[00:00:31] Speaker A: If you dig the twisted, admired, the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree, join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum.
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[00:01:10] Speaker B: Hey there, cryptid chasers. Welcome back to another thrilling episode of Total Conundrum. I'm Tracy, and this is my partner in crime, Jeremy.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: That's right, folks. Today we've got a real treat for you. We're joined by none other than Nash Hoover, the cryptid hunter extraordinaire from chasing legends.
[00:01:29] Speaker B: Now, before we dive into the mysterious world of cryptids, we've got some important business to attend to, right, Jeremy?
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[00:01:54] Speaker B: You know, chasing cryptids is a lot like chasing those elusive YouTube algorithm boosts. It's all about the thrill of the hunt.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: It's all about the base. About the base.
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[00:02:28] Speaker B: Whoa, a podcast monster Mash? Sounds like a cryptid party I want to attend.
[00:02:36] Speaker A: Yeah, count me in. But first, let's uncover some cryptid secrets and maybe even share a few laughs along the way.
[00:02:44] Speaker B: So, cryptid chasers, grab your binoculars, adjust your tinfoil hats, and get ready for a wild ride. Nash Hoover is in the house.
[00:02:54] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:02:55] Speaker B: And chasing legends is about to turn up the mystery meter.
[00:03:00] Speaker A: Turn up the heat.
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Hey, Jeremy, how are you?
[00:03:37] Speaker A: Good, Tracy, how are you?
[00:03:39] Speaker B: I'm good. And as you can see, we have a guest today.
We have Nash from chasing legends. Hey, Nash, how are you?
[00:03:48] Speaker C: Good. How are you guys?
[00:03:50] Speaker B: Good.
Do you want to tell us a little bit about chasing legends and what you do and then shout out where we can find you?
[00:04:01] Speaker C: Sure. So chasing Legends is my web series. It follows myself and my small team of filmmakers and fellow researchers, and we travel around the country right now. Eventually, we'll be going global with it, but travel around the country and investigate various cryptid legends. And each episode is a different topic, and we dive really deep into it and kind of explore every possible angle of it. And then we put ourselves in the shoes of the people that have seen it and try to kind of see if we could find our own evidence.
We've had some decent success with it, haven't found anything super definitive, but we've definitely had some pretty cool experiences doing it. And it's been a ton of fun.
And, yeah, we just throw it on YouTube for free and just enjoy doing it.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Very cool.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: So you haven't found Bigfoot yet?
[00:05:02] Speaker B: Come on.
[00:05:02] Speaker C: Believe it or not, we have not.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: Cover.
We'll cover a few little housekeeping items.
So, as you guys can see, hopefully see we're trying video again.
We've been having some technical difficulties with cameras and syncing and all of that stuff, so we finally got Podcastle to work, so we're trying that. So hopefully we'll have video on YouTube this week. Hopefully. Knock on wood. And Nash, you're on Instagram, and you're on YouTube.
And are you on any other socials?
[00:05:48] Speaker C: Yeah, we have a Facebook page as well.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: Okay, very cool. So everyone go check out, especially the YouTube, because you can see some pretty cool videos out there. Jeremy and I have been watching them, and they're a lot of, uh. I think some of the team has changed a little bit, hasn't it? Yeah, we have or will be changing a little.
[00:06:13] Speaker C: There's only one. Well, I should say, in the stuff we're about to do, there will be two original cast members that have been in it since the very beginning.
The stuff that we have out now, it kind of changes, but there's usually some consistency between my cousin Michaela and my friend JC, and he's the one that actually is coming back to it. He was not in the most recent four episodes that we put out, but Michaela was.
But the team kind of changes, but we've had a pretty consistent, I say consistent, but the team that we assembled kind of in the midst of our three year hiatus, is the same team that we're moving forward with, and most of them have been with it for at least the last few years.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: Well, it seems like you guys have a lot of fun working together.
There was one video in particular.
Hey. One of the team members was shooting somebody off in a distance. Then we have a rare sighting, you know, playing a little fun with it, too. So that.
[00:07:32] Speaker C: I've really lucked out with some of the people we've gotten to work mean. Unfortunately, Alex Petticov and Eli Watson are no longer with the series. They work with small town monsters, so they can't legally do more episodes with us.
But, yeah, the crew that we have, I hand select everybody. They're not just random people that I hire. They're all people that I know or meet through people that I either have worked with or are currently working with. So, yeah, we're all, like, super tight. We're true friends, and that really shines through. That was something. When I created the show, I wanted to make sure was there.
I didn't want it to just seem like a ragtag, like, hired bunch of people that have no chemistry whatsoever. I wanted there to be that true camaraderie between everybody because it makes the stuff more natural and the funny bits more natural and the tense bits more natural, and we really work well together.
[00:08:34] Speaker B: That is very true. You've got to have that chemistry, and I can definitely just. The stuff that we watched, you can see that you guys definitely all have that close connection, and in doing what you're doing, it's not always a safe thing either.
No.
So you've got to be out there watching each other's back.
You've got to trust in who you're working with.
[00:09:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think I would ever go to Louisiana and walk around in a swamp at night.
[00:09:11] Speaker C: It was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was a ton of fun. I wish that we could have gone into a more wild area for a night investigation, but in the time frame we had to shoot that and just our lack of good insurance for a show, we just couldn't make it happen.
But, yeah, that was probably the most tense night investigation we've ever done up to now.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure I've seen a little fear on your face.
[00:09:41] Speaker C: It was insane. Yeah, because it had just rained.
And for context, we're talking about the Ruger episode.
It rained the day before, and I'm talking, like, poured.
I think we had a whole day locked out to shoot.
I think we filmed the daytime swamp portion, and then we were supposed to go do the boat ride with Billy Gaston. And then it just downpoured. So we pretty much had, I think we shot up to like maybe 11:00 a.m. Noon and then had to stop the whole rest of the day because it was just pouring rain.
And luckily we had a day with a little bit more availability the following day. So we were able to kind of move the boat tour to our investigation day.
So it had just rained the day before, so we had all these spiders the size of my hand making webs all at head height. So we're trying to dodge those in the dark.
And then it's like this three foot wide wooden walkway that just goes through the swamps with no railing on the sides. And it was just super slick.
And then numerous times I would look down and I could see gators swimming underneath the wood plank.
I would kind of look down. Most of the time I didn't even mention it because I knew most of my guys were already super on edge. So I would just kind of see them and I just would kind of look back, make sure they didn't see it, and then keep walking.
Then we got to the one point where we just shined our lights out and we could just see like three or four of them just sitting there looking at us. And we're like, this is so dumb.
We don't get paid anything for this. And we're just out in the.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I could probably do like those wooden planks, but then you guys were walking on like a two x twelve or something, crossing something at some point.
[00:11:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it was hairy.
And we've had some tense situations doing this show. But that was like the one episode where I was like, no one's going to come back and do this show ever again. I've lost my entire team to this and I haven't.
