirit that is. I call it imprinting, when, like, I can feel what they're feeling and, you know, they want me to feel what they're feeling, and they can't really verbalize it, but they can make me feel it. I tend to. I haven't. I have. Where I can turn that off, and there's different things that I personally do. Like, you know, setting boundaries and stuff like that is a big thing. Like, if I'm. If I don't want to be bothered saying, like, hey, stop. So for me, like, I can't. There's not, like, an off switch, but I can set boundaries so that, like, if I need a break, because sometimes that happens, especially when you're feeling a lot of energy. And two, like, when I do interviews or I talk to people, sometimes I have to do that just because, you know, all the stuff will come in sometimes. And, like, if I'm in a big group with people, because it used to be really bad for me to go grocery shopping when it was crowded because of all of the energy and people and automatically tuning in and channeling and all of that stuff, I just. I couldn't do it. And I just kind of have learned how to put, like, a shield or a bubble around myself. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but most of the time, I'm able to kind of, like, get through whatever it is. [00:18:20] Speaker B: I couldn't imagine. I have a hard enough time going into Costco and not running somebody over with my cart. Normally, I could imagine feeling everything around you. Oh, my goodness. That would be overwhelming. I'm sure it takes a lot of time and, you know, just mental preparation for some of that stuff. Stuff, too. [00:18:43] Speaker D: Yeah. And sometimes it could get a little bit, like, you know, you're trying to do. Overstimulating is the best word, because you're trying to, like, if I'm cooking dinner, I don't want to, you know, I'm trying to focus on the recipe. I don't want to hear, like, hey, I died in, like, 1875. Can you help me? [00:19:01] Speaker B: Right. That would. I couldn't imagine. That would be crazy. It's hard enough, like, having your, like, children. [00:19:08] Speaker D: Yes. [00:19:08] Speaker B: Pulling on your pant, like, mom, mom, when you're trying to focus on doing dinner, your daily activities or whatever, but having a whole other, you know, basically a whole other dimension world, you know, whatever, coming at you, that's. I commend you for being able to do that. It's. I applaud people that have the abilities and just being how they can handle them and how they deal with them and stuff. And, you know, I believe that I, when I was younger, and we'll cover, you know, we'll. I'm sure we'll talk about more of this when we're on your podcast. But I've had a lot of experiences, like, when I was younger, and I've had things happen as an adult, but I think due to fear, I've shut my. Shut some of that stuff off, and I've had, like, premonition dreams that have come true. And so I always fear when I dream certain things that, you know, like, I had a dream that I was in a car accident. We went into water, and my kids were in the backseat, and I couldn't get my one child out of the car seat. Thank God that never happened, but other stuff. So that was like, until all of my kids were out of car seats, I was paranoid every, you know, anytime I drove by water or drove when it was bad weather, you know, we live in Minnesota. We always have horrible driving conditions, like six months out of the year, you know. [00:20:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:20:39] Speaker B: So I was so fearful of that, and I think for me, I shut a lot of that stuff off because it was, like, too much for me. So, yeah, yeah. [00:20:53] Speaker E: Now we get into the very outlandish part of our podcast and what our paranormal team can do because of me. [00:21:03] Speaker B: Now, I love listening to you talk about this. [00:21:07] Speaker E: Now for reference point, before 2020, I was not a psychic comedian or anything of the sorts. Granted, I had enough of paranormal experiences that I could, like I say, from the ranch I lived on, even when we were early days of dating, even in our marriage, in this house system. Paranormal stuff. But it was September of 2020 when my ability awoke or came to me, however you want to take it, where I can feel, manipulate, control the energy of the other side, from ghosts, from spirits, demons, to any entities that are essentially fourth dimensional. On right. We describe any kind of paranormal arid creature whatsoever. And the energy is in my hands, how I do it. And I describe it as charging. When I feel a sensation of my hands numbing, almost like the feeling of when your hand falls asleep and it starts in the middle of my palm and spreads out through my fingers, the closer and stronger the entity is. So I figured out through practice is that when my left hand charges, it's a person, a human sting, a light spirit, anything on that side on a positive spectrum of energy. But when my right hand charges, that's something evil, something dark, something on a negative form of energies, whether it be a negative person that was human or a negative entity that never was. And I can feel them. Not only can I feel them like a natural EMF detector, I can pull that energy in and trap it and imprison it in a ring that I've been doing for the last three years. And not just any ring. A King Solomon replica ring made of steel and silver. Nothing special, but I got the idea from a member on our team, the previous team that we were part of. A member of the team had a vision and his dreams, the king Solomon symbol. And he sent a picture of what he saw that he drew to the group chat that the parental team were part of. Luckily, at the time, we had a member who was jewish, and he recognized the symbol automatically. Hey, that's King Solomon's symbol. That's a symbol that was on his ring is a famous tale and story. So I looked up King Solomon, and for those who don't know, King Solomon's story is told in all three abrahamic faiths. So, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, they all talk about King Solomon, but from three different perspectives. So, Christianity and Judaism say he imprisoned seven, he imprisoned 70 demons. But Islam says he imprisoned 70 jinns. Right? So, Jin, Jews in Islam versus the other Christian in Judaism. So that gave me the idea, if you know why his king, using psalmitic magic, was able to imprison 70 demons in his ring, and I'm pulling energy in, can I send that energy into the ring? And the symbol that's embedded on the ring, can it imprison them? So I tried it, and it was only like, maybe a month after I was doing it that Megan heard screaming coming from this ring. Yelling, swearing. Yeah, and. Cause her ability allows her to channel. Tune into different things, but she can hear. What the hell is in that ring? I said, oh, you can hear? Yeah, I can hear it. But when you. When you were viewed into the ring, she said it looked like a giant snow globe with all these dementor looking kind of entities floating around, hitting this glass, unable to leap. I've had other psychics and mediums tell me it sounds like a prison. All these inmates yelling and screaming at the same time. I'm gonna kill you. The worst things you can think of, right? [00:24:33] Speaker B: Right. It reminds me of, um. What is the superman? Oh, yeah. Phantom zone. [00:24:41] Speaker E: Yeah, he sends people to phantom zone, which. And when I first I was doing this for a while, someone ever asked me, it was like, do you have a name for the ring? I'm like, no, I just. I just call it the ring. But then that gave me idea to call it sien the circle, which is latin for no escape. [00:25:02] Speaker B: I love that. [00:25:03] Speaker E: Yeah. Because nothing ever escapes from there, ever. But evolving my ability and learning that or practice meditation, speaking to my spirit guides, getting closer to that whole side of the spiritual, my journey, I was able to look through my third eye and see exactly what's happening with my hand. And it's not essentially a vacuum, like sucking up everything in one section. They're actually strings of energy that leave each of my fingertips in the center of my palm. And those strings fire out and wrap around the entity like a boa constrictor, tightening and squeezing and pulling it to me at the same time. So I have to reiterate this. I'm trying to say this as not, I'm not cocky or egotistical in any way when I say this, nothing has been able to stop me. Nothing. [00:25:54] Speaker B: That's amazing. [00:25:56] Speaker E: I have taken a last report. I think I'm up to 83 confirmed demons, right? So I beat Solomon's record by 13 so far, but 83 confirmed demons. Now, there might be more, but at the time, I started counting after 25. And only the big names, the tough ones, the high rankers, the ones that would be considered princes of hell or generals, those were the toughest. Those are the ones that put up a fight. And those are the ones that had caused me for my ability to evolve. Because every time I met with a challenge, it evolves to the next place. So the first high rank I ever took down, he was able to pull on the strings, like, able to pull them off him. I was like, oh, crap. Oh, crap. And all of a sudden, I felt electricity run through my hand. And it tased him. But it looked like it tased him with, like, enough voltage to light up a city. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Holy cow. [00:26:52] Speaker E: Weakened him enough for me to start pulling him in. And then I got him in the ring. So my ability evolves to match something so it doesn't get taken the next time. And I'm always learning how to apply my ability to certain ways so I don't fail. But in addition to my ability is that I learned that if I took your right hand and held it, I could see into your mind forest. Why I call the mind force is essentially the subconscious, subconscious part of your mind. That where all your darkness dwells, your trauma, your negative emotions, things that you subconsciously are consciously suppressed in one location. And when I enter that place, I can find that energy. And it takes shape in different forms, from animals, from other entities, from crime scenes. It all varies. And everybody's forest is different from the foliage, from the type of trees, from how tall they are, from how dense they are, from the time of day, from the color of the moon. It varies for everyone. But when I take that stuff out of your mind, forest, your main spirit guide, comes forward to take the place to protect it from future transgressors. And I'm not saying that's your only one. It's saying it's your main. Like, someone would do it to me. Davey met with an aztec jaguar warrior named Azul, who is my main spirit guy. He's like the first one that ever came to me. But that ability to hold your hand, I don't essentially need to touch you anymore, because again, it evolved that I can reach through the phone to where you are and pull anything that's at your place over through the phone to mine, essentially folding fourth dimensional space like our. My phone is here. Your phone is me across the nation. When I pull, like, back to back, and then I reach through, grab, and pull to my side. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Well, hopefully you don't see or feel anything here, because I've never have. [00:28:47] Speaker E: But it allowed us to do 31 home cases, and then in the last three years. [00:28:55] Speaker B: Wow. [00:28:56] Speaker E: And 28 of those involved demons. The others were just bad human entities that were there, but 28 involved oppression cases. It's about 28 full oppression cases. 