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[00:01:10] Speaker C: All right, Conundrum crew. Tonight we're diving headfirst into the world of the paranormal investigations.
The evidence, the moments that make you question everything you thought you knew about the afterlife. Joining us tonight is Afterlife Paris Paranormal, a team dedicated to exploring the unknown, uncovering what may exist beyond this life. From haunted locations and chilling encounters to the science, skepticism, and emotional side of paranormal investigations, they've seen it all. We're going to talk about their most intense cases, the moments that shook even seasoned investigators. And what keeps them going back into places that most people wouldn't step foot into after dark.
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[00:01:51] Speaker C: So dim your lights, turn the volume up and settle in, because this is going to be a good one. Welcome to Total Conundrum. Hey, guys, thanks for joining us. Does everybody want to kind of give themselves a little introduction?
[00:02:05] Speaker E: Sure, go ahead, Gina.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Well, my name is Gina and I'm one of the co founders of Afterlife All Stars. And Tim and I, we've been on previous. We've been on other teams before. And when we started this team, we just wanted to have a really good time. We wanted to teach people.
We wanted to really dive into the evidence and make a positive change in our community.
So I am so happy to be here. Thank you so much for having us and letting us share our stories.
Of course.
[00:02:39] Speaker C: Tim, you want to introduce yourself?
[00:02:41] Speaker E: Sure. I'm Tim Ardenwein. I'm the co founder with Gina.
I've been doing this for over 20 years.
I write books, give lectures on it, all that stuff.
But when Gene and I form the team, it was the same thing. We just want to have fun with it. But also always remember that the client and the guest is first. You know, whether that's finding answers or introducing people to the field and the equipment we use and use always, I always say running, run an honest investigation, an honest event. So good to be here. Thank you.
[00:03:16] Speaker C: You're welcome. Sasha?
[00:03:19] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:19] Speaker D: Hi, I'm Sasha. I have been on the team for, like, about two years now, I think. Like, I moved here in 2021 and I found them in November at some point, and I was like, oh, look at this Cool team. And they let you, like, join in and actually do a part of the investigation. Nice. Sounds like what I want. I mean, I've been doing my own, like, little ghost hunting here and there, but never alone, because as they say, when you go in the woods, take someone with you to sacrifice for later just in case.
And it's been great ghost hunting with them and just being able to experience so much more that I haven't been able to experience on my own.
So it's like things from. You know, they get chills from walking into a room, and I'm over here, like, where is it? I don't feel it yet. To the next minute, I'm sleeping in the room, and I'm like, gina, could you just come in here for a minute?
So, yeah, it's been great. I love it. It's so much fun. And I can't wait to like, be saying as long as Tim, you know, that would be amazing.
[00:04:27] Speaker E: Years and years.
[00:04:30] Speaker C: Anyone that may not be familiar with you guys, who is afterlife paranormal, and how did your team all kind of come together?
[00:04:37] Speaker E: It was. It was basically we as a team, we run a lot of public investigations where people investigate with us.
So Gina and I found each other when she was coming to events, and I realized how committed she was and how really smart she is about the equipment and just how to run an investigation.
So we started just talking, and we just came up, brought in some other people we knew to start investigating. And we've been doing it for, I guess, almost three years now. And it's been fun. You know, we.
We do. We do more of that. We run experiments also with our investigations. We're trying to look for answers. And they were always trying to think outside the box of how we can, you know, look for answers. So it's been fun dealing with the whole team. They've been great.
[00:05:25] Speaker C: Well, and it seems like you guys have a pretty amazing team. And I've watched a lot of the video clips and stuff that you guys post on Instagram and stuff. And I really like the way that you approach things and how you go into your investigations.
And, I mean, whoever does all of your editing on your videos and stuff, too, they. They do an amazing job.
[00:05:50] Speaker E: That's Gina.
[00:05:52] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:05:52] Speaker E: Oh, my God.
No, that's.
That's Gina. And the whole face of what people see is because of Gina and Sasha and other people take video and we all put it together and audio.
The whole face is with Gina and everybody else.
I know all the equipment. I'm not the techie computer entity guy. That's just, that's on me. That's the ladies, they do a wonderful job with that.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: Yeah, we try to have fun with it. You know, when it comes to investigations, we always have a camera rolling. You know, we always have multiple cameras rolling, really.
And we oftentimes will share our videos with each other so that we can look through the videos, obviously to do some evidence review, but also, you know, share what we're doing with, with everybody else. You know, we want to present our evidence and we're always welcome to, you know, skepticism, and we want people to look at our videos and hey, if you debunk something, let us know. Do you hear this? What we think we hear. And I, you know, personally, I love making videos. I started actually around, you know, I got into making reels and videos around Covid and for my job and I had to do everything virtually. And I said, all right, well, I guess we're jumping into these waters, you know, face first. Because I didn't know what I was doing and I kind of had to learn through that whole, you know, dumpster fire situation. But the cool thing was is that, you know, around that time is when, you know, videos were really taking off on Instagram and, you know, getting, getting to know how to use these apps and, you know, kind of putting every. All our highlights together really was for at least in my opinion, something that helps us, you know, puts us in a place where we want to be. We want to share our videos, we want to share our evidence, we want to share what we do. We are all very passionate about paranormal and also, you know, we like to have fun too. So a lot of times we'll post little goofy videos and, you know, I carry around a ghost costume in my equipment case and you know, whenever the mood strikes, somebody puts it on and we'll like do a stupid little dance and it lightens the night. And also, you know, we. We're having fun.
[00:07:59] Speaker C: So that's amazing. I love that.
So what originally drew each of you into the paranormal and doing investigations and stuff?
[00:08:09] Speaker D: Well, for me it was just like, okay, so I got into horror movies by the time I was 12 and a lot of that had sci fi, aliens, anything monster related, you know, cryptids, whatever. It was Sasquatch. I mean, I lived in Seattle before this and that was huge. Everywhere. Everybody was obsessed with Sasquatch trying to find him. And then you got the Florida Sasquatch skunk ape. So then everybody's trying to search for it down here too. So it's very like fun to see the two different sides as well. But it's like I've always loved looking at the sky and being like, I wonder what's up there and I wonder what could take me with them. You know, like I just like want to go explore different planets and another life I would have been an astronaut as well. And you know, people say it's like if you could do something full time at this point I'm like, I wouldn't mind being a ghost hunter full time or just a paranormal expert in general because then you could do everything. It's just like such a huge variety.
So after I started watching scary movies, I just got more and more into stuff. And you watch YouTube, you get down rabbit holes like lizard people. Are they real? Who know?
But it's just like all of that makes you even more interested. So then you start going out and doing little things to see if you can see stuff. Like at nighttime going out to this cliff edge where maybe you could see like all the night sky and what you could see out there and see if you could pinpoint something or looking through a telescope to then also like maybe trekking in the woods and you hear some weird like screaming and you're like, oh my God. But then you just realize it's one of those like cat like mountain lion things. Like they scream like witches. They're like very creepy. Actually watch a video about that. That stuff is woo.
But it's not always a ghost. Sometimes it's some animal making a very creepy noise and there's a bird out there that can sound just like a person. You just gotta watch out. But it's cool too. So like that all got me into it. So when I started ghost hunting I was like, oh, this is fun. But the people I was with at the time were like, no, I don't want to go into that basement, Sasha. And I was like, okay, well I don't want to go by myself so maybe I won't either.
[00:10:23] Speaker C: Yeah, like the animal sounds and stuff. We live in a lake community, so we're out in the country and it's like cabining type houses. Some are year round people, others are just seasonal.
And when we first moved out here, it sounded like a woman was getting murdered outside. And you could hear everybody like outside like, what is this? What is it? And ended up being a fox.
And it literally sounded like a woman was being murdered. It was insane. I'd never heard anything like that before in my life.
[00:10:59] Speaker E: Yes. Like down here the Florida panther sounds like a Woman screaming maybe it was that one. Yeah, because I was raised on it. We had a ranch when I was a kid on the skirts of the glades. And we'd hear it in my dad, you know, Ash is a panther. No one's out there. Don't run out there. All right, dad?
[00:11:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Don't be panther food.
[00:11:17] Speaker E: Yeah.
Go on, Gina.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: Oh. Well, for me, you know, getting involved in all of this, I grew up in.
My earliest memory is upstate New York. I lived in a really cool town, you know, off the Hudson River.
And my father would tell me and my brother ghost stories. We would sit around, you know, the fire. You know, we had a fireplace in the house. And then a lot of times, if we were taking a long drive somewhere, he would make up these ghost stories and he would insert us into the ghost stories, like, as characters. And I just, you know, I always loved consuming content of spooky stuff. I was really big into reading, like, the Goosebumps books and, you know, watching scary movies. And I just always loved, you know, just the. The idea of having the experience. I was always just very open to it. And then when my family moved to Florida, we actually moved into a haunted house, not unknowingly. And, you know, I had some experiences growing up in that house, and it really kind of drove me to just this fascination with it. I didn't understand it, but I was so fascinated by it. And of course, you know, when Ghost Adventures came out, I was a Ghost Adventures junkie, and I would watch every episode. I was so cute, curious. I learned about all the equipment through that show. And even though I never picked this stuff up in person, I knew how everything worked. I knew who made the stuff. I knew all the ins and outs. So when I finally got a chance to, I actually joined an event that Tim was running. I was geeking out with Tim about all this equipment. I'm like, oh, that's an ovus. Oh, that's a mel meter. And I was so excited and, you know, just made that connection. But it really kind of, you know, I've always wanted to have a paranormal experience. And, you know, I've never seen a ghost with my own eyes, but I've experienced, you know, voices and, you know, temperature changes. I've been touched. And it's. It's such an interesting experience.