I was shocked. Everyone stuck with it. My cousin Michaela was probably the most on edge and I always laughed and I always show her the clips because when I was editing the episode, I had to cut her audio for most of it because you can just see here just like stress puffing on her vape and it's hilarious. I could just hear these deep suck ins and blow out. So she was just so on edge.
But yeah, I was shocked because we all met back up at the end of it and I forgot that I had left a trail camera pretty deep back in. So I was like, I'm going to go back and get this care. You guys can all stay here. I'll go in alone. I don't care. So I started walking back, and then I turned around because I could hear footsteps running up behind me. And it was my director of photography, Sammy, who was the last person I expected to go in alone with me back into this environment. Especially after the alligator incident that we, you know, that was one where I really had to kind of ask everybody, is everyone fine?
We could have died.
It was that close.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: But is everybody okay?
[00:13:18] Speaker C: Yeah, but, yeah, I was shocked that. I'm shocked and humbled that everyone stuck with it and is willing to go back and allow me to put them in those situations again.
I remember when we had that alligator incident in the episode. It sucks that you can't really see much of it and you can't really hear much of it.
But as soon as they started splashing and just getting close, I stood in my ground, and everybody just left me.
You see everyone take off running in the camera, and the camera pans back, and I'm just, like, calmly walking back to everybody, like, what the hell, guys? Thanks.
But, yeah, luckily nothing happened there. And we all walked out of there with all of our limbs intact.
[00:14:14] Speaker B: That's crazy.
The only two experiences I've ever had with alligators was one. We went to Louisiana just for a day, and because our youngest, Maddie, had never been to the ocean, so we were in Tennessee visiting my in laws, and we went from Tennessee down to Orange Beach, Alabama, brought her to the gulf for the day. And then from there, we drove, got a hotel in Mississippi, I believe.
And then we decided we were going to do a day in nola or like, in New Orleans. And then we did a swamp tour in the morning, spent the evening in New Orleans, did a ghost, like, mystery tour type thing. So it was just a quick little stint, but we went out on the swamp. You know, we're taking the boats over the cypress trees.
That was really fun. I'd love to do that again. But then when we were in Florida, I don't remember where we went. In April, I think we were staying at this resort, and right outside of the back of our townhouse that we were staying in, they had a pond, and every morning we'd sit outside. I'm like, there's gators in that pond. I just know it. And Jeremy and Dylan kept telling me, no, the whole place is fenced. There's no gators. It's fine. And the next day, I wake up, and Jeremy's down at the pond, and I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, there's a gator in it, I'm like, I told you, and get away from the pond.
Yeah.
[00:15:50] Speaker C: My wife and I honeymooned in New Orleans last year, so that was the first time I've been back down there since we shot that episode in 2020. So it was kind of fun to kind of get back out into the swamps again and see these gators. And then, obviously, I was in Florida just this last week and went into the Mayaka swamp east of Sarasota, which is where the famous Mayaka skunk ape photo was taken. And I'd never seen so many alligators in one spot just on the banks.
This is, like, true wild swamp. You're just on a dirt path, and they're right there. The park range we ran into, we had our two year old just running around, and they're like, do not let him go next to the. Next to the water. I'm like, well, duh, he's perfect alligator food. But, yeah, it's weird because I never thought I would love that environment, but I do. There's so much biodiversity in those swamps, and it's crazy.
But, yeah, I've tempted fate a few times with gators since that ordeal in that episode, and I'm still okay.
[00:17:09] Speaker B: I was shocked. We went on an ecological tour, kind of like a swamp tour type thing that you would do in New Orleans but in Florida, and were able to see, like, manatees off in the distance and stuff. And the captain of the boat that we went out on, he was just sharing all these stories and stuff. And then I told him about the gators in the pond by our rental or whatever, and I was like, can they climb fences? He's like, oh, yeah. They scale chain link fences like it's nobody's business. I'm like, are you kidding me?
There's no place safe.
[00:17:49] Speaker C: Yeah, alligators are wild, and then with Florida, you've got a billion other things to worry about.
[00:17:57] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, definitely snakes.
[00:18:01] Speaker C: Yeah. And then the handful of Nile crocodiles that they found in the everglades since.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: The big difference between. I know you mentioned the skunk ape. What is the difference between the skunk ape and Bigfoot?
[00:18:18] Speaker C: So when it comes to Bigfoot, I know I'm not alone in this. There's regional variants. Obviously. Bigfoot's not a singular creature, as I feel like it's sometimes led to believe it is.
From a biological standpoint. If this is a real animal, there's got to be a population of them. They can't just be a singular.
[00:18:41] Speaker B: Right.
[00:18:43] Speaker C: Especially for how far back sightings go. And this is a global phenomena.
So skunk ape is essentially, it's just Florida's version of Bigfoot. It's just their species, if, you know, it's adapted to living in the wet.
I mean, you've got the honey island swamp munch in Louisiana, too. And there's other swamp apes that are kind of described in that kind of whole southern.
It's definitely the skunk ape definitely isn't alone in that sense of being a swamp dwelling bigfoot.
But the skunk ape definitely does have a lot more popularity in terms of. It's definitely like, if you kind of look at a chart of different Bigfoot variants, it's definitely going to be towards the top.
But, yeah, I can't even name all the different regional variants of Yeti Yarin, it's the alma.
[00:20:03] Speaker B: What is your thoughts on the. There's people that talk about Bigfoot being interdimensional and how they escape so fast as they're going through portals. And so you got the paranormal part of it, not aspect, and then you've got the cryptids and the paranormal sometimes cross.
[00:20:29] Speaker C: There's definitely the cases where they. Yeah, there's definitely cases where they do bridge.
I definitely take more, like, biologist approach to cryptozoology. So I look at them as, like, flesh and blood. So if it's too outlandish, I'm just like, I'm not even going to touch know. We have looked at a few with the show, and obviously, like, the Pakwaji is one where that's definitely more on the folklore side. Rugaroo is another one that's more than likely just cajun folklore, just because there's not really anything in Louisiana that could be mistaken as a large canine.
But, yeah, I'm definitely what is called in the community as an aper, so I definitely see them as an animal, not something from another dimension that can just kind of vanish. As you were saying, we run into that a lot, for whatever reason, that has become a lot more of a popular stance.
But to each their own, we're talking about a subject that has no definitive one way or another. So, I mean, everyone's entitled to their own, but we just run into a lot of it where people are definitively one side or the other. And if you even try to argue either side, you just are getting attacked.
And it's unfortunate because it's tough to move forward as a community when you've got so many gatekeepers that are just like, no, this is how it is. This is what these things.
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Just did. It hasn't aired yet, but we did a episode on Flat Earth and then Jeremy made up his own flat earth.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: It's a good one.
[00:22:36] Speaker B: So kind of that aspect. I laughed so hard when he was researching that listening to the scientists go against the flat earthers because it sounded to me like two third graders arguing back and forth. No, it's not. Yes, it is. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Where's your proof? Well, where's your proof?