31 in top total home cases of people dealing stuff without their home that they couldn't take care of or they didn't want there. And actually, I've almost cleared as much mines as cases we've done, so I've done a lot of mind force clearings as well. I did four in a row in one sitting, just looking. Hey, do me next. Do me next. Like it's a party trick or something. But this is what we've been doing for a while now, and. But that's where I got the name the shadow Walker, because we spoke to another podcaster, and she's also a paranoid investigator, PETA, who's part of Ethereum sisters paranormal in Australia. [00:29:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:29:44] Speaker E: And she had a friend named Jane who does something similar. But we come to find out the last psychics and mediums in the world have a thing called an ema, an energy manipulation ability, something extra added on to being a psychic medium altogether. That's where we differ. I don't have any psychic medium abilities. I have this. But she explained that she can pull light energy in like a person and cross them over to the other side. Okay, but she never dealt with any dark. Never. She said, I don't like dealing with anything dark. She's. I guess that's where you would come in. But when she went to her shaman to explain this ability and find out what it is, he told her, oh, you're a psychopomp or you're a shadow walker. So that's where the name came from, the shadow Walker. And that's why I call myself then on. But it's only one of my six names. But the shaman thing, that's what triggered me to figure this out. And Megan found out that there are some shamans from nordic, Aztec, haitian, and some Native American that used a staff, and you would pull negative energy into the staff to imprison it. So there is some old stories about someone like me. But again, the difference between any shamans, any priests, any lightworkers, any investigators is I don't need anything. I don't need prayers, I don't need symbols, I don't need spells, I don't need stones, I don't need anything. I just need to be in a room with it and it's done and over with. [00:31:07] Speaker B: And I'm assuming it's always the dark. The light doesn't get pulled through. It's just the. The darkness that evil and stuff like that. [00:31:19] Speaker E: I made it my Pacific rule never to pull anybody of light. That is rule to do so. Like they're just there trying to exist. And they hate any crossover. If I pull their energy and that's, I guess the end of them, I don't want to do that. So now I've only never gave any quarrel to or no, gave no quarter to anything dark. I always take them. Every single time something, I feel something around, grab, put in the rain, you're done. And everything that I put in there is stayed, isn't able to leave. [00:31:47] Speaker B: That's amazing. To be able to. For somebody who's dealing with some evil and demonic stuff in their house, to have that ability to clear that for them, I can't imagine how grateful they are. [00:32:05] Speaker E: Oh, yeah. Our most profound case, a woman named Dal, and she's from Canada. Her son was being oppressed by a witch, a spirit of a witch and three demons that were in her stead. And it got so bad for him. And he was like twelve or 13. He couldn't walk. He literally was dragging himself on the floor. And that's. She called in a shaman. It went away for a little bit, but it came back. She had a paranoid investigation team come in, but she kind of. Her faith. People in her family said, no, we don't need that kind of stuff around that paranormal team we're good friends with is Mike from unknown paranormal. Okay. Christy from that team. And they. I reached out to them again. Hey, can you reach out to dal again and ask her just to have a video call with me to prove what I can do? So she said, yeah, it's fine. She was standing outside of her house talking to me, like, how we're talking right now, and I said, point your camera to the. To the house. Right? I'm gonna do. I want to do something for you. She goes, okay. I reach in. I reach it around the house. I pull something, and I put it in the ring, and I tell her what it looks like, and she gasps, because that's exactly how her son describes it. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Whoa. [00:33:13] Speaker E: Yeah, it was a shadow, but it had white face paint on its face. His eyes were white, but it had horns that turned in. Right. And she was like, that's how she described. He describes them, and I was like, oh. So I got one of them then, and we went through the house. I pulled this. I pulled that, pull that, pulled this. The witch was actually knocked him down to the floor because he was playing standing up, and he fell on the ground, and he's crying. She says, what happened? So the witch pushed me. It's mad at me. So I pulled her, and we ended up finding a portal in the back backyard, which I closed. Hey, also, yeah, I can close portals, too. It's like grabbing a rubber disk that's, like, an inch thick and trying to use it. Close. [00:33:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:33:57] Speaker E: So it's. They're a little tougher, but, yeah, I closed the portal, did all that. Megan put a nice protective shield around the house, and they haven't had anything since then. She said, it's like it never happened. There's no remnants of it whatsoever. Nothing. He's. He's 100% better. He's actually training an MMA. He's getting. He's getting fast. Like, it was a bad memory now. And she literally messages, like, once a month to thank us. Like, over and over again. She always stay, thank you so much. Stuff. Like, always send us a message. [00:34:27] Speaker B: She actually came. [00:34:29] Speaker E: Sorry. She actually came on the podcast and told her story from her point of view, which we have on the podcast. It's called, basically just called Dow's story. [00:34:36] Speaker B: I'll have to look that up. That's amazing. I'm sure. I mean, that everything had to have been a light. That's a life changer for her. I mean, her son was basically incapacitated because of those entities. I. Yeah. Wow, that's really cool. I love that story. [00:34:57] Speaker E: Yeah, we, uh, we always try to let everyone know that what we do, we do for free. We never charge for our services whatsoever. At any time, any place, doesn't matter. I feel it morally wrong to do so because it's like a doctor asking, how much can you pay me before I fix you? [00:35:16] Speaker B: Right? [00:35:17] Speaker E: So if I have this gift that I haven't met anyone else who has something even similar to what I have, and I can do it better, faster, more efficient, guess how long it took me to do that. [00:35:26] Speaker B: Oh, if it was over the phone, you didn't have the travel time. Um, I'm not sure for actual time wise. I don't know how the whole, you know, how long it takes to pull these things in, but I'm just going to say 30 minutes to clear the house. [00:35:42] Speaker E: Right on the button. [00:35:43] Speaker B: Wow. [00:35:45] Speaker E: 30 minutes it took me to clear the houses, clear his mind forest, because we found out with oppression cases that demons leave a copy of themselves. Like a failsafe in the mind that they're oppressing and virus. [00:36:00] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:36:02] Speaker E: We theorize that it's like a marker, like, like mark in your territory that let other dark entities know that, hey, this person's capable of repression if they get pushed away, like, hey, that person's capable of it. Go after them. Or it's a way to find a way back to the person. If, say, a priest or somebody comes in and kind of pushes them out, they can find a way back to the person. So clearing that out, you know, takes all remnants. Oops, there's our remnants of way to jump scare. Yeah, there's our remnants of that stuff ever coming back. But one other thing Megan fella tell you was when she remote views into any location, if I can't grab something because the phone dies, if it signals bad, she can body bag them. Explain. [00:36:57] Speaker D: So earlier when I said a remote view, and I would say remote view, astral project two spots, because, like, the way I view remote viewing is you take a screenshot of wherever you're going, whether it's like, present. Like, I'm trying to see what's at your place or on the ether. It's like a screenshot. Like, I get what's there. But if I astral project while remote viewing, I can interact with things that are there. So if there, if I interact to your home, essentially, and there's like entities and stuff like that around, I could see and interact with it and I could do it on command. Like, I can be talking to you and go somewhere. Yeah, yeah. It's just something I've always done as a kid, and I didn't realize it was part of an ability until I, like, started diving into everything. But another thing that I'm able to do is like, shield. So I was like, well, what if I did both? And I can, like, almost open a portal back to here while I'm astral projecting. So basically I will remote view and astral project to a spot. And if I see an entity that needs to go, essentially, that is dark, I only do it obviously, like Isaac with dark things. I don't do it to, like, people, but I'll basically put a shield over them that they can't move. And I take it back with me on the, like astral fishing line that I put out, if that makes sense. [00:38:34] Speaker B: Right. [00:38:34] Speaker D: And I back with me, and then I will put it in my mind forest. Then I, so essentially, it's like a temporary, temporary attachment thing that Isaac then goes into my mind forest and takes and puts in his ring. [00:38:49] Speaker B: I'm like totally envisioning in a different area throwing a bag over this bad entity. And it's kicking and screaming while you're you and your bad self is just dragging it across the floor like, you're me, bitch. [00:39:05] Speaker D: Yeah. And when I was doing it, because I didn't know what to call it, because I was like, what? You're able to do that? And I was like, yeah. And I was explaining it, and the only thing I could think of is the way the shield looks like when I take them is almost like a body bag. It's just like killed. And so I love the karate kid. And I was laughing because I was like, it. I just kept hearing that scene where he's like, put him in a body bag. I was like, okay, that's what we're calling it now. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Totally. I was picturing like a gunny sack type thing, but body bag totally works. [00:39:45] Speaker E: But it would get dangerous for those things to be in there. Not free roaming, but enough of their energy is exploding. It would give her headaches and stuff like that. So what did in her mind force? Because I have full control in people's mind force to build, change things, whatever I want, like, manipulate everything inside so I built a giant prison cell with very tiny windows, about two stories tall, about 10ft wide and 20ft long of solid steel. It's like a big giant metal cube. If you're looking at a rectangle and there's no doors, the only way it opens is I have put my tendrils to the front twist. Like I'm opening a safe door. So the key, or my, is my ability to open it. So whatever she brings in, she drops it in that prison cell where it's waiting for me to take, so it can't get out, can't damage Megan, can't do anything. And we put some strong things in there. So we put one thing in there, it was so strong, it was banging the cell around. The cell was moving, like, tipping on either side. So it holds pretty strong things at certain times, but it gives her easier peace from what's in there till I can pull it out of her mind for us. [00:40:50] Speaker B: Great, because it's protecting her from, you know, having something worse happen, too, you know? [00:40:57] Speaker D: Yeah, because like I said, it's like. It's almost like a temporary attachment, but not to the point where, like, I don't have control. Like, I have full control. And then Isaac doing that, because before, they would just be in essentially that body bag thing. Sometimes I could, like. Like, it would give, like, for me, if I take too much energy on, I get really bad migraines and so I would get, like, the headaches and I would complain about it to Isaac and, you know, like, what if I take something while he's at work or something like that? It's got to sit there. And then that's when he kind of did that thing in my mind, force. And it helps. [00:41:38] Speaker B: That's awesome. You guys were just totally meant to be each other so much in everything that you do. It's amazing. I love it. [00:41:52] Speaker E: The two of us combined make the most dangerous duo for dark entities in the world. [00:41:58] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. And we needed it. Great, you know, powerful duo. Because there is too much evil. You know, there's. It's lurking around every corner. It's. Well, like, for instance, so I told you, like I said, we own a cleaning company, and we do residential and commercial, and I've been in houses that I've just. Things are just not okay. You know, you can kind of feel. I usually get rid of those houses because I'm not going to be in there by myself once a week or once every other week. Not putting that, you know, putting that on me. But we do have a daycare that we clean. And there is, there, there has to be multiple different spirits there. And some are like more playful and some are not. Where, it's like Jeremy, he, uh, one night when he was mopping, he felt like he, somebody was charging across the room at him. So much so that he like, grabbed the mop and, you know, turned in defense and had the mop handle up and he just. But there was nothing there. And my youngest daughter