And everybody always asks me, oh, what? You know, how are you not running out of the room? You know, and for me, it's. It's like an adrenaline rush. I get so excited that I just want to, you know, Turn my phone, you know, the video on, on my phone and film something, you know, I'm not going to be running out the door and it's, it's just, it's a wild ride. And I absolutely, I'm so happy and thankful that I found my people because I think, you know, like Sasha even mentioned, you know, you're, you're interested in something but not everybody else is interested in that. And it's such a cool feeling when you meet those like minded people that you can connect with and you know, share those adventures.
[00:13:45] Speaker C: I love it.
[00:13:46] Speaker E: So me, I never, I always tell people I never had like grandma standing at my bed, you know, nothing like that. It was just. I'm a retired paramedic in Miami, so. And I worked in one of the biggest trauma hospitals. So I saw a lot of death over the years. And I was kind of like a science nerd when I was a kid. So I started thinking about the law of physics. Energy isn't destroyed or created, transferred.
So I started thinking about, you know, there's got to be something more than just plopping someone in the ground. And back then when I started Ghost Hunters was just starting out so there weren't a lot of teens around equipment. So I just started investigating with, you know, like, I don't know if you guys remember the old ELF meter. It was like the first EMF meter. It's ancient.
Started out with that baby powder housing rods, just the basic stuff. But then once, once I kind of left myself open to maybe something's out there. Then every now and then the medics, we were supposed to take the bodies on the morgue if the transportation was busy. So after I kind of opened myself up to the possibility that I got my hair curled a few times, heard my name. So I always tell people that I go, you know, if you just leave yourself open to the possibility you might experience something, you know, it's, I'm not saying you'll get attached, but I always put it to like if I'm sitting at a bar and I see a pretty girl across the room and she doesn't smile at me, you know, if she smiles how sales she may want to talk. So that's why I'm thinking about the spirits. If they think that you want to make a contact, they might go, you know, that guy might actually believe her around.
Let's see if we can reach out to them. And from then on it was just, every time a piece of equipment would come out, I would just buy it and just learn it and over the years, it's been kind of cool to watch the excitement of people, guests, especially when you get a new person, has an experience, a team member or a guest, it's kind of fun to watch because they just get bubbly, like, oh, my God.
Some girl ran into a room. She was on a team, a girl named Linda, years ago.
And she ran in. She was, like, shaking, all excited. I go, what's wrong with you? She goes, I just saw an apparition in the Seminole room. I go, oh, yeah, the one by the boat. Yeah. He wanders around all the time.
But then it's kind of fun to watch Gina and Sasha and the team, how they grow and how their excitement is reached out to guests and they're seeing the paranormal not as scary anymore or not as, like, what they see on tv. Everything's demonic. It's like, oh, this is pretty cool. You know, there's an experience we can get, and we don't have to really worry about, you know, being scared about it. So it's been fun, you know, it's. It's. And it's fun to watch, you know, grow with the team and the ladies and everything and meet new people who years ago used to be either people thought you were crazy, or there was a religious side. You know, it's all. They're all. You know, they're all devils. It's all changed. You know, when you bring it, you talk about people like, that's pretty cool. Let me tell you my experience, or I wanted to do that. It's really changed over the years. The. The public's outlook on it. It's no longer only demons or you're crazy. It's like, wow, let me tell you my story.
So it's been cool to watch the whole field just grow and keep growing.
[00:17:00] Speaker C: Oh, for sure. It's. It's not, like such a taboo anymore. A lot of people are open to sharing their experiences or things that they have heard go bump in the night. And a lot of people don't just keep it, you know, to themselves and in fear of them thinking they're crazy or something.
[00:17:20] Speaker E: That's right. I tell team or investigators, go, don't be afraid to talk about it, because you might be that one person in their life that they've been looking for their whole life to tell them this really cool story that happened to them. So it's no longer a taboo, like you said. It's like people are just into it now.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:37] Speaker C: I am one of those that. I grew up in a home that was very haunted. But as I grew into adulthood, I started trying, you know, telling myself, well, was it just an overactive imagination? Was, you know, did this stuff actually really happen?
But I had a friend that I grew up with that shared a lot of the same experiences. So I'm like, well, we both couldn't have been imagining it. And I had a ghost follow me home from work at one point, and I was. I didn't sleep for days. And so I've always been one that has been terrified, and I've kind of closed myself off to it. But in the recent years, I've been trying to be more open to it. And we actually just recent or in the last couple of years, we met a local paranormal team and we actually went on an. On an actual. And, oh, my goodness, I can't. An actual investigation with them in Iowa. We went to Malvern Manor, and so we did a private investigation with them on Friday night, and then they had a fundraising event on Saturday night.
And when we went in there, I was scared to death. I was like, I am going to be sitting in the car or running back to the Airbnb. I really wanted to embrace it, though, because I really wanted to experience it and face my fears with it. And I think I actually did pretty good.
When we first got there, we were sitting in kind of like, the only room that had heat because this was in November, so it was cold, and I felt like my head was, like, in a pressure vice.
And I was talking to their team.
Is Tiffany a medium or a psychic or. I can't remember. Jeremy, can you.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: I think a medium.
[00:19:33] Speaker C: A medium, yeah. Well, she was kind of asking me if I was okay. She's like, I feel I'm seeing something, like, heavy here. And I told her, I said, as I'm talking to you, it almost feels like I have tunnel vision going on.
And so she's like, let's take you outside. Let's do a quick cleansing. And then she gave me a stone. I don't remember what kind of stone it was. It was on a necklace to wear, kind of for a little bit of protection.
She goes, I just. I just want you to be safe and be okay. And after she did that, I felt better. And then I actually tried doing an Estes method. And while I was under on the Estes method, I.
Like, I said it was cold in there, so I had a heated jacket on, I had hat on, everything.
Well, while I was under, I kept feeling like somebody was pulling my hair, like, at the top of my head. And so I kept going like this. And I'm like. I feel like someone is pulling my hair. And then come to find out the room I was sitting outside of, there was a woman that had.
I can't remember what the disorder is called. Is it trypophobia, where they pull their hair out?
[00:20:43] Speaker A: Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
[00:20:46] Speaker C: So that the woman that was her husband committed her there.
She was one that was very vain and would always sit in front of the mirror and stuff. And she got so kind of out of it. She started pulling her hair. And I was sitting outside of a room that. That had happened.
And I guess other people have had that feeling or sensation as well, but I didn't know that.
So it was kind of crazy. And we kind of went around and did some other, you know, investigating ourselves and sat in rooms. We haven't gone through everything yet to see, like, if we caught anything on the recorders or on some of the other film and stuff, but.
[00:21:27] Speaker B: And you really couldn't run because we rented a haunted Airbnb.
[00:21:33] Speaker C: Yeah, we stayed in a. An old. You stuck?
I was stuck.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: A church. That's cool.
[00:21:40] Speaker C: Yes, it was beautiful. It was an artist that bought it, and it was an old Presbyterian church.
And he whole chapel area, he painted in this beautiful mural. And at night we. You went up there and he had like, black lights in there, which made it just even illuminate, even just. I mean, it was gorgeous. I'll have to send you guys pictures of it, but, yeah, we're like, use
[00:22:04] Speaker B: like that phosphorus paint, so it kind of glowed.
[00:22:08] Speaker C: Yeah. So beautiful. And we slept in the old pastor's room.
[00:22:17] Speaker D: Sounds like you had a fun time.
[00:22:20] Speaker C: I mean, nothing really happened at the church, which I was okay with, but for my first like. Or for our first real investigation, it was fun. I actually enjoyed it. I'm not like, petrified to go on another one, so. And then now we have, you know, Midwest paranormal or Midwest spirit seekers is close by, and they've said that we could go on other investigations with them, too, and we've actually become very good friends with them. So it's been a lot of fun.
[00:22:50] Speaker D: Cool.
[00:22:50] Speaker C: Very cool.
[00:22:51] Speaker D: That's awesome.
[00:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:53] Speaker C: And then Jeremy is kind of a skeptic. He has never had an experience.
[00:22:58] Speaker D: You want to have that.
That's why you're together.
[00:23:02] Speaker C: He definitely wants to, but he just hasn't ever had an experience. Do you want to talk about your Estes method at all?
[00:23:11] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:23:16] Speaker D: What happened?
[00:23:18] Speaker B: Well, they basically just told me to say whatever was coming across and all I heard was, great.
[00:23:28] Speaker D: They made noises like that sounds like some words there.