[00:23:00] Speaker C: Unfortunately, there's a good group of us that are like, we meet halfway with each other. There's a lot of good researchers that I've aligned myself with that we actually will come to each other for, like, oh, well, you've got more info on this subject. You've got more info on that subject, sort of thing. There is definitely that sharing of knowledge between a good group of us that have a lot of respect for each other because we have the same kind of mindset towards it, where we're not dipping our toe into the woo side of it and we are willing to approach the topics objectively and discuss rather than state.
And it's great.
But, yeah, I've left quite a few cryptid Facebook groups recently because it's just like over the nothing but blurry photos of bushes with the red circles. And look at this, was looking right at me, like, dude, there's nothing there.
If you have to zoom in and draw something, there's nothing there. You're just trying to.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: The human eye is trained to make faces, or the brain or the eye, whatever.
We try to find faces in everything that we see. And so, yeah, if you look hard enough, you'll probably generate a face out of it. But if you have to look that hard, how'd you see it in the first place?
[00:24:48] Speaker C: Well, that's just it. With some of these photos, it's like, oh, I was 10ft from this thing. It's like, no, you weren't.
You wouldn't be standing in front of me right now telling me this if you were 10ft from this thing.
[00:24:58] Speaker B: Right?
[00:24:59] Speaker C: Like, new way.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: Well, I suppose we couldn't start getting into some of our questions.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: How do you guys choose which cryptid you're going to go after for your.
[00:25:16] Speaker C: I started researching this subject when I was like seven or eight years old, and then it was always just kind of a passion of mine growing up. And then once I was out of school and had some adult money, I was like, I'm going to try and see if I can actually do some boots in the ground investigations with this. And that kind of led to the. In 2013, led to the creation of chasing legends.
So when we were kind of in that early phase, I compiled a list that is continually growing. I think we're at, like, 75 different cases.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:26:01] Speaker C: And that's not including ones that we've done episodes on.
And those are all extensively researched and are ones that I think are worth looking into.
Definitely. With cryptozology, there's, like, hundreds more that I think are just not worth my time.
Not that they're bad legends by any means, but we kind of have a set of rules that it has to have the potential to exist in the real world and not just folklore.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: Right.
[00:26:38] Speaker C: So, yeah, we definitely have, like, a laundry list of kind of factors that we go into, something that we consider worthy of us funding an entire production around and expedition around looking into.
[00:26:56] Speaker A: So it's kind of a group effort. Then you all kind of make the decision of what track next.
[00:27:03] Speaker C: It's mostly mine out of my whole team. I mean, everyone's into this to a degree, but I'm definitely the one that's got the most knowledge on the subject. So everyone has pretty much gotten to the point where, whatever, I definitely will throw it out there. I'll send out a list of three or four, like, hey, which one of these do you guys think we should go after? Kind of a thing. But most of the time, it's just, if I think it's worth our time, then it's worth our time, which is nice. Everyone kind of trusts my judgment, and I haven't led them. I mean, I've obviously led them into gator infested swamps, but I haven't. Wrong yet.
But, yeah, there's a good level of trust throughout the team, but, yeah, everyone definitely is more than happy to kind of, like, what do you want to do? And we just kind of look at the list and just go for it. Yeah. Like, well, this is close to this, so we could do two back to back sort of a thing.
However many thousands of dollars to fly to Central Africa, so probably shouldn't do that yet.
[00:28:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it'd be nice to have somebody else flip that bill.
[00:28:27] Speaker C: Yeah, I say that all the time.
If we had all the money in the world, we'd probably be on the road 300 days a year doing this.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it would be fun. Definitely.
Well, can you share one of your most fascinating or challenging cryptid investigations that you've conducted?
[00:28:52] Speaker C: We've talked about it already.
[00:28:54] Speaker B: Okay, all.
[00:28:57] Speaker C: I definitely. Rugaroo, Louisiana, was probably the most.
The champ investigation was another one where a few of us looked at each other and were like, this is the dumbest thing we've ever done. Because we were in the middle of Lake Champlain, which, mind you, is 420 ish feet deep that they're aware of.
And we are out there in the middle of the night in kayaks looking for.
[00:29:23] Speaker B: I saw that that was crazy because.
[00:29:28] Speaker C: We had boats lined up, and then there was some issues, and we were there doing Covid. So none of the marinas were open, so we couldn't rent anything. Luckily, we found it was a couple that we actually interviewed in the episode.
And then it was the couple that had the most recent sighting that we interviewed. And they were like, we're chatting with them, and they were really cool.
And they were like, yeah, we know somebody that has two pontoons that they could take you out. Well, then there was issues. One of the motors didn't work, and then one of the trailers, the wheel bearings was all messed up, so they couldn't move it. So we're like, all right, screw it. And luckily, the guy was nice enough. He's like, you guys can come over to my house. I've got three kayaks. I'm like, it's better than, like, at this point, sure. Least are out in the water. So it was me, Alex Petikov, and then my sound guy, Jack, were the first three that went out. So my sound guy, Jack is in this kayak with our full, like, we call the pregnancy pack of our sound equipment that he is wired up to, wirelessly wired to Alex and I. And then he's also trying to film himself and us. And then Alex and I both also have cameras. And we're filming each other and ourselves, trying not to lean too far either way because we would tip ourselves. And Alex, I'm pretty sure it was in an open kayak. So he had nothing around him. Like, he was just basically sitting on top know. It was essentially, like, not a wakeboard, a paddleboard, but it had kind of a seat in an open. It was a kayak, but it was totally open, so he couldn't move at he's. So he's trying to turn himself to film.
Was, I think, one point. Alex went back to shore, and it was just Jack and I, and we locked arms. So we were just together.
And it was probably one of the coolest moments we've ever experienced where we just kind of, like, laid back, turned our lights off, and it was just, like, so dark because we were so far away from anything that the stars were just so bright and we're just in the middle of this glass lake, and I keep looking at my gps, I'm like, well, we're slowly drifting into the middle of the lake, so at some point we're going to have to start paddling.
Was. Yeah, I vaguely remember Jack and I looking at each other like, this is the dumbest thing we've ever done. At any moment, one of us can fall in or drop a camera and we're done.
So that was probably one of the more challenging in terms of just actually doing the investigation.
But, yeah, Louisiana is probably like, as of right now, the craziest environment we've ever worked in.
[00:32:21] Speaker B: All right, do you have the next one?
[00:32:23] Speaker A: Jeremy, what's the most surprising discovery you've made during your investigations? Do you find any tracks curious?
[00:32:32] Speaker C: We have not found any. Well, so this is a.
We shot an episode in 2019 that never actually released because it was incredibly rushed and we didn't have time to film a lot of things to tie it together, so we just never put it out. And of course, it was an episode where we found a lot of good evidence in our.
And I'll kind of hint at this is a subject that we're going to actually film a proper episode on this year, but it's looking into dog band sightings in Wisconsin.