definitely has some kind of sensitivity. She was able to figure out what, how many spirits that she believes that are there. And she actually was communicating with one. It was an 18 year old boy that had died in, I think it was in the thirties of cancer. And she figured out name. She figured out where he was buried, and they went and put flowers on his grave. And how she figured all this out, I'm not sure. And he's more of a playful ghost or not ghost entity or whatever spirit. And. But there's like, she says that there's a dark man that like, stands taller than the doorways. He like, almost like has to. He, like she would describes him as like bending over and looking in, you know, into like the doorways where she was and stuff. And how she sees this or feels this or whatever, I have no idea. But I got to the point with, we've been cleaning this place for probably five or six years. I don't like they're going there by myself. If Jeremy's with, I'm usually all right. I mean, there's times that I have to go there by myself. We've lost a lot of employees because people scared there. My son used to bring, he's got a service dog, a german shepherd. He would get the blunt of it. They. Whatever was there does not like when the dog was there. And he would literally have stuff like, thrown at him and would have, you know, just weird things happen. But for the most part, for me, it's like I'd have lights flicker. Lights turn on and off. I'd catch seeing somebody, like, walk by. There's like windows to the hallway, you know, I see things walk by. One night I was vacuuming, and I swear I thought Jeremy walked up behind me in the hallway. And I stopped and turned around and he wasn't there. And I was like, well, that's weird. So I turned around to start vacuuming again. And then also I got a right on the back of my neck, like this big burst of air. And I was like, bent down, turned the vacuum off, calmly walked upstairs, and I looked at Jeremy. I'm like, we need a break. He's like, what's wrong? I'm like, we need a break. And he's like, okay. And he goes, what happened? I'm like, I'll tell you outside. I would never talk about it inside because I didn't want to, like, acknowledge it. And then finally one day, I just got mad because if I felt so uneasy all the time, I'm like, that's enough. Just leave me alone while I'm here. I'm not hurting you. And for the most part, you know, things. I'll still, like, feel things here and there, but not, like, experience. So I don't think there's any other than what my daughter said. The one thing that sometimes you just feel like you're like, at the end of the night, I'll like, wrap up a vacuum cord or something. But it's like all of a sudden I feel like I've got to go really fast, and I want to get down this hallway. Or if I lock the door to the building, I won't look back into the building, locking the door, because I'm always afraid, like, something's going to be, like, right in the doorway, you know? But so, I mean, I. There's certain things that you can feel, but I don't know. I mean, it's a daycare, so I would hope that there's nothing evil there, but it's just that I've always so I have never wanted to be, like, getting to, like, ghost hunting and stuff like that until Jeremy's. But Jeremy's been, like, kind of helping me ease into, like, gotten some equipment and stuff. We've gone to a few different places, and I'm starting to get more ease. I'm learning that I'm more afraid of, like, I don't like the jump scare stuff, but the ghost stuff is starting to not freak me out as much. Where I wouldn't even. There was at one point a year ago, I would not even go into a graveyard at night. Jeremy's like, just, let's go to the graveyard and just, you know, turn on a spirit box or whatever. See if there's anybody that want to talk. Wants to talk. And I'm like, oh, hell no. Hell no. And then, like, we went with a couple of people at one time, and I wouldn't even get out of the truck. And then it got to the point where I would get out of the truck, but I'd stand next to the truck because the truck was, like, my safety. [00:47:57] Speaker D: Yeah. And I think that's one thing too, with abilities that I could say because I was, you know, very fearful in my, like, adult years and teenage years and stuff like that, is you kind of go over this, like when you're first diving into a village and stuff, it gets like, kind of creepy and kind of like. But then once it's almost like you go over a plateau and then once you go over it, you're good. Like, the fear goes away. Like, I've had things, like demonic things in my face, yelling, telling me things, like, just like really, really bad things. Like they're going to hurt my family and stuff like that. And before I, you know, I think back and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I would have cowered at that at the very beginning, but now I'm like, okay. And I don't believe you. You're just saying that to intimidate me. Like, that's body bag, you know? [00:48:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:48:51] Speaker D: So it's definitely. So that's just kind of like, the thing I know with me with abilities is like, it always starts out kind of like scary and fearful, but it goes away. [00:49:04] Speaker B: I love the fact that you guys, like I said, you're this like, dynamic duo. It's pretty cool. Let's see. I think we've gotten to one question so far. [00:49:16] Speaker E: Damn changes. [00:49:18] Speaker B: I love it. I love your guys stories. I just want to make sure we're not. I'm going to look here quick. I don't want to repeat anything. Is there any other, like, profound or really memorable experiences that you've had with my ability? [00:49:32] Speaker E: I've gotten so used to feeling immense dark energy with my right hand. And nothing's ever charged my hand up to my elbow, to my entire arm since the first time I ever pulled. But the most profound thing I ever felt was the left hand. Right? This is human, this is positive energy. Was when we were at a library now, but in the early 18 hundreds, it was a hospital and for kids and stuff like that. So at this library in no Morehead city, Morhen City, we, we investigated there and we, I think it's our third time there. We decided to do a mass exodus of spirits to cross over. So one of the members there, he did kind of a prayer over everyone to see if they leave. Megan open up the, basically the doorway for them to leave. That's one of her many gifts so that she can help spirits cross over. And while that was happening, right. I was just feeling around, just check if anything dark decided to interfere. But nothing did. It was, it was after we were done that my left hand charged, and it kept charging. It went all the way up to my shoulder. I could feel this energy. I had to put my hand up in a direction, and where it was was like two stories up inside the building. And the only thing that I could think of with that amount of energy was there was an angel, possibly or extreme positive entity that was there witnessing and watching. But that's the most positive energy I've ever felt on that end of the spectrum. Granted, I couldn't see what it was because I can't see or hear them, but my tenders allow me, when I wrap something up to see what I pulled and grabbed. And when I go into the ring, I can see what I, what I, what I grabbed and talked to it and basically interrogated to get information out of it. But the rhinehead was the first time ever pulled, was actually Halloween of 2020. So about a month after my ability came to me, I was outside with my son, and I was, I think it was barbecuing because we weren't trick or treating at the time. And he was just out there with me. And I see it. We have one light in the back yard area next to the door, and I see a shadow run behind me. Oh, shit, someone in the backyard. I gotta check my flashlight. I look around. I couldn't see anything. And then my son, he's autistic, he's nonverbal. And we taught him some sign language so he can communicate with us. But basically he was saying that he was scared. He's scared, right? He's frightened. I go, what's, what's wrong? And he said, he points in the direction in the shadows of the backyard, and he goes like a monster, right? And then Megan comes out and she's. Why is killing Brian? What's wrong? What's wrong? And you said, like, I don't like what's over there. I was like, I don't like what's over there. [00:52:10] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:52:11] Speaker E: And my hand, right hand starts charging. I'm like, oh, what is this? So I reach out and I feel around the backyard. And then instinctually, I feel myself grip, grip the air. When I did that, I was. Started pulling. When I pulled, it, almost like electric shock went up my entire right arm into my head when I felt that for the first time. And then I let go because I didn't know what I was doing, and it ran away, but still had enough energy to stay and basically call out Megan's name. [00:52:37] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, that's. That's so common. [00:52:40] Speaker B: It doesn't even do not call out my name. [00:52:47] Speaker E: That was the first and last time anything's ever gotten away from me. Everything that I pulled since that day on has never escaped. [00:52:56] Speaker B: Well, and I'm sure it was just because you didn't really know what was going on. [00:53:00] Speaker E: Yeah, I realized, oh, I was pulling that energy in and then doing paranormal investigating, joining a paranormal team that literally January of the next year, 2021, is when I started investigating, going out places like, oh, I could feel the same thing. I could pull it in. And that's how I practice, practice, practice, practice, and got to the point now where pulling something dark or evil is not so much of a challenge, and then going to locations and stuff like that. I think the scariest final test for me is to see if I can pull a demon out of someone who is fully possessed, not oppressed, possessed, like spin chair, cussing, swearing, talking to different voices. Right. To see if I can reach in and pull the demon out of the person and imprison it, and the person will automatically go back to normal, was my assumption anyway. [00:53:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:52] Speaker E: But that's like one of the final things I've never done yet. Because it's going to take a perfect scenario for it to happen. It's going to take someone who knows who we are, willing to call us for it, and willing not go to the catholic church to hire an exorcist or the. Or they do, and they basically say they don't think it is possession and stuff, so they basically toss them to the side and they reach out to us. But that would be like a perfect scenario, which hasn't happened yet. It might, because we both have dreams about it happening, and she gets messages and visions of it possibly happening in the future. So it's a strong possibility. Plus, in the world we walk in. [00:54:29] Speaker B: Oh, definitely. And the way that social media and everything, and how we all come together and meet each other and all, you know, and all of these different things, the bigger that your circle gets in the podcasting world, the more you're going to be aware of, because I think. Didn't even. Didn't Kevin ask you guys to help another sort of paranormal, another paranormal investigator? Was something in their house or a person or something, I can't remember. [00:55:04] Speaker E: She considered herself a white witch, but she's had stuff around for a while and had me walk around the house and pull things. And she was the first person to ever see, see the entity sitting on the couch. A shadow then looked like it was getting sucked into her phone. She saw that happen, and she went oh, my God. I go, what happened? What happened? I thought maybe it scratched her on the way, on my way in or something happened. She was like, I saw it. I saw you, what you did. It was like, oh, well, congratulations. You have three people who've ever seen my ability. Most people just feel it change. They don't see anything happen. They still move away. But seeing stuff. No. Killian, when he was our son, when he was about three or four years old, we found out that he has abilities. It's a combination of me and her, because she projects, like, energy out for, like, a shield, pushing stuff back. And my hands allow me to pull things in. And we noticed one night in the den, he was walking towards something, and he was like, no, no, no. And he put his hands up, right? And he just had his hands up, like he was, like, trying to tell someone to stop. But really he was holding the entity where it was. Because I felt around. I felt where it