[00:23:32] Speaker E: Yeah, I don't know, I didn't hear any words.
[00:23:36] Speaker D: Hey, sometimes you get words, sometimes you get silence. I've definitely sat there before just like for like 10 minutes straight and they're just like. She didn't really say anything and I'm just like, I'm focused, guys. Just leave me in here for like an hour. Maybe I'll catch something by then.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: I got some good laughs out of it.
[00:23:54] Speaker D: Yeah, there you go.
Did you make those noises then? Did you go,
[00:24:03] Speaker C: Was it one of them yippee ki or something? Oh, I love that.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:24:11] Speaker E: That's cool.
[00:24:13] Speaker C: But it was a fun experience. We're going to be going back there in November again. They do a fundraiser for type 2 diabetes every year because their son has type 2 diabetes. And next year we're going to help them do the.
The whole fundraiser and event and stuff. So we're pretty excited.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: That sounds awesome.
[00:24:31] Speaker C: Yeah. And when the place itself wasn't as active as I've seen in other videos and stuff, and we actually know a few other people that have actually been there and had some pretty weird things happen. But I think it was just the fact that there was. It was so. Especially Saturday night. There was so many people there for the event. It was just too much noise pollution
[00:24:54] Speaker B: and what was there probably like 80 people?
[00:24:57] Speaker C: There was a lot.
And it was. It's a big. It's a big place. But noises carry in those old places.
I mean, I think it was, what, 10,000 square ft?
So pretty big.
But creepy. Creepy as hell.
[00:25:16] Speaker D: At least you got it done with. And now you're like open. More open to the idea. Right?
[00:25:21] Speaker C: Right. Yes, definitely. I. I'm definitely looking forward to going back and going to do other investigations. I'm not as scared as I was. As I was. But would I go and sit in a room by myself yet? I don't know.
[00:25:36] Speaker D: In the dark while you're with the recorder.
[00:25:40] Speaker A: I love doing that to new people. I'm like, okay, take this recorder and go sit in that closet.
[00:25:44] Speaker C: We'll be out here, we'll come back and get you in a little bit.
Usually people oblige.
[00:25:52] Speaker E: Yeah. They go, really? Yeah. Because a lot of the closets we deal with, since it's historic, they're all tiny little closets. So they'll just. You gotta scrunch down in there and don't be careful standing up so you don't hit your head on the Nails. So it's really a tight place, but a lot of em will just. Yeah. Can I go in? Yeah, go on in, man. Have a good time.
[00:26:12] Speaker C: Yeah, not me. Jeremy was already. They had this. The attic, that space that you could get to. And it was creepy going up there. I mean, because it was like this really super narrow stairwell and little teeny, tiny stairs. And then you got up there, and then you could still see, like, the fire damage and stuff, that there was a fire that happened there, and somebody was killed in the fire up there.
But there was, like, holes and crawl spaces that went over. Over, like, the whole building and stuff. And Jeremy's like, I'll go in there. I'm like, you're insane.
[00:26:50] Speaker B: It would have been fun.
[00:26:52] Speaker D: No, that's why you see a lot of urban explorers are men. If you've noticed, there's a lot of male urban explorers. They're like, oh, I just, like, put my foot in some of this water that could possibly have a brain eating anoeba. But
[00:27:08] Speaker C: fine.
That's awesome.
So with you guys, I know you've investigated a lot of different places and stuff. Is there any place that resonates with any or any or all of you that affected you the most? Maybe not just scared you, but really stuck with you afterwards?
[00:27:30] Speaker E: Oh, go.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: For me, I think one of the most, like, a location that affected me the most is the sorrel weed house in Savannah. And I did that with my husband.
And it's been on a bunch of. It's been on Ghost hunters. It's been on ghost adventures. It's been on Kindred Spirits. It's been on every show, and it's your, you know, quintessential horror house. You know, it was a mansion, and there was a doctor that was doing weird experiments in the basement.
You know, he had some sort of affair with an enslaved woman. His wife caught him. The wife jumped off the roof. The enslaved woman was found killed later on. It's just, you know, it sounds like something made for Hollywood, but it really happened. And you can actually go and investigate in this house. And I did an investigation there, and I had a very open mind. I was thinking, you know, wow, this place is, you know, pretty dark.
And I had. On the way out in the last. The last area we investigated was the carriage house, which was where all of the enslaved people lived. And the docent, as she led us into this building, she sort of said, hey, guys. You know, it was just, you know, my husband and I and another couple, and, you know, she said, basically, you know, this was a really light space. This was a very happy place. This was a place everybody got together after the end of a long day. They would sit, they would cook, they would have a good time together. So please, keep it light. Don't ask questions and, you know, bring up anything about death. You know, she's like, just keep it light and you'll get good interaction. And we were investigating and we had the idea to sing. And I thought, you know, my husband's a singer. I said, you know, maybe, maybe, why don't you sing a blues song? You know, something kind of cool. And I asked him to sing Blue Suede Shoes. And as he was singing the song, we got voice after voice after voice, in my opinion, that were intelligent voices through the spirit box. We had a what sounded like a woman humming along.
And then we had what sounded like an older man. Say, I don't trust him. And then immediately later, either a female or a child, like a very light sounding voice was like, oh, no, he's good. Like, it was back to back to back. And it was such an interesting experience. Experience. And I really do feel like we had a connection and I sort of had this place built up in my mind. Like I have, you know, I really wanted to experience something there. And I was kind of upset because I had gone the whole night and nothing happened. And this was like in the last 20 minutes of being there, you know, and it was such a profound experience and I will never forget it. It was definitely one of my favorite places that really did leave a lasting impact on me.
[00:30:11] Speaker B: I guess the one ghost must not have been an Elvis fan then, huh?
[00:30:17] Speaker A: I was just thinking, like a bluesy kind of song, you know, like, we didn't know any songs that they would have known, but, you know, something that they might have been able to tap their toes to, you know.
[00:30:26] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, great.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: Elvis isn't for everybody, but
[00:30:32] Speaker D: go ahead, Tim. Oh, oh, good.
Okay. Well, I would say might have been sometimes scattered depending on investigations, but the most memorable one would probably be at the Seminole end. Still, to me, like, that is still because I actually spent the night in the room that we found to be the most haunted.
And so each room had a different theme there. It's 30 minutes away from like Stuart, Florida, and even I think West Palm Beach, Florida. It's pretty 30 minutes away from a lot of them because it's right in the middle where like kind of you get closer to Okeechobee.
So it was super close for me to get to. It's very like, bare. There's not much going on. But there's a cool little parrot there as well, which we had to watch out for because we would do recordings, and that parrot would be like, wait, is that a person? Or is it the parrot repeating something Gina said because he was in love with her? So, you know.
But then we went into. We had three or four different rooms. I don't remember if it was three or four.
[00:31:33] Speaker A: It was maybe a four.
[00:31:34] Speaker D: Okay. Because we had Gina's room, which was kind of, like, princess themed. There wasn't much going on in there, probably because they all were pretty happy. And then we had, like, a room by the sea that Tim had, which was a suite. That one had some stuff. I wouldn't say it was anything that made me go, whoa, I want to sleep in here. And then we had a room, like, me and another girl. But that one was, like, a bird kind of room. There was, like, birds on some of the, like, walls and pictures. But that one didn't get really anything either. And then there was the last one, and that one was its own little nook. There was only one room across the hall. Other than that, it was like a laundry room next to you. So not enough to make what I heard happen.
So I see that this drawer keeps opening in the room that's a part of obviously dresser. And it's only one drawer. And we even got comments going, oh, well, it's on a rotary. It probably just moves back and forth, whatever. But why was it that sometimes we would leave the room, it hadn't moved out at all. And then all of a sudden, it was out when we got back. Or we're in the room, we're saying, hey, come on, open the drawer. It's like, nah, I don't want to open it for over, like, half an hour. But then the next minute, it opens, like, three times in a row. You're like, oh, okay. So they are deciding when they want to open it. We left, like, a recorder in there when we left the room and we came back and we could hear on it, like, they're coming back, and we're like, oh, like, okay. So I was like, okay, guys, I want to spend the night here if nobody else wants to. So then I'm, like, getting ready for bed. And this is when I started getting shivers or, like, goosebumps all over my body, because every. Every time I had the REM pod, one of their REM pods, which is. I don't know if you guys know, but it's like the circular Device that has a little antenna, and it goes off with a red light. Oh, I think she's grabbing something.
Yes. Okay. Awesome. So, yeah, so every time I asked it some, I was doing, like, light questions, like, hey, I'm brushing my teeth now. Do you guys ever, like, miss brushing your teeth? Beep. I'm like, okay, thanks. Turn it off again. And then it would turn off. Then I'd be like, oh, here's me without makeup on. I know you thought I just look like that, but do you ever put on makeup?
I'm like, okay. And then it's like, every other second. But every time I asked a question, it would do it and it would listen. Like, the spirit listened when I said, oh, can you turn it off pretty fast?
The. The other weird part was that then I started being like, okay, I'm gonna get ready for bed, right? And I'm like, don't look at me, okay? I'm trying to get ready. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
[00:34:06] Speaker E: I'm like, hey, got it.