[00:33:17] Speaker B: Oh, like the briar road type stuff.
[00:33:20] Speaker C: I'm not even going to go there on this trip because we don't have time for me to get into Bray Road.
The rant is too long. But, yeah, so it's outside of Bray Road. There is a lot of area in Kettle Moraine, both units of the Ketle Moraine State forest, that have these dogma sightings. Whatever.
One of our upcoming episodes this year is going to be doing that properly.
And that'll be a cool episode because we have some pretty cool plans for that one. But anyway, so 2019, we went out and attempted to film out there, and we hadn't even started our investigation yet. We found a place to park and to hike into this wooded area, and cameras were rolling, but we weren't even really. Our plan was to hike as far in as we could before it got dark, set up a base camp, and that would kind of be our central investigation hub. And we were maybe 100 and 5200 yards from the start of our walk into the forest. And my cousin Michaela happened to look down and she's like, guys. And we all kind of turned and look, and there were huge canine footprints. So we're like, all right, well, that kind of goes along with what we're looking for. And there was a ton of them.
A ton of them. They were like the size of the palm of my hand, if not bigger. We ended up casting it. I have it. It's behind me in that light shelf thing you can see behind me. It's on that shelf. And this is a definitive canine print. So I had it looked at. It's from a gray wolf, which is kind of lends to my theory on dog man sightings in Wisconsin is that people are just misidentifying gray wolves because grey wolves were within the last, like, 2030 years reintroduced into Wisconsin. So if you've never seen a gray wolf and you've heard these stories, your brain is just going to either make it bigger or kind of blur some lines. And you've now seen a dog man.
So that was pretty interesting.
That was probably the first and only real physical evidence that we've ever obtained. And unfortunately, it was an episode that nobody ever saw.
But, yeah, that was cool because like I said, it was in line with what was being reported of large canine creatures. Not saying we found the tracks of Dog man, but we definitely found some very large canine tracks.
[00:36:22] Speaker B: Well, either would be scary when you're out in the middle of nowhere.
[00:36:28] Speaker C: And then we heard howling deeper into the.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Oh, really? Like wolf Halloween or just.
[00:36:37] Speaker C: It was either wolves or coyotes. But there was numerous animals that we heard and recorded because it was a pathway going into this woods and we were following a set of these tracks through, down this path. We're like, well, let's just obviously go where this is, right.
It was probably maybe 2030 minutes in from where we found the first tracks that we heard howling.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: Wow.
So what are some of the essential tools or equipment that you use when you're investigating cryptids in the field?
[00:37:26] Speaker C: Eyes and ears is what we kind of rely on the most.
I have a flir thermal imager that I have on me at all times. It's both as an investigation tool and as a safety tool.
And my sound guy always has a boom mic on. He's always listening not only to us, but he's listening to everything around us and alerts us to anything that he hears that's not us.
Yeah, mostly I tell my guys, be on alert, head on, a swivel, like, eyes, ears, look, listen. We periodically will stop and just kind of sit with all of our lights off in the dark and just kind of let things come back to life wherever we are. And we've gotten some decent.
[00:38:25] Speaker B: We'll be back after these messages in.
[00:38:28] Speaker A: A world where the ordinary meets the extraordinary. Prepare to journey beyond the veil of reality to uncover secrets that defy explanation.
Welcome to a dead letter podcast, where we delve into the mysterious and unexplained phenomena that have fascinated humans for centuries. In each episode, we will explore some of the most intriguing and spying, tinkling aspects of the paranormal world. But beware, for the line between reality and the supernatural is thinner than you think. Will you dare to listen?
[00:39:03] Speaker C: I guess things happen in those instances. In the case of when we were in Arizona investigating the Mochana monster, which is Arizona's bigfoot, there was definitely, when we stopped and no one was moving, and we could definitely hear twig snapping and something moving.
It sounded like there was more than one because we were hearing it on kind of all sides of us.
So that was kind of interesting. But, yeah, we don't take too much with us.
We rely a lot on the thermal, and then I have a lot of safety equipment that I carry with me. That's a satellite communicator and other things that I've acquired after the Louisiana incident, just for peace of mind.
But then we have a full evidence kit that I've assembled that's got casting powder and photoscale, like, crime scene photoscale, rulers and evidence bags and tweezers and all the fun stuff.
[00:40:12] Speaker B: Very cool.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: All right.
Have you ever had a particularly eerie or unexplained experience during investigation which you probably.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: Yeah, that's probably more. Yeah, probably more. The Louisiana one again.
[00:40:27] Speaker C: Louisiana. And then mogion monster. Mogion rim. Because we ended up splitting the two teams, because a lot of the folklore and the stories around mogul monster is that it seems to be attracted to camps, and that's where it seems to kind of attack campsites. So we had a team that just sat at camp all night, and they had stuff happening, and then there was the ground team that I led that was deeper in, and we had stuff happening, and it almost seemed like the sounds were, like, almost drawing us away from camp, because I'd periodically look at my gps and like, okay, we're going.
Because we'd hear the sounds, and it would be kind of in this direction, so we would have that direction stop, and then we'd hear it farther away. Again, it probably was not what the case was, but it definitely seemed like something was, like, drawing us apart, because the team at the camp heard what sounded like wood knocking and some pretty wild sounds where they were. So sas watch or not, there was definitely something else out there in the forest with us, which is crazy, because earlier in that day, not far from where we actually did our investigation, I saw probably the largest wild wolf that I'd ever seen in my life.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:41:58] Speaker C: Move through, actually, like, we were driving down this back rural mountain dirt road, and it literally came from the side of the road, leaped across. I don't even know where it came from. All I saw was it jumping, all four paws touched, pretty much dead center of the road. It leaped again and was across the road, and like, only two of us saw then, I shouldn't say, obviously, in Mogian rim area of Arizona, they have one of the largest wild elk herds in the country, which we ended up in the middle of. So that was cool. And then we could hear them before we were having a brunette investigation, which I think some of the sounds made into the episode where you could hear them bugling in the distance. That was insane to hear.
[00:42:51] Speaker B: Oh, I'm sure.
[00:42:52] Speaker C: Yeah. When you're in the dark and you're only lit by a campfire and you just hear these crazy bugling sounds from the distance.
So, yeah, who knows what we encountered that night. But, yeah, there was definitely something that we were audibly hearing both with our ears and with our sound equipment that was moving around out there with us.
[00:43:12] Speaker B: That's crazy. Well, the next question we've pretty much covered, and that was kind of like the regional differences between the cryptids. So we'll go ahead and skip over that one. Jeremy, do you want to what goes.
[00:43:26] Speaker A: Into making and shooting of chasing legends?
[00:43:31] Speaker C: Oh, boy.
[00:43:33] Speaker A: How many camera dudes?