was, and it wasn't moving. It wasn't trying to run away or move right or move left. And he was, like, holding it there. When I grabbed it and hold it, and I put in the ring, he turned around to see where it went because he could see it. And he didn't know I was there until after he turned around. When I pulled against it, he wanted to see where the energy went. [00:56:28] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah, well, he's going to be an incredible superhero, too, just like dad. That's very cool. And the reason he probably does have the autism is because he's got. He's. His purpose is bigger in this world. I have a nephew that is autistic as well, and that's. I look at him and I'm like, you are going to do amazing things. I mean, he is. The intelligence that boy has and certain things blows me out of the water. And I don't even know if autism, autism is the right being on the spectrum or whatever. You know, I just think some of those kids are going to be our future. They are just the most incredible. And whether he's your son is going to be the next superhero and ghost hunting or whatever, solving all the world's problems, he's. He's going to be amazing. [00:57:30] Speaker E: Well, we talked about an episode one time. We theorized that there is a strong correlation between psychic mediums and some form of autistic on the spectrum. Because me and her, me and Megan both have high functioning ADHD, me more so than her, but we both have our variations of what we have. Her focus on our son is problem solver. He understands. He memorizes things. He has very, like, engineer style mind. He always wants to know how things are built. He fixes. I mean, he continually builds and works on things. He understands. The only thing that kind of holds him back is his speech. His speech level is not on par with his age. He's, like, maybe four years behind of how he should be talking. [00:58:10] Speaker A: We'll be back after these messages. [00:58:13] Speaker B: Hey, paranormies. I'm Britney. [00:58:15] Speaker D: And I'm Alexa. [00:58:17] Speaker B: And we're the hosts of they don't stay dead. We're a paranormal podcast from Australia, and we've made it our mission to share. [00:58:23] Speaker D: With you all the real life ghost. [00:58:25] Speaker B: Stories and haunted locations from our home. [00:58:27] Speaker D: As well as encounters with supernatural beings. [00:58:30] Speaker B: And reports of unknown mysteries. From haunted asylums and ghost ships to big cat cryptids and alien encounters. There's something for everyone. We release new episodes every Thursday, and you can find us on Spotify, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to check out our Instagram adon't stay dead. For weekly updates. We get a little bit spooky and a lot silly. So join us for some laughs and a tale of the unknown. Stay spooky, paranormies. [00:59:05] Speaker E: But other than that, you would never know he's any other kind of kid. But we've talked to other psychic mediums in the world and coming to find out that a lot of them or on the spectrum, and we theorized that you have to kind of actually have a high functioning mind in order to have a psychic ability that's very proficient, like me. High function ADHD. I got diagnosed with, like, three years ago because I did a test for it, and I was like, everyone talking about, oh, if you do this, you do this on TikTok, it's like, if you do this, you might have ADHD. And I was like, I do all those things. So I went to the doc, and she did a simple test. She goes, yep, you have a high functioning ADHD. Said, I can give you medication for it, but you seem to be. You work through it your entire life with no problems, so I don't think you do. It's like, yeah, it's fine. I just. I guess now I know why I overanalyze, and it's extremely observant of everyone and everything I meet. Could have been a good detective, but I never got into that kind of line of work. [01:00:04] Speaker B: But, yeah, I definitely have the ADHD, the. The OCD where, you know, being a cleaner, that's probably. Well, I was in the computer field for a long time I was a computer tech networking stuff like that. And you know you have to have that you know obsessive you know I'm going to solve the problem type you know so it was like perfect for me. And then going and opening our own cleaning business it's like I'm like over the top on everything that we do but I always laugh. I'm like I can go in and clean a 6000 square foot house in four to 5 hours from top to bottom no problem. But I can't get through my 2000 square foot house in an entire weekend because I go into one room and I got to go do this. Oh this needs to be done. I need to go in the next room and oh shoot this needs to get put away in this room and then I'm in that room and by the weekend, end of the weekend not a damn thing's done. So I have major ADHD when it comes to or add whatever when it comes to doing things like on my own like even sitting down like with the podcasting stuff it's like oh I have to return messages, I gotta check emails, I gotta get a story done. There's editing that needs to be done and it's like I literally have to create myself lists and my like you need to get tested. I'm like I don't need to get tested. If I have a list I can go through my list and it keeps me on pretty much on par. Granted there's squirrels that jump out here and there that. [01:01:45] Speaker D: Yeah that's me. I'm always, I have so many notebooks where I make lists. He always laughs at me because you never do them. [01:01:51] Speaker E: You just write them and just leave them. [01:01:53] Speaker D: Yeah like when I do do them or like with me one of the biggest things is it's so crazy but apparently it's an actual thing. I have to wear shoes to be able to in the house to be able to do things like on a structured thing. If I'm in like comfortable clothes or like no shoes on I tend to not do things and it's a weird thing and I guess it's because you know like you put your shoes on you're getting up, you're getting ready to go and it kind of puts you in that mindset you know even as a kid you're trained like put your shoes on, it's time to go like so for me I have to literally put my shoes on to literally make sure everything that I need to get done is done or else I just tend to relax and chill out instead of, like, pedal to the metal forward. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it's hard. It is so hard. And you know the difference, like how I can go into somebody else's houses. They have their house. They pre clean for me where I need somebody to come in and pre clean my house. Like, you know, put away the things that are out of place so I can just get in there and clean or hire somebody else to do it because I just. And Jeremy and I are empty nesters now, and the house never really gets, like, messy. It's just things are out of place here and there. You know, the island is always a gathering place for everything. So it's like that. You're going to move these things to the places they belong. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is just an endless circle. [01:03:24] Speaker E: Yeah, but I answered my part and we went off another tangent again because we do that. But what was that question you originally asked me? [01:03:33] Speaker B: Something about profound, oh, your most memorable experiences. [01:03:39] Speaker D: So for me, actually, both of these experiences happened at that same library. So I never knew going into abilities until I actually started working with other teams and stuff like that, that you could cross spirits over. I never knew how. I mean, I probably did it, like, subconsciously before, but I never knew how until another psychic explained to me, like, you know, sometimes it's just hearing their story or validating that they're there or telling them, you know, that there, there's a better place on the other side. You're not going to get judged like you think you are, you know, like that kind of thing. And there was a time, it was the first investigation before we did the investigations. And sometimes this happens, you know, like, regularly for me, where I'll get visions of what's there before we go there. And so I was getting this vision of me reading a story to this child spirit. So we go on the investigation, and I'm drawn immediately to, like, the kids room of the library. And I'm there with a couple of the investigators and they're trying to get responses. They're really not getting anything. And so I was like, hey, can I just, like, take over for a little bit and see what happens? So I started replaying what happened in the vision, and I asked, do you want me to read you a story? You know, like, I'm a mom. I would love to read your story, but you haven't read a story in years, you know, because it was obviously a child spirit. And so we got answers, like, yes. And I said, well, I don't know what book you want. You got to show me what book, you know. So I said, knock, knock. Where you want me, what you want me to read? And so we hear knocks, and right above it, where the knock was was the word read, and below was a book. [01:05:30] Speaker B: I don't know how. [01:05:31] Speaker D: I guess it was just left there because it was an operational library, and it was a book about a boy and a robot. And the robot wanted to find a home. And so I said, okay, you know what? Let me read that one. You chose that one? How cute. Let me read. And it was crazy, because the boy in the story looked a lot like how I was seeing him. And so I was like, okay, I'll read it. So I sat down and I read, and I read it exactly like, you know, I would to my son, you know, with expressions and stuff. And in the story, it was talking about, like, this robot was seeing people. Cause it was in a toy store, and it wanted to be, you know, taken home to someplace. But because it was, like, older, it was. It was. It couldn't find a home, like, whatever. And then this one boy found the robot. And before I got to the end of the story, the spirit box started going over, going off, and said, thank you. Thank you. And I started getting, like, this really just, like, light, like, glowy, like, hug feeling. And then as soon as I turned the page and it said, the robot finally found its home, it said, I'm leaving. Thank you. [01:06:38] Speaker B: You're gonna make me cry. [01:06:41] Speaker D: And so he crossed over, and the feeling, like it was just. It was the first time I had done that, but the feeling was just, like, so much joy and so much light. And the thing, too, like, we've noticed on investigations, when Isaac removes these dark things, it makes the lighter spirits come forward so much easier. Cause they don't have that, like, energy drainage sucking on them, you know? [01:07:08] Speaker B: Yeah, they're not being oppressed anymore. [01:07:10] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. And another thing kind of going along that same line was in that library. It was extremely. It had an extremely dark basement. Like, stuff was just dark. And at that time, were you trapping things in the ring? No, I think you were just pulling, right? [01:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:29] Speaker E: Because before I learned to put things in the ring, I would pull the energy into myself and filter it like a natural frustration system. That's where I can describe it. And a week, an hour, a minute, I don't know what the time period was for the chill right up my spine or, like, you're getting that kind of feeling. And then I would release that energy neutral energy out in a breath, right? But that act of pulling and filtering into myself started to take a toll. And I noticed my right side of my. She noticed the right side of my beard in my hair were turning gray. And she's like, uh, it's aging you on the right side of your face because my right arm, I'm doing so. Luckily, though, it was like maybe a week later, Mike had that vision of the ring. And then I started using the ring. And I have gray hairs now in my beard hair, but that's because I'm looking close to 40. So, uh, but that's not because of what I'm doing. I'm not aging because I'm aging naturally, stuff like that. But most, if I dyed these hair, I think I'll look 29. But, uh, that's when I was. I was still pulling the energy and filtering it. But at the. At the, um, the library, there were three entities, three human dark entities. And one of the most impactful things at that library is I. Well, one of the other things I can do is if I put my hand to the ground, I can feel the dark energy in about a hundred yard radius around me. And I can, when I feel them, I can pull from that ground at a certain point, creating some kind of like a giant