[00:34:09] Speaker D: So then I'm like, okay, now I'm getting goosebumps. I feel like there's a slicker in here. So I'm like, hey, Gina, do you want to, like, come over for a minute and just, like, hang out with me? So she comes and hangs out. We watch the drawer. It doesn't open at all for, like, I don't know. She was there for almost an hour, and it didn't open until right before she left. And I was like, son of a butt. Of course, the REM pod didn't go off at all. I'm like, oh, okay. I see how it is making me feel crazy, of course.
So then Gina leaves, and she's like, I'm gonna go to bed. But before she leaves, she had to say one nice thing, you know?
Do you see that, like, dark space over there by the closet? Does it feel like someone's looking at you? I'm like, what?
Okay, good night. Okay, good night.
So it's like, you know, almost 1:00am and I'm, like, not going to sleep yet. And I'm just looking at that little curtain, and I'm like, hmm, all right, we're just not gonna look at it. We're gonna turn this way to sleep. And then I try to go to bed, and I'm like, okay, sleepy time. But then I start hearing a tap, tap, tap, tap sound. And I'm like, I didn't hear this sound before.
And then I'm just like, what the fudge So I go outside, check around. Laundry's not going on. So I'm like, okay, somebody's somebody up in here. Trying to be like, hey, Sasha, I'm not done talking yet. So I was like, trying to go to bed. And I go, hey, I will wake up early. I'll set my alarm, make sure I'm up by 10, because checkout's at 11. We can talk at that point, but let me just go to sleep and please stop tapping. So they stop. And I was like, okay, all right. Go to sleep at some point with the lights on because Gina.
So then I wake up at 11:30. I'm like, this freaking phone alarm didn't go off. I had it up loud as heck so I could make sure I checked my phone. And the first thing I see is alarm couldn't be turned on because volume was too low. I'm like, I know I did not turn down that volume. So at that point, I went, hey, guys, I'm already late. I'll be back someday, I promise. And I scurried out of there.
[00:36:20] Speaker E: We put two Bibles in that drawer in the back of it to try to weight it down.
[00:36:26] Speaker D: That's right. We got a lot of growling, too. And stuff in that drawer. Forgot.
[00:36:30] Speaker E: And I always carry a level, so I leveled the desk to make sure it was level.
And actually remember, the REM pod was going off while the drawer was opening
[00:36:40] Speaker A: one time inside the drawer. Yeah.
[00:36:42] Speaker E: Yeah. We put it in, and when the drawer was open, you can see the lights flashing as the drawer was opening.
So that was a cool place.
[00:36:50] Speaker C: Wow.
[00:36:51] Speaker E: Yeah. Mine was like, there's a place we do Gold Coast Railroad. And it's just. I've been doing it for years.
Like, 12 years ago, I went out there to do my first event. So I was going to do an EVP session to get something to help promote it. And like, 11 in the morning, I was getting ready to leave, and I said, I'm getting ready to leave. If you got anything to say, say it now. And a little boy came on and said, hello, help me. And then it touched me later because I was in there at another time. And I said something like, I always tell people, if your EVPs are dying out, even if there's not a history of a kid, ask about a history, then ask if they're okay. So I did. I said, is a boy okay here? And all of a sudden, the EVP was. He's happy. But he said, like, an attitude, like, you know, mind your own damn business. We got a thing Going. And I still hear from the boy every now and then. So I just feel bad that he can't move on. Like he's stuck there. That's always bothered me a little that he's just kind of stuck there by. By this adult spirit holding him there. But I've had places where I've had 30 minute EVP session at Old Davey School. I said, wait a minute, man. I'm gonna go get a chair and sit down.
So we went back and forth, you know. What was your favorite color? Horse? Red. Did you ride bareback? Who's the president? And the EVP session was back and forth for like 30 minutes. So it all depends. Yeah, the kid always bothers me because he's stuck there and we can't move along. We. I've tried with other people, but he's just got some hold on him, you know?
[00:38:17] Speaker C: That's sad. I hate when I hear stuff like that. When there's like an overpowering spirit that's holding other spirits from passing on.
So that always bothers me. Not fair.
[00:38:30] Speaker E: No. But he said it with like an attitude like, you know, mind your own business. We got our thing going on and.
[00:38:35] Speaker C: Yeah, that's not good.
[00:38:37] Speaker E: That was like six years ago. And he still comes to the boys. Still comes through every now and then. So he's still there.
[00:38:43] Speaker C: Well, at least he knows he can communicate with you.
[00:38:45] Speaker E: Yeah, I go by a lot and just. I go in the medical car and just yak. Hey, man, how you doing there? We put toys out for him when we're there.
They'll put bears out and little, you know, cat balls and things and goof on. I think we left them that doll one time. We found a doll out there.
[00:39:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:01] Speaker E: And we left him the doll.
[00:39:02] Speaker C: So I was at a thrift store the other day and I saw the female version of Robert the doll.
It was like, Roberta. I should have let me. I've got a picture of it. I'll show you guys here.
[00:39:17] Speaker D: Have you ever gone and seen Robert the doll?
[00:39:20] Speaker C: I have not and I probably will not.
[00:39:23] Speaker A: It was. I did the investigation there. It was pretty intense with Robert.
[00:39:27] Speaker C: I don't know if you can.
[00:39:29] Speaker A: Oh, yeah,
[00:39:31] Speaker D: she's got some nice creepy vibes.
[00:39:33] Speaker C: Yeah.
So I sent it to Jess from Midwest Spirit Seekers. And I was like, look it. I found Roberta. And she's like, did you buy it? I'm like, nope. She stayed there.
And I'm like, yep.
She likes her home at the thrift store.
[00:39:54] Speaker E: Yeah, I still have that doll that we gave the boy. It's at the house. I still have the. Not that doll. Yes, that doll. I have that doll still here at the house. So he's in the garage. So he don't come in now. So he's like, he stays in the box.
[00:40:10] Speaker C: That's a good place for that.
So have you guys ever investigated a place that you were kind of skeptical if there was really, truly any activity, and you left completely convinced?
[00:40:24] Speaker E: Well, you know the replica school at the. We do a place called New River Inn, and there's a school that was. It's not an actual. It's not the actual building. It was built in memorial of Ivy Stranahan, the first teacher in Broward. So it was actually a building that was built in 1976. And I'm always shocked that we get activity in a replica building. For years.
I went there the first time I go, this is a replica. There's nothing going on here. Sure enough. And I'm always shocked. Did we get kids singing? What's your favorite subject? Math. Did you remember your teacher? We got Ivy once on the dvts.
So for replica building, it's very active.
[00:41:07] Speaker C: Was it built on the same ground?
[00:41:09] Speaker E: It was brought. It was like a 1976 bicentennial thing, and it was brought to the same area, but it was freshly made. I mean, it's made in the same design. It looks like an old school if you walk in there.
[00:41:24] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:41:25] Speaker E: But unfortunately, the Dade pine that they used back then is no longer available, so it wasn't made out of the exact wood they had.
But it's in the same area. But, you know, we're always. I'm always surprised it's still active for being a replica.
[00:41:39] Speaker C: Very cool. How about you, too?
[00:41:41] Speaker D: I can't think of any, because usually when I go into it, I'm like, it's always a place that we have known as haunted. Or even when I've done it by myself, I'm like, oh, I know that this has been said to be haunted. I guess there was one time where it was kind of convincing, but I don't know. It wasn't a full, like, 100%. It's like sometimes you go to a place and you might be new there. And this is what they told me on being on the team is they might just be shy with you, and you need to go back several times before you'll actually know for sure if there's anything there, because they just might not be comfortable with you yet or expressing yourself, or it might just not be one of those nights where Their energies have enough power to talk to us.
[00:42:22] Speaker C: Makes sense. How about you?
[00:42:23] Speaker A: For me, we have an area. We're actually about to go back and reinvestigate this place we've been a bunch of times, and it's called the Devil's Tree.
And you might have heard there's a. There's one in New Jersey, which a lot of people talk about, but we have one in Florida that is. It's shocking to me that it's as little known as it is, because there was a very, very, very prolific serial killer in. In South Florida in the 1970s. And if you look this guy up, I actually heard about him for the first time on a podcast called Morbid.
And basically, this guy was operating throughout South Florida, and they got him on, like, a handful of murders, but they believe that his murder count is much higher. But they were never able to pin all of the, you know, the bodies on him. But basically, his nickname was the Hangman. And what he would do is he would. He posed. He was a sheriff, he was a police officer, and he would see women, young women hitchhiking, and he would. He would pick them up, and they would say, oh, this is the perfect ride. It's a police officer. And he would. He would get them in the back of his car, and then he would take them to this wooded area, and he would tie them up, and he would, you know, do horrible things. And this particular tree is.
It sounds like lore. It doesn't sound real, but it is very dark, creepy tree in the middle of this, you know, wooded area. And it's got, like, this. I think somebody tried to repair it at some point and put, like, it's some sort of synthetic material inside the knot.