[00:43:36] Speaker C: So we have two main camera guys. We have Sammy Vernet, which is my director of photography. And then we have Jack Koisitsu, who actually was our audio guy in the three of the four episodes that we put out recently, or I shouldn't say recently, but they're the most recent episodes. But he is now picking up our second camera position. And then JC Yang, who has been in the show since day one, who originally was our sound guy, is now coming back to do sound for us.
And then I have myself, obviously, and then my cousin Michaela is kind of just my right hand co researcher, investigator person, and she just kind of, like, helps out wherever.
So, yeah, there's five of us currently at one point. We had seven crew member in the four episodes that we put out recently, which was nice because we had two extra hands that could just kind of jump in and fill in camera wise if needed, so that we were able to get a lot of extra angles as of right now, operating as a five person team.
And, yeah, once we kind of settle on an episode subject, it's numerous Zoom meetings and in person meetings, which I actually, next Saturday, have our main in person meeting for the first episode that we're filming coming up in March. And we just sit down, take all of the information that we have, and essentially build the episode. We need to shoot these things for sure. If we can get these things, great, but they're not necessary. We're scheduling interviews for this time and this time, and that leaves this much time in between to travel there and shoot other things.
We break everything up by day, so we actually do professional tv production call sheets that everybody on the team gets. And that actually has, like our, hey, we're arriving at our Airbnb this time, on this day. We'll have a meeting this night, but no production is happening, so it's pretty lax. And then our main production day or days will have. We need to be out the door by eight, nine a. M. Here at this time.
Try to leave an hour or so window to eat in the middle of the day.
If we can't, we try to get something on the go and then we have, like, our wrap time and all that stuff. So, yeah, the production side of it is probably more of the headache than the research side of it.
I enjoy both.
It's just fun to kind of build these and then go out on location and then actually see it come together.
But when we first started this, we would just kind of pick a topic and then just go and shoot it and hope for the best.
And then usually it never worked out in our favor. So now we're trying to up our production value and up our content so we can't have episodes that we shoot and don't get released. So we make sure that we have everything laid out that we need to get to put it together. And then that also helps me in the edit because then I have this whole blueprint, essentially, of the episode where I can just find my clips and lay it all together and it just streamlines everything.
Yeah, there's cool. Quite a bit that goes into the production side of it, and it's all fun.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: So what do you do to kind of involve your audience in your cryptid?
[00:47:40] Speaker C: Um, one thing we used to do, and I'm going to get back into it now that we're gonna start filming again, is we used to do some Facebook live stuff on location. If we had some downtime, well, if we're just shooting b roll or whatever, I would jump on and just be, you know, we're out here filming. That's what we're doing kind of a thing.
And then I think we'll do is I'll throw out into the ether. Hey, what are some things that you would like us to see us go after? And we've always encouraged people to reach out and either with their own sightings or their own recommendations for us for possible episodes. And there's quite a few on the list that I have that have come from our fans.
[00:48:25] Speaker B: Very cool.
[00:48:26] Speaker C: I have not either heard about or have really considered. And then I'll have somebody be like, hey, you should look into this. I can point you in the right direction if you want to reach out to me. If you decide to do it, I can help you out sort of a thing. So it's good to kind of have that.
But, yeah, I love our fan base. I mean, this wouldn't be a thing if we didn't have a fan base.
[00:48:55] Speaker B: We're the same. We love our listeners.
[00:48:57] Speaker C: Yeah.
And I always make that as clear as I possibly can.
I love this subject. So I'm always open to people reaching out and talking different things. And if it helps me out with future episode content and this and that. Absolutely.
So, yeah, we try to involve as much as we can.
[00:49:23] Speaker B: Good.
[00:49:26] Speaker A: So I think I'm going to skip down a little bit.
[00:49:29] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Next I'm going to ask, is there a dream location or a dream cryptid that you want to cover soon?
[00:49:40] Speaker C: Too many.
[00:49:43] Speaker A: Your favorite one?
[00:49:46] Speaker C: Our dream is to do this, to take this entirely globally.
Not that there's not enough within the US that we could explore, but there's just not enough for us to look into. That I feel is interesting enough to justify doing a whole show on just us cryptids.
In me personally, from a research standpoint, I enjoy researching the international ones because there's just a lot more depth to them in terms of, especially from, like a cultural side of where these things come from.
And there's just a lot more interesting angles. You can take an investigation with some of these international ones.
Thylacine is definitely the top of my list. That's probably my favorite non cryptid cryptid just because it was a real animal that went extinct in the 1930s and is reported to still be seen up to today.
I've got a handful of, I should say back to thylacine, also known as the tasmanian tiger for it is. I not know either variation of the name.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: I looked that up when we were talking about that in chat. That thing is crazy looking.
[00:51:17] Speaker C: 80 degrees.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Sorry, the mouth was like. It reminded me of that beetlejuice movie where the ghost. Yeah. It just.
[00:51:36] Speaker C: Basically was like a marsupial wolf. So it was a marsupial. So it was in the same family as kangaroos. It had a pouch and it had live young that were birthed into the pouch and eventually would come out similar to a kangaroo. But they were a carnivore, almost a wolf, and they went extinct in mainland Australia after the introduction of the dingo, because it was basically just outcompeted food.
And then they were also up in New Guinea. Papua New guinea.
And it's also believed that they were outcompeted by the dingoes, but I don't think that's entirely possible.
But they survived in Tasmania because dingoes weren't introduced there. So they were able to thrive up to the early 19 hundreds, where, unfortunately, a bounty was put out on them because they were deemed a threat to sheep farmers, which now there's evidence that they weren't. And they were essentially eradicated on the island of Tasmania. The last one dying in the boomerang zoo in Hobart, Tasmania, in 1936, because it was locked out of its cage outside and it essentially froze to death.
[00:53:02] Speaker B: I read that, yeah.
[00:53:05] Speaker C: To kind of go back to the Papua New guinea thing, that's where I and some other violene researchers think that they could still be thriving, because Papua New guinea and New guinea, the western Papua, it's so highly unexplored that there's no definitive way of knowing for sure if they are totally gone. And there's so many stories from inland tribes that speak of the striped dogs that they encounter in the jungles and all this stuff.
So, yeah, that's definitely one stripes on.
[00:53:42] Speaker B: Their hind end, right?
[00:53:45] Speaker C: Yeah, that's where the tiger kind of name came from, is, because have these crazy stripes.
Yeah, I know.
There's a company called Colossal Biosciences. They're a de extinction company, they claim to be, and that's one of the creatures that they plan to essentially bring back to life through genetics is the thioscene, as well as the woolly mean.
I believe they're still roaming around. I've got quite a few contacts in Tasmania that think the same, and they would obviously know because they're.
It's definitely. Thylstein's definitely one of those romantic stories that I think a lot of people are obsessed with just because of how it went, was all by our hands, which is sad. It's unfortunate.
Yeah, I think that's probably on the top of my list. I've got a couple other ones that are like would be dream.
Mafangori is one of them, which is a south american, brazilian, peruvian kind of cryptid.