fishing net that catches them all and pulls all the dark energy in, filtering them out from the positive energy and all at one point, I have in my hand and I can take them. It's kind of like the last thing to do at the end of the night, just in case I missed anything. We did it in the basement of this library. And me and two other investigators we used to team with. Two other guys with us were down in the basement area, and then you were upstairs and. [01:09:20] Speaker D: No, that was when I was down. [01:09:22] Speaker E: Oh, you were with us. [01:09:23] Speaker D: Yeah, sorry. [01:09:25] Speaker E: She was with us and you hear the spirit box? Shut up. Stop. No, don't write. Because Mike started doing a prayer and they're telling him to shut up over the spirit box. Like, shut up. I don't want to hear it. Shut up. Right. And when I pulled, I pulled the whole place and we stood back up from. Kind of took a little bit out of me at the time. We noticed on the ceiling. And the ceiling is. I'm 510. I could touch the top of it. So it's maybe like 6465 high ceiling. We notice these giant finger prints, like, being, like, swiped in this ceiling, in the dust, as if someone was trying to grab it as they're being pulled one direction. [01:10:01] Speaker B: Whoa. [01:10:03] Speaker E: Yeah, they're bigger than mine. I put my hand up to it. They're, like, maybe, like, that big or around, like, real big, thick, you know, fingers. But after I did that, uh, you. [01:10:14] Speaker D: Yeah. So he went down there, and I could feel. I mean, I was still very new to, like, feeling the energies and really, like, immersing myself, doing all of, like, the. The different things that I had done with my. That I do now with my ability, was, like, the very start of it. And, um, he. He pulled, and I was able to basically feel the space of what the, like, light spirits that were stuck there were feeling. And so I could feel how I started, like, freaking out, because I could feel, like, everybody, even the entities and the spirit, like, getting, like, anxiety about what was happening. [01:10:54] Speaker E: Right? [01:10:55] Speaker D: Like, the darker stuff was like, no, no, no, we're not going. We're not going. But then I could feel the lighter spirits, like, yeah, please let them go. Let them go. [01:11:02] Speaker B: You know, a little bit. [01:11:07] Speaker D: So that was a lot of emotion. And I was like, you need a pull. You need a pull. Come on, come on, come on, come on. And so he pulled, and I remember after he pulled, I started crying because I could feel the relief from the other one, other spirits. But the crazy thing with that is that I wasn't crying how I cry. It was like I was imitating other people, and so I pretty much freaked out the other investigators because I'm pretty calm. Like, I don't really. You know, I'm pretty a bubbly person, so, like, I don't normally show that much emotion, but, like, I was, like, screaming. Crying. Like, I was so, like, when you're just so joyous, right? No, like, you're crying, like, oh, my God. So that was probably the most profound thing that I've ever experienced. I have a little bit more control, like, feeling that now, so I don't just, like, start crying, but. But, yeah, that was probably the most intense thing because I was just into, like, just experiencing that extreme exchanging of all of that energy was just, like. Because I. You know, I'm feeling some of them cross as well. So just. Just the. Yeah, it was just a lot of energy, but that was probably the most profound. [01:12:19] Speaker B: That would be crazy. But it's so cool to be able to basically do that last little lasso effect. Just make sure there's nothing, you know, nothing hiding that you didn't see or, you know, I don't know if they can, like, you know, hide on, you know, I just envision it as kind of, you know, it's in a different plane. But is there a plane within the plane that they can kind of, you know, go in and out of? So it's, like, not always there. I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. What I kind of envision when I, you know, think of, like, the other side of the veil or whatever, but I guess it's, you know, like some people will say that it's. It's almost like, what would you call it? Like, a monotone. I kind of envisioned as being like a monotone world type thing. But we call it the ether, okay? [01:13:11] Speaker E: Between our dimensional space and their dimensional space. When they have access to a world that we can't see, we call that area space the ether. People call it the further or the other side or beyond the veil or whatever, but essentially, it's the dimension between dimensions, and that's how they're able to interact with the US from our experience. And that's what we've learned. Our best guess and theorizes that is an ether, a space between the fourth dimensional space that we theorize is where all spirits lie. And then between that space is where they're able to interact with us. And if they cross that line into ours, that's where you see shadow figures or shadows or entities or anything like that. Creatures, however you want to see when they're actually here. And then they can jump back and disappear and stuff like that. [01:13:55] Speaker D: And see too. I like just through meditation and downloads and stuff like that that I've gotten about information and visions and stuff like that. Is portal. Nine times out of ten, if you have a lot of paranormal activity, there's normally a portal because it serves as, like, a doorway that they can. And out. And the way I see it is like we have our plane, right? Like the 3d world, what we're in. And then when we die, you know, we're going up to, like, heaven or not, essentially, I guess, down, because I believe. I believe that there's, like, higher and lower dimensions that almost mirror each other. And when you open the door, like, depending on your vibration when you die, you know, if you're fearful you might get stuck here. I feel like the people that are stuck are in the, like, lower dimension. It's not necessarily mean it's bad. It's just. It just so happened, and you're trying to get further up, basically. And essentially, when you are helping those people, you're basically opening a doorway for them to go up. So that's why, like, sometimes at locations, I will intentionally open a doorway so it's easier for them to cross over. [01:15:13] Speaker B: That's so cool. Just like the process of it is so cool. I couldn't imagine how it feels when you are crossing someone, like you said with the little boy, that the warmness and for somebody to finally have their closure and finish business and to be able to just move on to. None of us really know what you're moving on to. You're not stuck reliving or, you know, stuck in this world without everybody else. You know, I always hope that, you know, you do get to move on with your family and, you know, see people that have passed and. But whether or not that actually happens, I don't know. I don't think any of us do, but that's so. I love it. I love everything that you guys, and like I said, you guys compliment each other so well on everything that you do. You go in and lasso the property, and then you get the. You feel the. The relief that, you know, from them being like, so, you know, suppressed from the other ghost or the evil entities or whatever is in there. That's just so amazing. I love it. [01:16:32] Speaker E: Glad you do. Because we've come to find out in our practice of what we do. It's like we know for sure we're going to make a lot of enemies and do what we do because we're taking away the bread and butter of paranormal investigators out there who are essentially clout chasers who are only doing it for the fame. And when we leave a location, we go investigate. We don't technically investigate. We simply go there to clear out all dark entities and have its own spirits cross as we can, or who choose to leave, making place dramatically less haunted than when we found it. To a point. If we. If we went to, say, Bobby Mackey's, it would not be even a 10th of what it was before. After we get done with it. Same for any. Any famous haunted location. We go there, do what we do, come back. You'll find maybe one or two spirits that choose to stay behind. But other than that, the place is going to be empty and we're going to continue do that overall. [01:17:24] Speaker B: Funny that you said Bobby Mackey's, because when you first started, when we first started the interview, the first place I thought that popped into my head is like, I wonder if they've ever done anything at Bobby Mackey's. [01:17:37] Speaker E: We wish. [01:17:39] Speaker D: Well, that's one of our main goals, is we want to travel and help stuff like cross and cleanse some of these places that are dark. I know like, personally, I've even been told by people, other paranormal investigators, hey, don't cross everything. We need things to stay back because they do like the ghost tours and stuff like that. We need things to stay back or we need to study or we need to do evidence. The thing with me is like, I will never forcefully cross somebody over because that's free will. They want to behind and they got more things to do, then that's fine. And Isaac isn't taking, you know, necessarily or not taking at all the light spirits. So even if he goes in there before an investigation takes the dark stuff, you still can interact with the light stuff. Like I've been told from some investigators, like, hey, you know, you might want to leave some of them behind so we have something to show people. And that's not okay because those are people, right. You know, that's the last thing I want to do is be stuck here by, you know, something freak thing where I'm stuck and I can't cross over because that person needs entertainment, entertainment money or something like that to sell, you know, like ghost wars and stuff like that. And. Yeah, so, yeah, I have very. [01:19:07] Speaker B: A lot of animosity towards. I call him bagel bites Baggins. His show is entertaining, but it pisses me off. They, I know they're, you know, he tries to act like this big badass or whatever goes in and I'm possessed. I'm this, I'm that. You know, it's the show and. But we actually did an interview with Jenny. She is from Minnesota. Jeremy and I want to go to the Palmer House hotel. We haven't had a chance to be able to get there yet, but it is known as one of a really haunted hotel in Minnesota. But we interviewed her because I ran across some videos that she had done in, you know, in investigating the Palmer house. And she actually used to be an employee there. And so I emailed Minnesota Paranormal society and they got me in touch with her. And she actually is on the Minnesota taps team. So she works with, you know, there's. I didn't realize that there's a taps team in every state. And so they go in, they don't do. They don't charge people. They do, you know, whatever. But the Palmer house, she like, has this link to. It's like they. She will feel from across the state when the energy gets turned and she still be like, okay, we need to get back to the Palmer house. And so she's got, like, she worked there for many years, has investigated like, feels like she knows all of the spirits there personally. And so they. The owner of the hotel does not allow Ouija boards or anything to be brought in. If she finds out somebody brings a Ouija board, literally, she will throw them out, the people and the board. So anyway, she said that she would go there with us sometime and do an investigation, and she was telling me this story. So supposedly, nobody has. There's all these beliefs that people have died in this hotel and whatnot, but there is no documented deaths in this hotel. But each spirit has a name or a little bit of a backstory from what they've gathered throughout the years or whatever. And the story she told us, there's this female spirit that kind of stays in this one more. In this one room. They don't just stick to the rooms. They move around and whatnot. But anyway, so this room has been turned into where it has, like, a hot tub, like a. It's a Jacuzzi suite room. And she said that they had this, like, cuban investigator, short, stocky guy, you know, you know, had a few extra pounds, you know, whatever. And she said that the one night that, um, they were there on an investigation, they all wrapped up, and she felt like she. The spirit that was normally in this one room moved into her room. She could just feel that she was there, and she could feel she was kind of a little. Not agitated, but more frustrated. And she was talking about it the next day over breakfast with the team and the guy that was in the Jacuzzi suite room, which was her