But, you know, a lot of people supposedly have tried to cut it down. Some people have tried to burn it, and, you know, it remains, and, you know, it's supposedly very haunted. Well, the first time I went and I investigated this tree, I was with a few other girls, and I knew it was haunted. I knew the whole story, but I did not really, you know, understand how haunted it was. And I was doing an Estes method, you know, like you said you were doing, and I decided to sit up against the tree. I sat on one of the large roots, and my back was up against the tree. And I was wearing. At the time, I was. It was summer, so I was wearing a tank top, like a cotton tank top.
And, you know, I was fine. After the investigation, I went home. I, you know, and I was getting ready for bed, and my Back felt like it was on fire.
And I showed my husband. I said, can you look at my back and see what's wrong with my back? The entire. My entire back. And mind you, this was in an area that was covered by a shirt. It wasn't like my bare skin was up against the tree, was completely, like, red, as if I had sat out in the sun. You know, like I got sunburned or something. And he's like, it's really irritated. You know, it doesn't look good. And it was so bad that I was having chills all night. Like fever chills. And the next morning it was completely gone. Wow. And I really think that that particular place is evil. And I think that, you know, me being naive about the whole situation, touching the tree, you know, I Very quickly, you know, now when I go, I'm not going to touch the tree.
I'll go and I'll investigate it, but I'm not. I'm not going to sit on it. I'm not going to stand on it. You know, I'm not going to do any of that. And I think that that for me was. Was probably like one of the more unexpected situations that I've ever had on the paranormal investigation.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: Where is that located?
[00:45:54] Speaker A: It's in an area called Port St. Lucie.
And so at the time in the 70s, it was an expansive wooded area.
And it kind of.
The edge of the woods would have led up to a canal.
And at the time, it was a very large wooded area. But now, over time, they've had some new developments come in. So it's actually on the edge of a neighborhood. So what's. What kind of sucks about the situation is if you're out investigating, you might see people walking by with their dogs. Like, you know, they walk their dogs past the Devil's tree, and people are always curious. They'll ask, hey, are you guys investigating? Did you get anything? Can I watch? You know, it's. It's pretty interesting. But, you know, all the locals know about it and it's.
It's kind of weird because they don't have any signage up. There's no. I feel like there should be like a little memorial or something. Like a little plaque. Nothing.
[00:46:45] Speaker D: I don't think they want people to know that it's there because it might bring the housing value down since it's so close and they close it after dark.
Like, if it gets dark and you're there and they catch you just at the right time, you will get, like, in trouble.
[00:46:59] Speaker C: Trespass.
[00:47:01] Speaker D: There are some People. Yes. Who I've heard before who have gotten in trouble. That's also 30 minutes from me.
[00:47:09] Speaker C: You are just central.
Yeah, that down. That's the story I hadn't heard before. So we do true crime as well.
So I'm gonna have to look in.
[00:47:18] Speaker A: Yeah, look it up. It's. He went by the Hangman. His name was Gerard John Schaefer.
And it's just one of those stories that you wonder how it's not as well known as, like, a Ted Bundy. I mean, it's. It's a pretty crazy story.
[00:47:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm definitely.
[00:47:33] Speaker D: And there's even other fun facts. Like, some people think a Saint Colt, too, used to, like, worship there just because of the deaths of the women.
[00:47:42] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe.
Who knows, you know?
[00:47:45] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:47:48] Speaker D: But you never know. I've been there several times. And again, I'm a bull in the china shop kind of ghost hunter. So I'm like, show me you're there. And everybody else is like, don't. I've already been touched enough. And I'm like, I'm waiting.
[00:48:02] Speaker C: I'd be the one that. No, you can show her. Don't show me.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: Touch her.
[00:48:07] Speaker C: Don't touch me.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: I'm good. I don't need to be touched.
[00:48:11] Speaker C: No, you do not have permission.
Have you guys ever had an investigation where you've. Multiple people on the team have either seen or experienced something pretty incredible happened at the same time? Like an apparition or, you know, something that's.
Or like, some pretty compelling evidence. Like, your most favorite compelling evidence.
[00:48:41] Speaker A: We've seen, like, shadow figures and stuff, but usually it's not, you know, it's. One person will see it, you know, And I think we've. A lot of us have seen them, and it's. But it's always like a split second, you know, and then it's.
It's gone. But we've had collective experiences on locations, especially recordings, too.
[00:49:03] Speaker D: I feel like we've all experienced. Oh, one of the ones in the schoolhouse. It was a good one. I remember I had to keep it. Tim was recording with his awesome recorder. And we all do it, like three to four people sometimes that's going on at the same time. So they all get different things. I think his was the only one that got where you're just like. You heard some things and they're like, hey, you here? And then you hear, I'm here. And we're all like, whoa, what happened?
And so. And I'm like, shut up. I'm trying to video.
Cause it's like, we got it. And it was so exciting. Like, we were all, like, really excited about it. And I remember that moment. Cause we were just like. Everybody shouted like it was a football game.
[00:49:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that.
[00:49:49] Speaker D: Cause you rarely hear that. Like, two words, especially that really go well together.
Tim hears stuff all the time. He's the best.
[00:49:56] Speaker E: Yeah, I like. I like audio. My audio is my favorite.
[00:50:00] Speaker C: So you have to have an ear for it too. I mean, and when you're listening through, if you're not like, listen or watching the.
The sound waves, if you're not watching actually physically see them, there's some people that just have that ear that can really pick it up.
[00:50:16] Speaker E: Yeah, we'll just.
We play back, like after one or two questions just to see if we can build a conversation.
So a lot of us, we've got. We gotten accustomed to it where we'll go and we'll ask. What do you think? You said, like, he died. No, he cried and things like that.
So it's not always exact, but it's. Or we'll just. We're real honest about it too. I don't know. But it's two words.
[00:50:40] Speaker C: Right?
[00:50:41] Speaker E: You know, because I, you know, even when I used to post stuff all the time, I was real honest about. I said, what do you think it says?
Because I wanted feedback. Because everybody here is different.
And that way it always keeps the evidence transparent.
[00:50:54] Speaker C: Right.
[00:50:55] Speaker E: You know, and that. And we do the same thing with us. We'll like, what do you think? I don't know. I think it says this. Well, let's wait till we put it on the computer and find out.
So we're always trying to figure out. We're always honest about it. And our. Some people. I didn't hear nothing. Well, yeah. So it. And it's good. And no one's ego's too big to say. You sure?
I think so.
But. But you guys got locked in that house. That was a group thing.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that was. That's. That's a great point. Yeah. That was a wild night. It was. This was the team that we. Tim and I were on previously. And the way we did this was we. We have the history Fort Lauderdale museum property and we host events for them. We. We fundraise for their museum. And once in a while we get just like a fun team night where it's, you know, just us and we get to investigate on our own. And there was.
Myself and four other girls were in what is called the King Cromartie house. And we, as we were. The guys, were going into another building. The girls went over there, and the caretaker, Dan, was with Tim. And he opened the door and let us in. And he said to us, you know, I'm gonna. You know, I'm gonna leave the door open because it's a deadbolt. Just use the little latch key lock. You know, when you go inside, there's like a little latch that goes over. He goes, use that. So that way you guys are safe. Because the building is in downtown Fort Lauderdale. There's a lot of, you know, drunk people. He's like, it's just safer, you know, I don't wanna lock you in.
So he actually said that as he's walking away, and we're watching him and Tim walk down the street.
Then we start investigating. And one of the girls wasn't feeling well. And this is a historic house. There's not like a bathroom you can go in and use, you know. And she's feeling sick, and so she's like, I'm just, you know, I'm just gonna go outside and get some air because I feel really nauseous. And she goes to try to open the door.
She can't open the door. And she's. She's panicking. She's, you know, she's about to feel. You know, she feels sick. So another girl gets up to open the door, and she looks at me and she goes, it's locked. And I said, guys, it's not locked. I watched him. He didn't lock it. You know, it must be stuck. You know, just jiggle it. And I was like. At that point, I'm annoyed because I'm thinking, she's sick. One of you needs to open the door. So I get up, annoyed because I know that the door is open.
So I get up and I look inside the door jamb, and I could see the deadbolt was. Was engaged. And this thing. The thing is, you can't open that door without the key.
And that's why he said he didn't want to lock it.
So I'm looking at her, she's looking at me. We're freaking out. And one of the other girls goes, all right, I'm going to call Tim. We didn't have Dan's number. She's like, I'm going to call Tim.
And the girl got sick on the floor. She. She threw up. And it was just such a crazy situation because I could not for the life of me understand how that deadbolt got locked in place. And Dan, when Dan finally came back he said, I didn't lock it. And he's the only one who had the keys.
So we, you know, we were all just sitting there scratching our heads, like, how the heck did this happen? And then later on that night, we were in a different building.
We continued investigating, and we have a. Like, a spirit box portal type of device. And I don't know who asked the question, like, what did you do to the girls? Why did you do that? And it said, locked.
[00:54:21] Speaker C: Oh, no.
[00:54:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that was. That's a good point. And that was something that we all experienced. I guess it's kind of the best
[00:54:29] Speaker E: example because we get a lot of EVPs, and I've gotten a few over there.