It got roped into the Bigfoot category, which I think is incorrect. The initial descriptions of it talk about it having backwards feet in a mouth on its abdomen, which I think is folklore. End of it takes place, kind of falls in.
I believe that. And this is, again, kind of coming from my biologist stance. I'm not a biologist, but I kind of take more of that stance.
I think they possibly could be a surviving population of what's called a mega theorem, which was the giant ground sloth that exists back in the pleistocene ice age.
Very large. It fits a lot of the descriptions of what people claim for the mopagori.
And that's kind of where my head goes to. If it could be a flesh and blood animal, that's the only thing that did exist that could fit the description. So when you look at it, and this is, again, kind of why I love the international stuff, is do you look at it as the sighting? Do you look at the sightings as something that people are still currently seeing? Or are a lot of these stories that come out of the indigenous tribes of the Amazon, are they just stories that have been passed down thousands of years by their ancestors that did actually encounter these?
That's just, again, that's one of those awesome things about international cryptozoology, is there's just so many layers.
And then probably my third pick would be the orang pendec, which is another Bigfoot creature out of Sumatra. And they're described as being only, like, three to 4ft tall.
And the jungles of Sumancha are incredibly dense, incredibly unexplored. So the possibility of finding a three to four foot tall primate creature, that lends a lot of credibility to the possibility of their existence. And there's a lot of prominent scientists and conservationists that have worked in that region that have pretty much stated that it would be weirder for them not to exist, given the sightings and the people that report them. And there was a now discovered past species of hominid known as the homoflarnsis that existed. I don't know the specific dates, but that was essentially like a hobit person, is how they described it, where all the skeletal remains that they have found of that were like three to 4ft tall, and it was within that kind of region where, if it's not saying that it is a surviving species of these things, but that's kind of what a lot of people have kind of connected to orangundex stuff.
I think it's probably just safe.
If it is something current, it's probably just something that we've not discovered before, because that's just what's more likely to me, given the area that they're seen in.
Seemingly all the ones that I really want to go after are in areas that are very tough to look for. Things.
[00:58:37] Speaker B: I'm going to change up the next question a little bit because we've kind of already covered it. So I am going to ask you what your thoughts are on the Fresno nightcrawler. Do you think it's a cryptid? Think it's a hoax?
[00:58:57] Speaker A: Is it right up there with the boogeyman?
[00:58:59] Speaker B: Have you ever seen the videos on that yet? Jay?
[00:59:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I remember when that story first broke and that video first came out. I remember the fact or faked episode about it, and they couldn't debunk it.
[00:59:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:59:17] Speaker C: I don't know. It's not one that I've ever really put much time into.
I know people that have, but it's not really a subject that I've really ever been interested into to ask them, like, hey, what do you think of this?
It seems like it, for whatever reason, gets roped into cryptozoology. But I don't think that it's, if anything, it should fall into ufology or.
[00:59:45] Speaker B: Paranormal for me or for anybody who doesn't know what the Fresno night crawler is, just think of a giant tooth walking with no arms.
[00:59:57] Speaker C: The video is definitely cool.
And from what I understand, like I said, I have not put any sort of research into this, but from what I understand, it's always only been that video and it has blown up.
I could be wrong. I haven't put much. Don't come after me, please.
[01:00:20] Speaker B: There might be.
[01:00:22] Speaker C: I think it was just that one video, and for some random reason, it's.
[01:00:25] Speaker B: Become, I think the one other one I was thinking of was the people that were trying to debunk it.
[01:00:33] Speaker C: There's been a lot of that factor faked. That was the whole episode.
[01:00:38] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:00:39] Speaker C: Went at that and tried various things.
[01:00:44] Speaker B: It's creepy, basically. It looks like, or I guess you could describe it as pants. Like a pair of pants walking without any upper body or something. But I don't know why.
[01:00:56] Speaker C: The experiments that they did, too, where they had pants on some sort of pulley system, like draping, and then they had a toddler walk across the line, which that obviously wasn't what we're seeing here.
[01:01:10] Speaker B: Right?
[01:01:11] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:01:15] Speaker B: Well, this leads into Jeremy's next question.
[01:01:19] Speaker A: Oh, it does.
[01:01:19] Speaker B: It really does. Yeah.
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[01:01:27] Speaker A: How do you approach separating fact from fiction and crypt and lore?
[01:01:34] Speaker C: It is a fun time.
[01:01:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:01:40] Speaker C: It really all comes down to the research.
Like I said, the list of cryptids that we consider for episodes are thoroughly looked into.
I mean, there's a few on the list that I have that after further research, it's pretty much come down to, okay, the sightings are there, but there's nobody to talk to, so we can't do that.
Or we'll look into something and there's either just no information for whatever reason or whatever reason, we find points in a completely different direction than we were even thinking it was going to go.
But, yeah, we interviewed quite a few people in the Mokiya monster episode. We interviewed some people that were on more of the woo side, and I didn't know that until we showed up to interview them in the middle of the woods with no cell phone reception.
So that was kind of interesting. And we just kind of went with it. And luckily they didn't really talk about it in the interview section, which we all thought was strange because that was like their whole thing. And then we sat down to do the interview with them and they didn't discuss it at all. That's like, what?
So I don't know if either they picked up that we didn't believe in that stuff and we didn't want to talk about that, or they just. I don't know because the guys we interviewed had YouTube channels of their own and they talked about it freely on their YouTube channel. So I don't know why they didn't. I don't know. But, yeah, that was kind of one where we're just, hmm, interesting here. But, yeah, we definitely tried to sift through as much as we can. Like, okay, we not going to talk about that. Going back to our upcoming dogma episode, I'm not going to talk about Bray Road because it's been talked about a billion times and the whole episode will just be me ranting about it for 40 minutes.
There's things that we have to kind of determine, is this worth us speaking about? Is this stuff worth looking at?
Is this person worth talking to? They don't have the best credibility in the field. They are known to kind of go off on some pretty crazy topics. And this, that and the other thing.
It's not easy by any means to kind of separate fact from fiction, especially in a field of this where there is no certainty.
So yeah, we just do the best we can.
[01:04:40] Speaker B: All right, let's see.
The next one is. What advice do you have for someone interested in starting their journey into cryptid investigating?
[01:04:56] Speaker C: Go into it with the right mindset.
Don't go into it with any sort of preconceived, I know this is what this is supposed to be sort of thing. Like, you do not.
You need to approach this with the openest of minds and be willing to discuss these topics and change your mind as new evidence is brought to you. And don't attack those that have different kind of points of views on certain things because it just doesn't go anywhere.
But, yeah, I would align yourself with people you can trust.
There's a lot of great people in this field. There's a lot of people.
There's people that I grew up following and reading their work that I'm now friends with.
A lot of the old guys are very happy and willing to give you their time, and there's a few gatekeepers out here, but more often than not, you're going to find people that are very happy to point you in the right direction and kind of guide you properly and aren't going to lead you astray by any means. And, yeah, just start doing it.