room. So what time was that at? And she goes, oh, I think it was about, you know, such and such time in the morning. He goes, that's when I got in the jacuzzi. And she started laughing. She's like, well, she didn't want to put up with your naked butt in the jacuzzi. So she came over and visited me. I just thought it was funny. But, like, they said everything there. They try to keep the energy clean. They try to keep it, you know, they'll go and they, like, make the energy positive again, because the ghosts will get to the. Or the spirits get to a point where they get antagonized so much because it is known as a haunted location that or think people will bring things in and not realize what they're doing or opening things up. But I thought that was really beautiful, that they really focus on keeping the energy at that place positive and to make it a good experience, and they are open about what to do and how to approach things and, you know, and. But she does not allow them to be granted. She did let ghost adventures come in, and the episode I wasn't very impressed with because he made it like, you know what they do? They just. I was kind of, like, shook my head at it, but it was kind of cool to get it, you know, from a different point of view. So we have that place. As soon as Jenny is available, we're gonna go there and stay the night with her, and she's gonna kind of help, you know, do a little investigation with us. And in April, Jeremy and I and my sister and her husband, we're gonna go stay at the Roff house and Illinois. I don't know if you've ever heard of that one. [01:24:26] Speaker D: No, no. [01:24:27] Speaker B: It's basically, it was the. The house is known for having the first known possession in the United States. [01:24:37] Speaker D: Oh, wow. [01:24:38] Speaker B: Yeah. And not. It wasn't a demonic possession. Their daughter died, and the neighbor girl was possessed by their daughter. [01:24:47] Speaker D: Oh, whoa. [01:24:49] Speaker B: And so then for some reason, the neighbor's daughter ended up moving in with them because she was possessed by their daughter. I don't know. The 18 hundreds were a pretty screwed up time. But anyway, the house was kind of going to shambles, and some guy bought it and renovated it and turned it into an Airbnb. So we're going to go there and stay there for the weekend and bring our ghost stuff with. And I don't know, everybody says that, you know, some people will say that there's a lot of activity there, but I'm like, how much activity is there really there? If you're renting this out as an Airbnb and people are not realizing anything's going on. [01:25:33] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:25:34] Speaker B: Like, we're going out, you know, going there with, you know, open mind and if there's anybody that wants to talk or if anybody's there that, you know, wants to communicate, will be there for them to communicate. But I don't know. We're totally new into this, the whole ghost hunting and, you know, paranormal experiences, which I want to dive deeper into it. I love it. I have more confidence. My sister thinks she's going to be running out of the house before, but maybe while we're there, I should reach out to you guys and you guys can remote in and maybe we could do something like an Instagram live and see if you guys see or feel anything there. [01:26:18] Speaker D: Yeah, that would be awesome. [01:26:19] Speaker B: That'd be kind of cool. [01:26:21] Speaker E: That's right. I remember a lot of investigators we talked to in the past. I always offer my services in case they get into a place that gets a little out of control or something's there that's actually starting to harm them. And it's like, just video. Call me. I can reach in, I can take whatever's there and make it safe for you guys to investigate. Not a lot of people take up an offer because then they lose the evidence that they would catch if said thing was still running around. So that's where you get, you know, people not wanting to essentially work with us. We have a lot of. We have some investigators that choose to work with us. Like, they'll bring us on for a live or something like that. But we have a lot of escapes that we know that obviously don't want us to take away anything because then they lose the evidence they can get at set locations. Those who are making us, like, I don't know, blacklisted amongst the paranormal investigation world because we are not looking to collect evidence. We're looking to help clear things out of a location. [01:27:16] Speaker B: Right. [01:27:18] Speaker E: There's three kinds of paranormal teams that we've met. One are like clout chasers, just out there to get evidence, to get famous from it, wanting to be the next ghost hunters, wanting to be the next ghost adventurer, those kind of tv shows. Then you have the actual paranoid investigators that have respect for the dead spirits. They ask questions. They don't antagonate. They have all the same equipment. They're looking to catch evidence, but they do it in a respectful way. Then there's a third kind, which is only me and my wife's team, which we go with. One directive in mind is to clear all dark entities out, have a human spirits cross over, and then that place is a peaceful place. Now, we. We've not really invested much in equipment because we haven't needed any. [01:28:01] Speaker B: Right. Equipment. [01:28:05] Speaker E: Most people bring equipment so they can prove that something's there. We know if something's there. [01:28:10] Speaker D: And that's the thing, too, that I think some investigators misconstrue or assume but don't really know is like, when he takes the. The dark stuff, the light stuff communicates far more than if that thing is. Because that thing is trying to say, like, hey, don't, you know, you're not allowed to talk. You know, it's essentially a bully. But when Isaac takes that away, they're like, yes, finally, I can tell you what I've been trying to get through for years or whatever, you know? And, like, we've had some investigators that, like, literally go above and beyond to make sure we're not on their lives or that we don't take anything from their locations or whatever like that. And that's not. [01:28:57] Speaker B: Are you serious? [01:28:58] Speaker D: Yeah, and that's not what we're trying to do. We're not trying to, like, we want whatever teams to be successful, but at the same time, if there's something there that's bullying these people that they can't cross is going to get body bagged, you know, or take it. Yeah. So. [01:29:16] Speaker B: Wow, I can't believe. I mean, yes, I understand the, you know, wanting the proof and wanting this and that, but isn't the whole purpose, or maybe it's just what the difference between some people and other people, but for me, I would rather. Whatever is evil is gone and whatever is the white light needs to be, you know, if it chooses to move on to what's. What's next. And because, like, you know, there's. I'm sure there's spirits that don't even realize they're spirits. And I'm sure there's, you know, little children and, you know, just every. I just so much. So much. I mean, there's. We're all energy. Our energy's got to go somewhere. And I wouldn't want to be stuck in the same place every day, in and out. You know, I'd be, like, living COVID all over again. But, yeah, I just. I guess I can understand why some people would be like that, but in the same sense, it's like, it's all for the bigger picture. So have you guys ever gone into, like, remote or in person or anything? Like some of the haunted prisons or any of the, like, insane asylums and. [01:30:35] Speaker D: No, that is actually on my list. Because I definitely like when I. When I just kind of look at it and get the vibe from it, essentially. Some of those places, there's definitely people that need their. Need help, essentially. And there's. I feel like there's certain spots. There's some really dark things that I feel like Isaac could definitely take care of that could help because you got to think, you know, a dark. Because essentially, psychic mediums and stuff, this is how I was told is like, psychic mediums are like a lighthouse for these things on, you know, the plane that is essentially dark or like a black and white. Basically. They see these spotlights. They go to them. Some. Some people are candles while other people are like, what would you call them? [01:31:27] Speaker E: Spotlights. [01:31:28] Speaker D: Spotlights, yeah. So depending on your ability and stuff like that, you are either one or the other. But I also think dark places with traumatic past act like that. Almost like breeding grounds for these dark entities. So, you know, they see this and they go and they harbor in this. In these places where the energy is just negative, negative. It's all just like there. And it's essentially these dark things want to feed on that stuff, right? And so the light spirits, you know, you're just kind of cruising around and get stuck there or whatever. And these dark things prevent you from opening doors to cross to the other side. It's like you with the light spirit. They'll open a door, but then the dark thing comes in and shuts the door, and there's nowhere you going, you know? [01:32:13] Speaker B: And so I often wonder with, like, the asylums and stuff like that, you know, with the people that have had. That have been there for so long and had mental issues or lobotomies or, you know, things that were caused by people to make them more incapacitated, you know, I know that, you know, you've got the evil entities and you got the white. The white lights, you know, the good entities and stuff like that. But can some of those white lights turn more into, like, a dark entity from just like, basically years of the same, you know, the repetition and the basic, could a white light turn dark? I guess is what I'm trying to say. [01:33:04] Speaker E: We didn't really come across anything like that. She always theorized that the dark spirit maybe turned back to the light side. But we come to find out that everything we talk to, like, your energy of who you are when you died, is almost taken to the other side. And then that's when you decide to cross over or build your final judgment place or whatever your. Your version of heaven would be. We kind of take a lot of our beliefs and theories from Loris Cannon and other people like her, how she explained the afterlife and the way it goes. But we've. We come to find out when spirits are stuck here, they're stuck here in their light energy. If you were a good person or moderate person whatsoever, they're really evil person. You cross over and you choose to stay because either out of fear of judgment or you're still stuck here because you want. You forgot something. Unfinished business, as they always say. [01:33:51] Speaker D: Right? [01:33:51] Speaker E: You need someone to find something you're worried about. So. So family member, your. Your spouse is still on the. On the plane of existence, so you want to stay and wait for them before you leave. All different reasons. But we find a lot of spirits that die in places like a saint, prisons, or certain locations. If dark entities are there, they're kind of keeping them there and preventing them from leaving or even talking to anybody. Because dark energy are using their negative emotions that they might admit even when dead. Okay, so a light spirit never really turns to a dark because it's like whatever. You die as you permanently are until you cross over. So say you're a dark person who chose to stay. And then finally you get pushed to cross over and you finally do. You come back around again for your next life. This will, we believe in past life, multiple. Yeah. So that's the deorize we fear when we take this. But I pull the dark energy and I imprison it, not allowing it to go anywhere ever again. Because if you're choosing to stay here and torment other people, I'm not allowing you to do anything ever again. [01:34:54] Speaker B: Right? [01:34:54] Speaker E: Yeah. So basically I put them in prison. I don't allow them to go anywhere, do anything ever again. But the light spirits, we find out that a lot of them are trying to talk to us, and then we hear a voice come over, say, shut up. Don't talk to them. So they're keeping them there, as I said, location and not allowing them to leave or even go around. And that's what we find out. We take those things, the spirits that want to stay. Oh, thank. Get rid of the bullies. Now I can enjoy this space, right? [01:35:23] Speaker B: Whoo. Playground. I guess the way I'm kind of envisioning it is I can't remember the name of the movie, but it was a cartoon, which blows my mind. It's a kids cartoon