[00:54:34] Speaker A: There's.
[00:54:34] Speaker E: There's a bathroom upstairs.
And I was. We always think there's an old man in his bathroom, because I always get to get out up there. Cranky old man. And one time I was up there, and I go, hey, the ladies are here. Coming tonight. What do you think? Because I always get there early, and I'm always doing stuff.
And DVP was whores.
They're not whores, man. Be nice. You know, he just. He's a cranky old guy, and he has something against women, I guess. I.
[00:55:02] Speaker A: You know, we think it was that spirit that made the girl sick. That's what we think.
[00:55:08] Speaker E: But it was. Well, because, I mean, it's a. It's. There's. There's one set of keys to it, and Dan had them, and it was deadbolted, and it has to be a key deadbolt. So I'm like. And I. And Dan. Dan's very real good about locking doors, but when we're there, he doesn't, so. And he was with me the whole time, so I know he didn't sneak back. But. Yeah, I'm like, what happened? But the cool thing was, it was like two or three of the girls, like, their first real investigation per se, play time.
And they handled it so cool. You know, most people have been freaking out. They're like.
Even the girls, like, wiping the Citico. That was exciting. And she's like.
And I haven't. I haven't seen someone throw up in, like, 15 years. So I'm like, that's cool. And they're like, sorry. That's pretty cool. You don't see many people get that much evp EMF accident where they throw up.
[00:56:00] Speaker C: Right?
[00:56:01] Speaker E: They were outside. They were handling, like, pros. Like, they've been doing 20 years. Like, that's so exciting. I'm like. And they're like, that was cool. Let's go back.
That's when, you know, I go now. Yeah, they're ready. They, you know, they're good.
[00:56:15] Speaker C: So they're all in Ellis, Colo.
[00:56:20] Speaker E: I had one place where every week. Well, once every two weeks, we went up to this cemetery, and there's a mausoleum. And I was always standing on the wall of the mausoleum. And I look down, and I always see this shadow guy.
He'd stick his head around, and I go.
I go, now I gotta go look for him. And everybody. Everybody saw him a couple times too. They go, you got to do the dance. Yeah, I got to go see if he's there. And I know he's not going to be there. So I got the FLIR camera, and I'm looking like, okay, we'll play next time I'm here. But sometimes, you know, you might not see it together, but people, different team members will see enough, and they'll know it. They'll go, you got to go look for him. I go, yeah, I go look for that guy. He's down there. And we got to go do the walk.
We see shadows at the Gold coast all the time. Same shadow person.
[00:57:06] Speaker A: That was actually the first place I saw a shadow person. And what's crazy about that property is it's locked down. Because in the same property, you have the Miami Zoo, and then you also have the air. Is it the Airspace Museum, Tim, or is a naval base sort of naval museum and a prison.
So there's no getting in after, you know, they. They close down for the day. There. There's, you know, they have, you know, gates that they put down. They have security guards that work there. So when I saw a person walk across. When we were on this investigation, Donovan, the. The, you know, the caretaker of that museum had to look through the cameras because he was concerned that there might actually be somebody on the property because it's, you know, it's secure. Supposed to be secure, you know, so that was pretty interesting. But they see a lot. What they think it is is their theory is it's a conductor from one of the trains, and people see him walking in and out of the rows of the trains that are parked there. And I think that's probably what I saw.
It was definitely a man.
[00:58:08] Speaker E: I'll have to send it to you, because one of the guests caught a shadow on the train. Beautiful shadow person.
[00:58:14] Speaker C: Really?
[00:58:14] Speaker E: It's the same guy.
And then one night we were there, like, 4 in the morning, and we had. It was me and some other guys we had one lady with us, and she was just here taking pictures. And for some reason, she goes, I have to go to the bathroom. I go, well, it's. It's over there. No one's here. Can you stand outside? I go, yeah. And she came out of the bathroom pulling up her pants. What's wrong with you? She goes, I just heard someone go, hey, I know. Oh, yeah, there's a voice in the bathroom. Oh, he's been there. He's been there for years. But a lot of times, like, Gina will see a shadow, and she'll go, oh, oh, yeah, that guy's always there. We might not see it at the moment, but we go to these places so much that we might see the same shadow person different times, and we can describe it to the other person.
What did it look like? This guy? Yeah. I go, yeah, he's always here. He wanders around the bathroom all the time. So it's not always collective, but we do see the same spirits. We hear the. We always get the same tones.
You know, we've got an EVP so clear that some people will recognize the voice, not just the word.
[00:59:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I actually did an investigation. It was a random, impromptu investigation at a haunted saloon in Daytona. And I caught an EVP of who they thought was a. One of the bartenders who passed away in the back.
And it had just happened to, like, a couple of months prior to. And I got this guy's voice on my recorder, and they told me to post it. They said, oh, please post this video. We want to. You know, we would love to direct our, you know, our patrons to watch this. And the guy's daughter reached out to me, and she said, that's my dad's voice. Like, I know my dad's voice, and that's my dad.
[00:59:59] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:00:00] Speaker A: So, like, I think that that is something, you know, and obviously not all voices you're going to be able to recognize, but in certain situations, you can. Absolutely.
They can be clear enough for you to recognize. And we've been in locations where we've heard the same old man, you know, grumpy old man. We get the same kind of voice in the same place on many occasions. So it's. It's. It's really interesting. And. And to me, I think that is one of the strongest types of evidence that you can capture because it's consistently there. It's not just like a fluke, like, we heard something in the wind that was coming in from outside. You know, it's the same voice in the same room.
So it's pretty cool. And we're very lucky that we have that property. You know, we volunteer for them and we capture evidence when we're doing. We host paranormal events. You know, guests can come in and they learn how to use the equipment and they join us. We've had. We've gotten great evidence with guests and we've also gotten evidence on our own. And it's. It's pretty consistent. I've never been there on a night where nothing happened. You know, it might not be popping off everywhere, but you might. You're going to get something in that. In that space. It's pretty cool.
[01:01:05] Speaker C: Well, and that does make your evidence all the more compelling too, because you are going into these places multiple times.
So it's not like it's a. It's a one off investigation. Like you're saying that. Oh, yeah. We've all seen your. Most of us or whatever have seen this here. We all have experienced this here. Well, we have this EVP this night and this evp, you know, this night and then another time. And they all match the same voice. And so that is really.
That makes it all the more compelling.
[01:01:41] Speaker E: Yeah, because I did, I did Linda's bar. This lady we know, she owns a bar. During the pandemic, I just went down there to play and I got this voice. And Linda, whose family owns it, goes, that bitch. I go, who is that? And she pointed out a picture and she goes, that's her. And then she called another bar maiden who lived nearby. And I played the evp. She goes, that bitch.
And it turns out this lady was.
It's a biker bar. So the family owns the business.
Dad loved the barmaid because the bikers loved her. But she kind of knew she'd do anything with the family because dad loved her.
So she was a bitch. She was a royal.
But two separate people just recognized the voice and their first words out. That, man. I'm like, wow, that, you know.
Then I caught a male and the other Bard maid was there.
I go, do you recognize this one? And she goes, that's Blackie. And Blackie was a biker who lived, you know, he would drink all day at the bar and go home. He died of a meth overdose like two years prior to super bowl party. Just, yeah, that's Blackie. And then later on, I did an investigation. I said, hey, man, what was your favorite drug? And he was meth. I got, hey, Blackie, how are you doing, buddy?
[01:03:04] Speaker C: Oh my.
[01:03:06] Speaker E: Yeah, it's. It's stuff like that that you go yeah, there's, there's something here, especially when outsiders pick it up, you know, it's not like you don't feed it to them. I just played. I go, what do you think?
And that was a, that was a gut knee jerk reaction.
[01:03:20] Speaker C: Wow.
Yeah, that is definitely.
I mean, it doesn't leave for a lot of skepticism there at all.
[01:03:29] Speaker E: That's why I like audio work. Because audio work you can't really mess with.
[01:03:32] Speaker C: Right.
[01:03:33] Speaker E: Fresh.
I mean, everything nowadays, all their video and stuff, you can mess with it. People, people expect you to mess with it.
[01:03:41] Speaker C: Right.
[01:03:42] Speaker E: But if you play them alive, live video, a live audio you caught on an old recorder that can't be tampered with, it freaks, they're like, oh my God. Jeez.
[01:03:51] Speaker C: Well, and it's like with capturing faces and stuff, the human brain is always going to try to find faces and everything that it sees. So a lot of times, even just
[01:04:05] Speaker A: a raw picture that may look like
[01:04:09] Speaker C: it could just be smudges or something, but the human brain is going to try to turn it into an actual face.
[01:04:17] Speaker E: Well, even here you have hearing matrixing too. That's why I always ask people, what do you think? Because they might hear something different.
[01:04:24] Speaker C: Right.
[01:04:24] Speaker E: Like I did one, I thought it said Oliver.
And when I put it on the web, someone says, no, man, that says I live here. I go, oh, you're right, it does say, I live here.
It was at a house. It was at an old historic home. So that's why, that's why we always try to work with each other. Because we try to run everything honest.