It's a good time for this topic. It's also a very terrible time for this topic because we've run into a lot of now with AI, we're running into a lot of AI images being passed off as evidence, and for whatever reason, people believe it, even though it's very obviously that it's not a real picture.
[01:06:53] Speaker B: I have example of that.
Yeah, Jeremy actually wrote a story. He made up a cryptid. And what was it? Bladrak?
[01:07:04] Speaker A: Yep.
[01:07:04] Speaker B: Okay, so it was for Halloween. He wrote this whole story, made up this fake.
Um, the characters were actually JT and, you know, us, and in the end, I end up getting turned by the cryptid and then I kill him. So anyway, spoiler alert, if you haven't listened to that episode, but I was using the AI generator because I'm like, well, how am I going to find an image for this episode? Because Bladrak doesn't exist. So I used an AI generator and I sent Jeremy this picture. I'm like, well, this one looks pretty cool. He's like, the thing has like, five ex. There was always something particularly off with it. So I'm like, well, how do I fix that? Because when I try to fix it, it gives me different images, and I want that image.
So that was my first time ever playing with an AI generator, and it's kind of crazy.
[01:08:05] Speaker A: Very true.
[01:08:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I know some people within the field that have put out, when they first released it, they released it as a joke. Like, this is just for fun.
And every so often, you'll see them get shared by people as evidence of things real.
It's like a running joke between a bunch of us. Anytime we see it, we send it to the person. We're like, it's back.
[01:08:36] Speaker B: Well, look at going into the creepy pasta world. Look at Slender man. He was an image that someone created for a contest and became this huge creepy pasta lore.
So much so that two little girls tried to murder their best friend.
[01:09:01] Speaker C: We run into that a lot in the cryptid field where people put a lot of stake into these things that are very obviously creepy pastas, but they make them into a cryptid whatever, and it's tough.
But, yeah, I think, where was I once I was somewhere and it got brought up that I did cryptozoology, and this guy was like, oh, cool. And then he started going off on, what do you think of Slenderman and Sirenhead and all these things?
[01:09:34] Speaker B: I'm like, that's not crypto.
[01:09:38] Speaker C: Not at all.
But yeah, the social media space is very all over the place when it comes to the cryptid stuff. But find a good group of people. There's a lot of great pages out there. Crash course of geology is a great page run by one of my close friends.
Association of God. Nate's going to kill me. Hold on, I got to look this up.
There's a lot of the association of cryptozoological Fieldwork and Analysis is another great page ran by Nate Brislin. He is a great researcher, very smart guy. Cross crypto is ran by St. Laurent.
Close friend of mine. Actually helps me a lot in the research side of chasing legends.
There's cryptology facts is another one. That's really good.
Yeah, there's a ton of great pages out there. Instagram's got a bunch of them, and a lot of them are very more than happy to allow you to share your own stuff. In mind you.
You're going to get feedback. And sometimes there's a lot of arguments that I see sometimes these pages, because it's not always feedback that these people want to receive.
[01:11:02] Speaker B: Right.
[01:11:03] Speaker C: So that kind of goes back into the open mindedness and be willing to have a conversation.
It's cryptozology, not politics, folks.
[01:11:12] Speaker B: It doesn't need to be such subject.
Are you familiar with the group cryptid warfare?
[01:11:23] Speaker C: I am not.
[01:11:26] Speaker B: Okay. I just heard them telling a story.
I think they're out of the Tennessee area.
[01:11:34] Speaker C: They might have just followed.
That name is familiar. I don't know if they recently followed the chasing legends, Instagram or liked a post, but that name.
[01:11:48] Speaker B: I've kind of been putting your name out there for the group that we talk with, and I haven't personally talked with them, but they are involved with a lot of the podcasts that we do work with. But basically they're former military and police and they joined this cryptid group. Then they call them themselves cryptid warfare, and they also have a podcast, and they were just on another podcast and they brought out a huge point that I never thought of. It's not only the cryptids that you may be hunting or the animals like the alligators and stuff that are out there. They ran into an issue where they didn't research the area that they were going very well and found out that they landed themselves in a pot growing area where the people in that area did not take kindly to it. And they were chased down all night and hiding in ditches. And luckily they had guns and stuff with them and they didn't have to use them, but it was the story that they were telling. I mean, basically they went out to go on a couple of hour excursion just to check this area out. Ended up being out there for almost 8 hours because they were like hiding in ditches and stuff. And luckily when they went out there, they covered their car with brush and stuff. So the people didn't even see their car because they were afraid that if they had found the car, they would have slashed their tires. So that was a part of it I never thought of. You have to be careful of humans, the worst ones.
[01:13:37] Speaker C: Before we even go out on investigation, I'm surveying Google Earth and kind of pinpointing the best possible place where we can go where we're not going to run into private property just because of that risk. But also, the farther away from people you're going to be is the more likely you're going to have experiences, right?
Yeah, it's pretty wild. And kind of on a different note, similar to we had, we talked with the guy in the Paqui episode, John Horgan, and he talked about how he has spoken with paranormal groups that have gone out into the area that we investigated. And you'll have two different groups on opposite ends of this at the same time doing call and response things for like Bigfoot. And they'll be talking to each other, not realizing that they're talking to each other.
[01:14:35] Speaker B: So they're thinking they're getting all this great evidence.
[01:14:38] Speaker C: So they'll be howling out and doing wood knocks. And then the opposing team thinks that what they're experiencing is some Sasquatch activity. So they'll do it back and then it's just a back and forth of these two groups unknowing of each other.
I've never ran into that, luckily, but, yeah.
[01:15:03] Speaker B: That'D be something I'd be shouting out, wait, are you human over there?
Are there actual people?
All right, Jeremy, what's the next question you got for us?
[01:15:15] Speaker A: Well, I think we probably took enough time from them, so maybe we should just wrap.
[01:15:20] Speaker B: Wrap it up because.
[01:15:23] Speaker A: Yeah, we're already.
[01:15:24] Speaker C: Give me one more. Give me one more.
[01:15:26] Speaker A: One more, one more.
[01:15:27] Speaker B: All right, I'm looking here.
How about can you give us a sneak peek on any upcoming cryptid investigations or projects you have in the pipeline?
[01:15:42] Speaker C: Yeah. So we have plans for two as of now to film this year. First one will be in March 2, one not decided yet. Possibility of a third one, but we're not sure yet.
And then those episodes will release as kind of like our season 1.5. We're not going to call them season two, but those are going to be our new format that we're kind of going with. I mean, I say new, but it's going to look relatively the same. It's just I'm going to actually narrate the episodes this time around so we can put more info in, but it's also going to help us in the editing because then we can kind of transition to things easier.
Yeah, and we've decided on kind of a shorter episode format. So we're going to go with, I think it's like 20 to 30 is what we're going to try and stick with. Just so it's not.