or a kids movie, and it was the little boy goes over to the other world or goes across the veil and they're trying to get somebody to remember who they were talking about. Cocoa, maybe? Yeah. [01:35:53] Speaker E: Way across to the land of the dead. [01:35:56] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. I haven't seen the whole thing. I've only seen like, the last half of it. But it kind of, that's what I was kind of thinking of, you know, like where some of those people or whatever, um, the people weren't remembered anymore, so they started losing their memories. [01:36:12] Speaker E: And the film, they call it the second death. [01:36:16] Speaker B: Okay. [01:36:17] Speaker E: You're not remembered anymore. You basically fade out of existence. [01:36:20] Speaker B: Okay. [01:36:21] Speaker E: Yeah. [01:36:22] Speaker B: So, like, I haven't seen the whole thing, but it just kind of made me think of that. Like, the ones that have had like, the lobotomies and like the, you know, their, the mental, the mental breaks and stuff like that. So when they pass, if they were in this state of, you know, do they pass and go, like, back to how they were or do that when they pass. Are they in the state that they were when they passed? [01:36:48] Speaker D: I think it has to do. The best way I can describe it is almost like your pure intentions, you know, like, that got lobotomized. Their pure intention isn't to harm people, right. Or somebody that may have, like, a mental illness of some sort. Their. Their main thing wasn't to harm somebody in this life. And normally, the. How would I describe it? [01:37:13] Speaker E: Um, you find a lot that a lot of people's faiths that they had when they were alive stick with them when they're dead, because they often see the symbol on my chest, which is the vocnut. It's a nordic symbol. And we talk about using nordic runes as protection. We talk about other gods and stuff like that. So often we find sometimes a spirit box that a lot of the christian beliefd spirits sometimes don't trust us when we tell them to cross over to the other side. But they see what I do, and they're going, oh, this guy might be actually worth talking, listening to. So then she uses so much light energy that they consider her like an angel or something, because she's been called that through the spirit box a couple of times, right. She emits so much positive light, and she helps them cross over, and they're like, oh, an angel. I think angel came down to help him cross over. So that's kind of, you know, it's not a trick or anything, but it does help them to understand, okay, these people are here to help us. We should take their word for it. So. And then they cross over altogether. Some of them stay behind, because, actually, the first time we ever met a spirit that chose to stay behind was the doctor who worked at the library when it was a hospital. And when he died, he chose to stay behind the watch over the children. But when everything was gone, he said he still wanted to stay to watch over this place because it felt like it was his place. So, like, all right, doc, doctor. I forgot his name, but we asked it, okay, you're fine to stay. So he's still technically there. He hasn't chosen left or anything like that to watch over the place. But we kind of find a lot of places around here. A lot of spirits move on. You might have one or two that stick around or come look at the place, because, hey, there's so much positive energy in this one spot. Let me help me haunt this area for a little bit just to get some peace. So it's not every place we take out. It's, like, 100% not haunted. Anymore. But it's like 90% not haunted anymore, right? Yeah. [01:39:07] Speaker B: Well, that's, that's, uh. You guys are just amazing. Absolutely amazing. I love it. Absolutely. It's. I could not imagine, like I said, if I did have anything. At one point, I. I closed myself off slowly. I'm trying to get into, you know, being more open to this, and it's like, we went to this graveyard in Duluth, Minnesota, so we heard some scratching. [01:39:34] Speaker E: At her door over there. We thought it was her son. [01:39:38] Speaker D: I was like, when he knows we're doing a podcast, but he'll stick his little hands like, hey, I need you. [01:39:46] Speaker B: Hello, I'm here. Is he okay? Does he need. Is it him or was it something. [01:39:52] Speaker E: No. You to already. It could be a ghost. Oh, my God. We have consistently come to our home. She actually had to put a shield around the entire house to prevent dark entities from getting inside because we got bombarded a lot. Like every day something dark would come here looking for a fight. So as soon as she put the shield up, it kind of prevents her from getting in, but does allow regular spirits to come in and talk to us. And often, most time they want to cross over. [01:40:19] Speaker D: And it's kind of crazy because they actually will say, we've had multiple times where a spirit will come from a location we've been to and say, hey, we need you to come back. [01:40:31] Speaker B: That's what Jenny said about the Palmer house, that she'll feel it or like, have like a. She feels like she gets a message from across the state that she's needed back at the Palmer house. [01:40:43] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:40:45] Speaker B: That's amazing that they, you know, hey, come on, get back here. We need you. That is crazy. I love that. And, yeah, I couldn't. I've been trying to, like, open myself up more to not being scared of everything. And we went to this graveyard in Duluth, Minnesota, and it is actually a poor farm cemetery. There's like 4700 and some graves and you would even know walking. You have to, like, hike back in there. We have video footage and stuff, and eventually we're going to try to put together a video and we're going to go there a few different times. But when you hike back there, it's just like this big open field. You would not even know it was a cemetery because there's like, there's only two actual gravestones. The rest are just little, um, like circular cement plot, like things like, stamp on it with a number and there's just rows and rows. So it's like a row number and a plot number, and there's 4700 of them there. And it's just so it's supposed to be like the, one of the most haunted graveyards in Minnesota. You know, every place is supposedly the most haunted. But we went there, and we, the first time we went there, we just had like, a spirit talker app. We had our spirit box. What else did we have? Video cameras, audio recorder, just a little, you know, just a little voice recorder. I can't speak today. And we had, you know, got some stuff that day and like, some action with like, the speaker spirit talker app and whatnot. But I was so scared the first time we went there. And it was daylight, but I was just, like, uneasy. And then Jeremy talked me into going back again. Excuse me. We picked up a few more pieces of equipment. We picked up a rem pod, some cat balls, EMF detector. And again we went there. And I told him I'd go during the day, but once, I said, once dusk hit, we're out of there. Not staying there. But we sat there for probably four or 5 hours. Didn't really have, well, the first thing that happened, we bought brand new cameras that had night vision. And I was trying to do some video, and I could not get the mic to work. It's got an external mic. And I looked at, I was looking at it, trying to figure it out. Could not figure it out. I'm like, we just had this working. Called over to Jeremy, I said, the mic won't work. And then all of a sudden in the woods, I hear mike in like a male voice replying back to me. And I'm like, uh, like, did you hear that? He's like, hear what? I'm like, somebody just said Mike. He's like, I didn't hear it. He goes, he goes, it's, you know, somebody's probably over the, you know, over here, over there or whatever. I mean, you're close enough that you can hear traffic off in the distance. And there is like, the one side of the woods, there was a path that goes up to, like, a government building, but it's probably about a three quarter of a mile hike up to that building. And we did see, like, tents in the woods. Like there was squatters. But I heard this on the other side of the woods, on the other side of the cemetery, but they're in the middle of the cemetery. There's like, this brick lifted area. It's got like, the monumental plaque. And so then it's got like, the landscaping bricks. And so we were sitting on those and I had the rem pod out in the grass with the cat balls around it, and I had flat, you know, flashlights set up, just all these different things that I've seen, you know? And the REm pod did not go off the entire time we were there. And then all of a sudden, it started going off, and I would ask it questions, yes or no. Yes. You know, touch the. Touch the antenna or whatever. And it was, like, responding, like, intelligently with me. And Jeremy's like, no, no, no. He's. He is one of those. He's never had a true paranormal experience that, so he is, like, the major skeptic. It's the grass is blowing the grass, you know? So he wants to experience something. He wants to have something happen because he believes that there's something else out there. It's just he has never had an experience himself. And so that's. I think that's why he really wants to get into going to some of these places, because he wants to truly experience something. And. But he's like, no, it's the grass. It's this, it's that. So he's, like, moving it around and, and it. What it was, like, still was responding to me no matter what he did. And it's like, I'm videotaping all of this. But. But the funny thing was, is at one point, I was, I think I yawned, and the spirit box said, tired. And I'm like, yep, I am tired. And then, like, five or ten minutes later, Jeremy, like, stood up and was, like, stretching his back, and he's like, ugh, my butt sore from sitting on this, you know, retaining wall or whatever. And then the spirit box says, hurting. You know, it was, you know, intelligently communicating back with us. And he's like, oh, it's just randomized. And, like, we have it on airplane mode, so it's not like pulling from a server, you know, whatever. But I don't know. There's certain things that. And I was. The second time we went, I felt more at ease. I'm like, I'm here for them to talk. Listen if they want to talk. I didn't view it as trying to be scared, scary, but still, when it started to get dark, I'm like, all right, time to go. I mean, if we didn't have to, like, hike back there, I might have been more apt, like, if we were closer to our car, but having those tents in the woods and stuff, too, I wasn't sure what was going to happen after dark if there was people, like, woods so I'm like, yeah, let's get out of here. And then we went to it. There's a ship that's on Lake Superior that's it's docked permanently and it's supposed to be haunted, too. So we went and sat outside the ship and had the spirit box and stuff going. Didn't get anything from there. But I'm like, we'll just go over here. So I'm slowly building up to it. I want to be able to, you know, be a line of communication if somebody from the other side does want to communicate. But I've got to build up my trust of being in the dark. And, I mean, the other thing, too is, like, with graveyards, it's like, really, who would want to haunt their grave? Wouldn't they rather haunt a place that they were or a place that they enjoyed and not really haunt? You'd rather be at a place that you lived or enjoyed or something in your life. Why would you want to be at your gravesite? [01:47:47] Speaker D: I think some of those people that are stuck at the grave sites tend to be almost like they can't accept death, and so they stay close to their bodies to. And then two, sometimes, depending on the person, family members tend to, you know, go to. Because I've gotten before at a cemetery where they said they can't leave because they get to see their family. And I've had to explain, if you're on the other side, you can visit them more easily, you know, the being stuck here and have to deal with anything dark that comes through or not, you know, not being able to do this or not doing that. If you're on the other side, you know, you can come through in dreams and this and that, and that's just a better, better way of doing it instead of waiting for them to, you know, come. [01:48:36] Speaker B: I never thought about it in that aspect of waiting for the family or family being there and getting to see them, that that is very true. I just thought how boring. How boring. [01:48:47] Speaker D: Yeah. Convey to them. Sometimes it's like, hey, you