[01:04:46] Speaker C: Right.
[01:04:46] Speaker E: And see if we hear something. Gina told me this. I don't think he said that to him. Okay, that's cool.
And then we'll listen to it on the computer and see what it gets.
[01:04:56] Speaker C: See, that's one thing we have to be better at, Jeremy, when we're actually doing the investigations, to play back the recorder while we're there.
[01:05:04] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:05:04] Speaker C: Otherwise it's in limbo land and we never, you know, do it again.
[01:05:10] Speaker E: Yeah, yeah, because we'll listen to it and try to build on the conversation.
[01:05:14] Speaker C: Right.
[01:05:15] Speaker E: Did you work here? Yes. What did you do? And things like that. And when we're doing an invest an event, it's not fair to put down a recorder and go home with it because then the guests don't get to take part in the investigation.
So all the ladies, they're, they're great. They, they're, they're big about that. They're like, yeah, let's play for the guests. Because they're. It's their night. Let's play it for them and see what they say.
[01:05:39] Speaker C: I love it.
[01:05:40] Speaker E: Guess why. Some weird questions that you would never think of. So I did a place once where Al Capone was thought to be one time, and the lady asked, did you ever have syphilis?
And we got a yes.
So I'm like, I would have never thought to ask that, man.
[01:05:58] Speaker A: No.
[01:05:58] Speaker C: Well, and the one thing that we learned too, when we went to Malvern Manor is you have to be careful about what type of clothing you wear. Because we're sitting there, we had our jackets on, you know, we were all layered up and I didn't even think of our jackets making noises.
So you have to, like, make sure that you're being like super still. And then the more still you're trying to be, the more you end up fidgeting and moving.
So you really have to be careful of certain things like that too, because that could come across as something that it's not.
[01:06:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I think just having so many people there too. I mean, there's 15 people sitting in an eight by eight room.
[01:06:41] Speaker C: Yeah, we did. Yeah, there was a lot of us sitting in that room.
[01:06:44] Speaker B: It was constant noise. So, I mean, playing back a recorder would be pointless because all you're going to hear is breathing, sniffling, sneezing, some other noises, probably
[01:06:57] Speaker D: the floorboard creaking and they're like, oh, what was that?
[01:07:00] Speaker E: It was.
[01:07:01] Speaker D: It was me. It was me.
[01:07:04] Speaker E: It's.
[01:07:04] Speaker B: It's tough with that many people.
[01:07:06] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:07:07] Speaker E: I used to have a habit of carrying a, you know, a pouch, a pocket thing for batteries. And once a night I would drop all the batteries, you know, I leave the zipper open and all of a sudden recording and go, oh, that was Tim.
As long as you're honest about it, things happen, you know?
[01:07:25] Speaker C: Right.
[01:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:07:27] Speaker E: Like Gino tell you, I get a gurgly stomach in middle of investigation.
[01:07:32] Speaker B: That never happens to me at all.
[01:07:34] Speaker C: No, never.
[01:07:36] Speaker E: Because I have like 20 cups of coffee, so I'm like gurgling and Gino go, that's Tim. That's his stomach again.
[01:07:42] Speaker B: So, yeah, I'll be fine up until the point we start recording. And then all of a sudden, my stomach.
[01:07:50] Speaker C: It's a demon. No, it's Tim.
[01:07:55] Speaker E: We've had people, you know, pass, win, you know.
You know, we just call him Gasper, the smelly ghost. We'll just say we call it a gasper. We're cool, man. Hey, Bob, lay off the burritos, bro.
[01:08:11] Speaker C: So I love that. That's and you almost have to. Like, when something like that happens, you almost. If. If you're not listening to it back right away, it's like, okay, that was me. Or that noise is this. Or, you know, you almost have to call it out to make sure that, you know, because it's. It is hard going back and reviewing that stuff.
[01:08:35] Speaker E: Like, even the old cameras, the IR cameras, if you put a flashlight near it, it'll click off, and you gotta, like, say, oh, that was me. Because the old bullet irs, if you put a flat. Like, if you had a flashlight and you go near it, it'll click.
So you have to say, as me. So you always have to be open to saying, you know, I screwed up.
You know, let's move on.
[01:08:55] Speaker C: Right?
[01:08:56] Speaker E: I screw up the most. So Gina and the girls, they keep me in line.
[01:08:59] Speaker C: They're like, yeah, we learned we definitely need to get better night vision camcorders because we have a bunch of batteries for them, but they only last, like, 15 minutes.
[01:09:11] Speaker B: If that.
[01:09:12] Speaker C: If that. It was crazy.
[01:09:15] Speaker D: Maybe they're draining your batteries.
[01:09:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:09:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, it could be. We only used them the one time, but it was. It seemed like they were going so fast, and it's like we gave up recording after a while when we were walking. I'm just like, this is annoying. So, you know, I used my phone and.
[01:09:33] Speaker D: But do you have backup batteries that you always bring with you? Because that's the first thing I learned.
[01:09:38] Speaker C: Yeah. Yes, we do always have backup.
[01:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:41] Speaker C: The downfall is we had it on.
They're like handheld mounts, and you have to remove the mount to get to the battery compartment. And so it was just. It was too much work.
[01:09:53] Speaker B: They aren't very good cameras. And then I made the mistake of buying generic batteries.
[01:09:59] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:09:59] Speaker B: So that's why they only last for, like, 10 months.
Yeah, we got a lot of batteries.
[01:10:06] Speaker C: Yeah, we have a lot of batteries.
When we packed up to go there, it was like, all right, let's pack up everything we've accumulated. And our vehicle was full. I was like, this is crazy.
And we didn't even use half of it.
[01:10:21] Speaker E: Ours is like, honestly, it's funny because with Gina's stuff and my stuff, it's like. It's like, it looks like a roadie coming into a concert. We're, like, rolling down with cases and cases and cases.
[01:10:33] Speaker A: Yeah, he has so much equipment. It's. It's actually wild. Like, he'll show up with 10 cases, and people will go, wow, that's so much. I'm like, you haven't seen the other 10 cases?
It is so he has so much gear. It is. It is absolutely crazy. But it's amazing because everybody gets to try whatever they want.
And, you know, if there's something I want to buy, I'll say, hey, Tim, do you have one of these lights? Can I borrow it so I could learn how to use it before I get some?
And he's got it. He's got 10 of them. He's like, sure, here. How many want?
[01:11:05] Speaker E: I always tease people when I put out all my stuff. I go, look at all this stuff I have. And I still have a life. It's so cool.
[01:11:15] Speaker D: Oh, my God.
[01:11:18] Speaker C: Yeah. Jeremy and I, we came up with the idea. We want to start making some ghost hunting equipment. So we bought this really cool 3D printer.
[01:11:27] Speaker A: Oh, cool.
[01:11:27] Speaker C: So he printed this the other day, and I painted it. And we're. We haven't decided what we're gonna do yet, but I was thinking, like, a yes. No.
[01:11:35] Speaker B: I was gonna make REM pods out of those.
[01:11:37] Speaker C: REM pods.
[01:11:38] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:11:38] Speaker C: But, yeah, I was like, we could do the yes. No one, you know, the yes. No boxes we can do. I mean, we have so much fun with it, but it was a pretty easy print. And then it's got the compartment to put all the lights and everything in. So cool. We're gonna have fun with trying to make some of our own.
[01:11:57] Speaker E: I love that I make stuff, but nothing. I. I don't do electronic stuff. I'll make like. I made a box that's EMF proof, like Faraday.
[01:12:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:12:08] Speaker E: And we put. We put dolls in there to see if they're haunted.
[01:12:11] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:12:12] Speaker E: Because a lot of these people, they'll do pictures of dolls on a couch and they're going off the K meters on, but you don't know what's in next to it. You don't know if there's a computer tower.
[01:12:22] Speaker C: Right.
[01:12:22] Speaker E: So we did it, and we actually. Gina found a nun doll at New river that, you know, they had all the dolls on. And she was turned on by this nun dog. Like, who the hell would have a nun doll? And she started doing it in the case, and it was going off. So she said, let's try putting it in that box. And we, you know, I went up there one night and I made little cardboard pockets to put, like, K meters and cat balls. And no one was in the room or on the floor. Note, the K meter was going off and the cat ball was going off. So. But I'll do anything electronic. I'm. No, I'm not allowed to solder in the house. That's just.
[01:13:03] Speaker C: Yeah, you're better at it than you think, Jay.
[01:13:07] Speaker E: I'm like, no.
[01:13:08] Speaker B: So how far do you guys normally travel for calls or ghost hunting adventures?
[01:13:15] Speaker A: We travel all over Florida, I would say. You know, we do a lot of. Of investigating in south Florida, but we also have driven all the way up to, like, the Florida Georgia border there. We did an old jail there. We've driven, you know, we've done St. Augustine.
We have some friends on the west coast of Florida, and we do a lot of investigating with them. That's like four or five hours for us.