What we ran into with the four recent episodes that we put out was that we were trying to go for like a tv standard hour, which is like 42, 45 minutes. And what we ran into was there was a lot of just dead space to kind of make that time.
So we're just going to cut it back just to kind of keep things snappy. And more to the point, obviously, we don't have time constraints. We don't want to make it shorter than 20 minutes, but if we have enough good footage and content, we're more than happy to kind of make it longer.
But we're going to try and stick to that 2030.
But, yeah, that'll be kind of like a season 1.5 sort of a thing that we're doing just to kind of get new stuff out there, show people that we're back and doing stuff. And then I believe in the fall we might attempt to do another Kickstarter and do a proper season two.
But all that's kind of still up in the air. But yeah, we have things for sure coming and there's a lot that we're hopeful to happen because with my dream for season two was to have a few, actually go international and explore some of these bigger topics, try and do some longer expeditions to give ourselves more potential to have encounters with whatever we're looking for.
Yeah, it's going to be a busy year for us with this and hopefully the next several years are even busier.
[01:18:31] Speaker B: That's awesome. Well, Nash, I have to say, it is so fun. I have not.
Well, I guess I didn't even mention this earlier. I've known Nash since he was little. He is the same age as my son and he used to come over to our house and play and I went to high school with his parents. So it's so crazy to see you all grown up and doing all of this awesome stuff. And I was so glad that our roads were able to cross with this, with us doing the podcast and being along the same lines of what you're doing and us being able to have you on and ask you all these awesome questions and hear all your awesome stories. And it's been crazy. You were quite the imaginative little kid when you were growing up, too, so it's fun to see that you took it.
[01:19:24] Speaker C: I mean, and I never asked you how did you even come across my stuff, Dylan? Oh, really?
[01:19:31] Speaker B: Dylan told me. Yeah, he was telling me that a couple of years ago. He actually mentioned, goes, he asked me if I remembered you. And I'm like, of course. And he goes, yeah, he's going out on all these adventures, hunting.
Yeah. So he told me about it and I checked out your stuff a while ago. And then when we started the podcast, Dylan and I were talking again and he's know, you should really see if Nash would want to come on because it's kind of along the same lines. And then he also went to school at Lakeville in high school, and he went to school with Dakota and Chelsea Layton and that he's, but he mentioned he's know, get in touch with Nash, see if he remembers you. I bet you he'd come on and do an interview. I'm like, that's a great idea.
And then we interviewed Jenny from TCPS paranormal and taps last weekend. And she remembered meeting you at. We talked about this on chat at some cryptid or some kind of event.
[01:20:42] Speaker C: I think it was Minnesota Paracon. I forget the name of. It's not a thing anymore. But, yeah, that was way up in. I think it was like shooting star Casino. Yeah.
[01:20:51] Speaker B: She said that it kind of went away with.
[01:20:55] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Like, I haven't. I can't even remember the last time I even talked to Dylan. So that's know, that's great.
[01:21:06] Speaker B: That's.
[01:21:08] Speaker C: Brought that up and talked about it.
[01:21:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
I think that's the nice thing with social media. Even though some of us really hate it, it really does keep us in connect with what people are doing.
[01:21:21] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure.
[01:21:23] Speaker B: But, yeah. He says hello.
[01:21:28] Speaker C: Back.
[01:21:29] Speaker B: I will.
[01:21:31] Speaker C: Yeah. There's a couple of things in Colombia that I wouldn't mind looking into.
[01:21:36] Speaker B: There you go. Take him out and scare the crap out of.
He's. It's crazy. He loves it out. He. They were living kind of Airbnb to Airbnb out there, and they were going out and living in Airbnb tree houses. He lived in an Airbnb mud hut type thing.
Yeah. I mean, they were out in the wilderness and stuff, and I'd be on the phone with them and you could hear monkeys in the background. I'm like, are you safe?
[01:22:15] Speaker C: That's awesome.
[01:22:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And then their bed, like, in one of the tree houses, they had to sleep with a mosquito net over because there's no walls.
So not something I could do. But he loved it.
[01:22:33] Speaker C: That's awesome.
[01:22:34] Speaker B: Yeah. But anyway, well, we'll let you go and we appreciate your time and all of the great info and stories that you shared, and that was a lot of fun having you on. We'll have to do it again after you get everything kind of up and rolling and have you come on after.
[01:22:53] Speaker A: Season two is done, you can come.
[01:22:55] Speaker B: On and give us a recap of everything.
[01:22:58] Speaker C: I'm sure if we can do some of the episodes that I kind of have in my head for that, we'll probably have some crazier experiences in Louisiana.
[01:23:12] Speaker B: And we'll definitely be watching. We'll be watching you and we'll make sure that we share out your information as well for our listeners so they can watch, too.
[01:23:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Chasinglegendscrew.com is my website, and that's kind of like the one stop shop. All of our episodes are there and then all of our social links are also on there. So you can pretty much get to anywhere that's related to our stuff through our website.
Otherwise, chasing Legends official is all of our social handles. It's YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram.
[01:23:49] Speaker B: Nice. Definitely go check them out, guys. There's a lot of great videos on YouTube. We had a lot of fun watching them, and some of them I rewatch.
Well, again, thank you, Nash, and be safe in your adventures and stay in touch.
[01:24:07] Speaker A: Thanks a lot, Nash.
[01:24:09] Speaker C: Yeah, thank you, guys.
[01:24:10] Speaker B: All right, have a good night.
[01:24:12] Speaker A: Bye.
[01:24:12] Speaker C: You, too.
[01:24:13] Speaker A: Well, folks, that's a wrap for today's episode of Total Conundrum.
[01:24:18] Speaker B: And what an adventure it's been, diving into the worlds of cryptids and the downright bizarre with our special guest, Nash.
[01:24:25] Speaker A: Seriously, who know would end up debating whether Bigfoot prefers crunchy or creamy peanut butter?
[01:24:32] Speaker B: Uh, wait, what? We didn't discuss that.
[01:24:36] Speaker A: Well, maybe we should have. Sounds like a very important topic to discuss.
[01:24:42] Speaker B: One thing's for sure, though. With Nash's epic storytelling and our passion for the unexplained, this episode was a roller coaster of laughs and goosebumps.
[01:24:54] Speaker A: So, listeners, buckle up and get ready for more mind bending mysteries and side splitting shenanigans on the next total conundrum.
[01:25:02] Speaker B: Until then, remember to keep your eyes peeled for cryptids, your ears tuned in for evps, and your peanut butter securely stashed away from prying Sasquatch, aka Jeremy's hands.
[01:25:16] Speaker A: Hey, I take offense to that.
[01:25:20] Speaker B: Goodbye.
[01:25:21] Speaker C: Goodbye.
[01:25:21] Speaker B: We love you. Keep on creeping on.
[01:25:25] Speaker A: Bye. Smell you later. Thanks for hanging out with us here at Total Conundrum. Please make sure to check out our website and
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