know, there's better things on the other side, you know? And, you know, a lot of people that we've talked to, like, communication wise, you know, allocations, sometimes religion itself scares them into crossing over because they're, they're, you know, like when you're over here, certain religions have expectations, and if they felt they didn't meet those expectations, they have a fear of going to the other side, of judge, of the actual judgment. So. Yeah, but, yeah, that's what we've gotten that, like, cemeteries and stuff is that. And some people, like, they don't spare us. They don't want to just accept, like, the fact that they died. They, you know, they miss the life that they had, especially if it was a good life, you know, and they passed suddenly and stuff like that. They'll stay at the grave site because of that. [01:49:47] Speaker B: Yeah. The one graveyard that we went to, that was the first one that I got. Jeremy was able to get me to go to isn't far from our house, and the bugs were really bad that night. So I was like, I'm going back into the truck. And then we went, and he came into the truck shortly after, and we just had the spirit talker app on his laptop, or not his laptop, his iPad. And we were just sitting there talking amongst ourselves and just had the app going. And we were talking. I was giving him crap because every. Every day I came home, Harry Potter, one of the Harry Potter shows or movies, was playing on the tv, and I was giving him crap about being obsessed with Harry Potter. He's like, it's not me. It's the dogs. Our dogs are obsessed with Harry Potter. They keep turning it on. And all of a sudden, the spirit talker said, wand. [01:50:43] Speaker D: Oh, wow. [01:50:44] Speaker B: And I just started laughing, and I'm like, why was I not videotaping when this happened? You know, it's always that you're not videoing when the stuff happens. And shortly thereafter, I was. He had said something about it looked like he could see somebody down by the road or whatever, and I was like, we need to go. It's time to go. I was getting uneasy or whatever, and it said. I think it said, leave. And I'm like, yep, see, it's telling me I'm right. We need to leave. And then it said, join you. And I'm like, hell to the no, you are not allowed to follow us home. You are not whole spiel. And I'm like, okay, we need to go now. But I was, like, so high, you know, intense, like, fear. But now I've gotten to the point where I'm getting more, you know, where I don't have that fear as much. I mean, it's still there. It's always going to be there. And I'm sure you've got to have some. Some fear to kind of protect yourself, too. But. But, yeah, it was. It's kind of fun to, you know, when you do get those intelligent responses and it's like somebody is trying to communicate and. And then you'll get some of the responses that make no correlation. I mean, and it's all like, even when you're using, like, the radio, I can't think of what the piece of equipment is called, where you're going through the radio stations and stuff. Yes, yes. So the only time that I've ever trusted that is when we've had it where it goes in reverse. [01:52:26] Speaker D: Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:52:27] Speaker B: Because then you're not picking. It's not like you're picking up, like, bits and pieces of, like, a radio station plane or whatever. If you set it to go in reverse, so it's scanning backwards, basically. I don't know how to explain it, but then you're truly picking up something, because you're not actually going to be picking up something coming from a radio station that happens to coincide, you know, I don't know. There's so some of the stuff, I'm like, oh, that's really cool. And, like, the REM pod and stuff, I think that's really amazing. And the cat balls, unless you touch them, they're not going off, you know, unless you have. Maybe the batteries are getting low, but if you're always going in with fresh batteries, what is setting. What is truly setting it off? I have yet to find, like, an oculus. I have not been able to find an oculus anywhere, which is the true, like, spirit boxes or whatever. I can't find one of those. And if the ones I have found are super expensive. [01:53:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:53:30] Speaker B: So using, like, some of the apps and stuff, you know, you have to use them with a little bit of air of question. But, like, the estus methods, that blows my mind. I love the Estes watching people do, like, the estus sessions and stuff, where they have no idea, and they're just saying what they're hearing and the other person's asking questions. And have you guys done those? [01:53:55] Speaker E: Yes. We had a member on our last team who I call the voice of the dead, because he was so proficient with the estimates method. I was, like, having a direct conversation with them, with the entities or whatever was there. They asked questions, they talked back, blah, blah, blah. Megan, I find it a lot of psychic mediums, when they go do the essence method, it's more precise versus the average person who has no abilities. I'm not saying they can't do it. I said it sounds more proficient when someone with an ability to decide is doing it because they're picking up exactly what a spirit wants to say. Was a psychic medium. He's very talented, can no longer do the be in the paralytic investigation world, a lot of health problems, so get how to retire from the whole thing. But when Megan does her essence method, it's almost on par. So I'm like, I'm having a conversation with, with efforts there. And a lot of times she is getting direct messages or channeling or getting the excess method with the dark things are there because they're saying a lot of dark, evil things to me, or they're like, challenge me, or some reason or the other. And a lot of spirits say, I need help, or can you, you know, help me over? And then you hear someone say, shut up, or something like that. But we find it when she does the essence method, it's. It's a more precise in the conversation. [01:55:12] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure it would, because you're actually, you're not needing a piece of equipment to do a lot of the communication. You're hearing it firsthand. [01:55:23] Speaker D: Yeah. One experiment that I personally wanted to try is kind of like the Estes method, but not using the spirit box, like just being completely under, like, you know, like, you know, the blindfold, headphones, but just listening to white noise. Right. And then me telling, like, Isaac asking the questions and me saying what I am hearing, you know, through my abilities come through and see if it correlates the same. [01:55:52] Speaker B: That would be really cool to see how, you know, how it does correlate and that. Yeah. If you guys ever do that, you'll have to let me know. I want to. I wanna see the footage. [01:56:06] Speaker E: Technically, we already did once. She live, remote viewed channel into the alaskan triangle. When I had a conversation with something that was there, but we recorded it on the podcast, and no one can visually see it. So I was telling her, this is kind of hard for anyone to believe, because they don't know if you're doing this for real or we're just making it up as we're going, but we did it anyway to see how it was. And a lot of people found it extremely terrifying for the fact of I was talking directly to something that Megan was channeling that wasn't herself and she wasn't even there. And how she describes me, what she saw, where she went, kind of coincided with what she was telling me, what was talking to me about. [01:56:47] Speaker B: Wow. [01:56:49] Speaker D: Well, we're doing an episode here shortly on remote viewing. And who knows? We might actually do that. I mean, I like doing it. It's cool. There's a lot of, like, cool. Um, like, I just lost my train of thought. There's a lot of cool, um, results. There you go. [01:57:07] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Well, and remote viewing, I'd never heard of that until probably, I think it was listening to Kevin's podcast and some of the people that he had on there. I think the first person I heard talk about, like, the remote viewing was, um, what is her name? They. They do more of the cryptid stuff. I can't think of what her name is, but she was talking about how they would, like, remote view into areas that they would, you know, suspect that Bigfoot was at or whatever. And I was like, remote viewing. And then I started hearing more other paranormal. More paranormal versus, like, the cryptids, like, talking about remote viewing into locations to basically see what's there, see what's there, communicate. And then I heard your episode of Kevin's about getting those evil entities out and stuff, and I'm like, wow, there's a whole other part of this paranormal world that I had no idea even existed. Not even paranormal, just the psych, the whole psychic abilities and stuff like that. I could talk to you guys forever, but I think we are approaching that. I didn't even realize until I just looked down. We are approaching that two hour mark now, so I'm. So we will definitely have to have you guys on again, because I could ask you so many other questions and stories and whatnot. It has been such a pleasure to hear and, you know, listen to all the things that you guys have done and encountered and how you've, you know, made things better. And if you do end up doing any, like, you know, asylums or the remote or the estes, like you were talking, the alternate estes, I want to know. I want to hear. I want to see how it goes. And then when we are at the roff house, we should do, like, a Instagram live or see if you guys want to do, like, either a remote viewing or if you want to, you know, if we feel like there's anything that should not be there that needs to be cleaned out of that home, you know, you can go in and grab it and throw it in that damn ring. Protect us for the weekend. But anyway, well, why don't you guys let us know where we can find you again? [01:59:43] Speaker E: Yes, we're on all socials at Hidden Shadows podcast on Instagram, hidden in the Shaw six on X, in the Shadowspod, car two on TikTok, or links to all social media where you can find us at Hidden Shadows podcast.com. We also have a paranormal team page on Instagram as well. Hidden the shadows paranormal. You follow that as well. And we always tell anyone who's listening if you're dealing with stuff in your homes, whether it's something small or very dangerous, big or small, it does not matter. We give us a call or can take care of it. Like I said, we don't charge anybody for our services. We do it very quick, very efficiently. We let you know why it was there, why I was bothering you. Give you pointers on how to protect yourself from further attachments or any kind of attacks, but easily just messages through Instagram, the website, or any of the Instagram pages. That's the best way to get in. Contact us, contact with us. Then we can message you back, set up a time for us to clear your house out. Or if you want your mind force clear, you want to know your spirit guy and stuff like that, I can help out with that. That's more the shamanistic part of my ability. But no, this, we can reach out to help us with stuff. We can help you out with anything. [02:00:54] Speaker B: Awesome. And we'll, I'll make sure to include some that information in the show notes and stuff like that so people can easily find you and. But thank you guys so much for coming on and sharing your stories and, you know, offering your services to anybody out there that could be living with something like that every day. It's wonderful that you guys do that and, you know, help bring light to people's worlds again after having darkness and stuff overcoming there. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that have things that just don't even realize, you know, why they're there. You know, it could be affecting even their own mental health. I've heard that, too, that, you know, those evil entities will cause so many problems that it does affect your own mental health. And you could have a whole new, a whole new world opened up to you by having that stuff cleared out. [02:01:52] Speaker D: Yeah. [02:01:53] Speaker B: So, well, again, thank you guys, and we'll talk to you soon. [02:01:57] Speaker E: Thank you for having us on. [02:01:59] Speaker B: You're welcome. [02:02:00] Speaker A: Well, that's a wrap, folks, on another thrilling episode of Total Conundrum. Thank you, Megan and Isaac, for collaborating with us. [02:02:07] Speaker B: Thanks for joining us, Conundrum crew. 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