And, you know, we just. Florida is great because it's really easy to kind of road trip around. And, you know, there's. Depending on where you are, there's. There's haunted stuff all over this. This state, really. And, you know, we're. We're very lucky that, you know, we able to. We're able to travel and, you know, all of us are, you know, constantly, you know, booking new investigations. So we. We're pretty active. We go out a couple times a month.
[01:14:05] Speaker C: So, yeah, I want to start doing more investigations for sure. I'm like, so in now.
[01:14:12] Speaker B: Work is good here, though, because, you know, six months out of the year, you're hibernating.
[01:14:17] Speaker E: Oh, yeah. That's hard. I know I could.
[01:14:20] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:14:20] Speaker E: Yeah. Because, I mean, I've gone out in torrential downpours to do an investigation. We. We did a. We did the Gold coast once in a hurricane.
[01:14:29] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And I used to live in North Miami.
[01:14:33] Speaker E: Oh, my God. Yeah. We were under the shed and a band came through and we're just covering the equipment, but I don't know if I'd go out in the snow. I might say, well, you know, no, not right now.
[01:14:44] Speaker B: I think the snow is easier, but colder.
[01:14:47] Speaker C: Yeah, Less. Less damp. Not like a torrential rain and a hurricane.
[01:14:53] Speaker E: It was crazy.
[01:14:54] Speaker D: But it's harder to run away in snow than it is in rain if someone's there.
[01:14:58] Speaker C: That is true.
[01:15:00] Speaker D: Especially if it's an abandoned building. You're like, let's go look in here, babe. And he's like, okay, I'm skeptic anyway. And then all of a sudden, someone's there and you're like, I see a shadow. That's a real person.
And then running in the snow, no, you won't make it far.
[01:15:17] Speaker C: That's funny. When we first met, he claims that I told him that I would go to this haunted asylum that was near where we lived.
[01:15:25] Speaker B: You did.
[01:15:26] Speaker C: No, there's no way I would have said I was really trying to impress you. I don't recall saying do this.
What's that?
[01:15:39] Speaker B: You'd never take me either.
[01:15:41] Speaker E: No,
[01:15:44] Speaker C: we need friends. We need friends to go with us.
[01:15:47] Speaker D: Yeah, the sacrifices.
[01:15:52] Speaker C: I don't have to be the, the most brave. I just have to be faster than someone else.
[01:15:59] Speaker E: We've got some pretty ratty places over the years, places, you know, like the cops would go, okay, just be careful.
You know, they're like, because they, we would just call them, say we're going to show up, like doing old prison. They'll say, okay, just don't fall in a hole. You guys just be careful. Okay?
[01:16:15] Speaker C: That would be scary because some of those buildings are very much in shambles.
[01:16:21] Speaker E: I did a place one time where it was so bad, I got there at 4 in the afternoon. I told the team, I said, listen, we got to put some plywood down. There's no floor in this place.
So we had to literally drag plywood in just to make it soft, make it safe to walk around.
[01:16:38] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:16:39] Speaker E: Because it was an old abandoned building, for some reason, the realtor wanted a ghost hunting report because she couldn't sell a building because everybody walked in to look at the building, was horrified. I'm like, what do they care about the building? They're going to knock it down anyways.
But, you know, we had to, I had to put plywood down everywhere, just old scraps of wood just to make it safety and walk around.
[01:17:02] Speaker C: That's crazy.
[01:17:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:17:05] Speaker C: When you're investigating, you want it to be dark. You, you don't want to really use a lot of light and that would be dangerous.
[01:17:14] Speaker E: And it was funny, like a week later on the news, I, I, the news report was on, there's building was on fire. And I called my, my buddy, I go, hey, Bill, they burned that building down. He goes, no. I go, turn on the news, man. And sure enough, someone torched the building. So I guess they couldn't sell it. They just wanted to sell the property.
[01:17:32] Speaker C: What are your guys's thoughts on like orbs and stuff? Do you believe in like orbs or do you think it's just like camera or lens flares or.
[01:17:42] Speaker A: There's a lot of reasons to create a natural occurring reasons for orbs that are not paranormal. You know, I, I would say, you know, Tim, you, you do a great job of explaining, but I think most orbs are not paranormal.
[01:17:56] Speaker E: No, I mean, to me, I always tell people, yo, yo, when I started doing this and we came to your house, you'd have to turn the air off an hour before we got there. Or that we'd catch dust orbs all night, which sucks in Florida, trying to investigate a house in August. But I think over the years, it's like if an orb is gassy inside, just dismiss it. If it looks like it has its own electrical. Remember those old balls? You'd put your hand on it and the electricity would supposedly go to your hand.
[01:18:29] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:18:29] Speaker E: If it shows that, then that might be something, because the whole theory is that they're balls of energy, so. But anything gassy, you're like, yeah, you know, let's not worry about that.
[01:18:41] Speaker A: Plus, there's so much humidity. You know, if you have a light, like a flash from a camera and it's flashing onto humid, you know, humidity in the air, you're going to get these little sprinkles of light. And it's.
I just think it. You know, people catch them and they automatically think it's paranormal. And it's usually explainable, especially in Florida, because we have so much humidity.
[01:19:03] Speaker E: Yeah.
[01:19:03] Speaker A: You know, it's. It's very, very good chance it's that
[01:19:08] Speaker E: or, like, people will call. You know, I always tell people, I go, you go out tonight in Florida in a cemetery and catch a thousand orbs. Because it's all the humidity if you're using a white flash.
But the lights we use now are, like, infrared and ultraviolet, so that kind of takes that away.
[01:19:23] Speaker A: Right.
[01:19:24] Speaker E: And then now we get calls about security cameras. Oh, look, that rod. I go, nah, man, it's a dragonfly.
[01:19:30] Speaker A: You know, but if they correspond with some other activity. For example, I was contacted by somebody who sent me video of a security video from a. It was like a gym inside a condo and, like, you know, like a community gym inside a condo building.
And there was orbs appearing in this room, but they also corresponded with noises.
So, like, you would hear, like, banging, and then all of a sudden, these orbs would start, like, moving through the room. And so you.
I think that's interesting because there's more than one thing happening.
But, you know.
[01:20:07] Speaker E: No, that's.
[01:20:09] Speaker A: Yeah. It could be a number of sympathies.
[01:20:11] Speaker E: Everything you get, you put into a pile of evidence.
You might have an orb, but like Gina said, you might have a noise with that orb. So now that goes in that pile of evidence, and then maybe you heard a noise at the time.
So everything that we get is always just thrown into a pile.
And then we compare it to what they think, personal feelings. Are real big. You know, it might be. You see the orb, and I'm Gina, go, yeah, I felt a little cold spot, or I felt a little nauseous. Well, that's good. That's. That. It's not only an orb anymore. It's just a piece of evidence thrown into that pile.
[01:20:46] Speaker C: Right.
[01:20:47] Speaker E: That's the. That's the important reason to do a full investigation, because that pile of evidence is what you want to go on.
[01:20:53] Speaker C: Oh, for sure.
Jeremy and I went with a group of people to the Roth house in Watseca, Illinois, and it's known as the Watseca Wonder.
And we went there half the time people wanted a party, half wanted to investigate.
So no usable evidence at all in anything that we got. But I was doing an Instagram Live, and we had a geobox going, and Jeremy was videoing me and this. Do you want to describe what you caught on the camera?
[01:21:26] Speaker E: Nope.
[01:21:28] Speaker C: You're so funny.
[01:21:30] Speaker B: Let me see if I remember it.
So I'm recording her. She's talking to somebody on.
[01:21:40] Speaker C: Yeah. On Instagram Live.
[01:21:42] Speaker B: Something basically darts up to the corner of the ceiling and then shoots over towards me.
And then I think it went back around over, back by her.
And I'm kind of watching it as it's happening and thinking, God damn, that's weird. I don't see anything else floating, you know, like dust floating or.
So I thought it was kind of cool, but yeah.
[01:22:08] Speaker C: Yeah, it, like, came.
Came up behind me, and it was like a big glowing like.
[01:22:15] Speaker E: Or weird.
[01:22:16] Speaker B: I mean, it wasn't no bug, you know, no wings flapping or anything.
[01:22:21] Speaker C: And it was pretty good in size, but it came up and then kind of went down and then like, shot right towards him. And the other fun thing that we got at that house is Jeremy and I were down in the basement and we were doing a REM pod session, and I was recording it, and we went back upstairs and we put the REM pod on the grand piano in the living room. And I was sitting on the couch, and one of the other girls that was really into ghost hunting and stuff too, I was playing her the video because I was showing her the activity.
Every time I'd ask a question, the REM pod would go off.
And we had a ring camera sitting right next to us.
The ring camera picked up on our motion and was recording.
And so we have me playing the video from the basement, the ring camera picking up the. You know, the whole thing of me showing her this.
And as we're. I'm playing this video, the rem pod on the grand piano starts going off at the same time it did in the video in the basement. So I'd ask a question, and the REM pod in the video would go off, and the REM pod in the room would go off.
And I'm like, this is crazy. And then when I was watching this video, I asked, in the video, I asked, can you tell us your name?
And the ring camera captured what's. Jeremy says it sounds like furniture moving, but nothing moved in that room. But it just sounds like a bra. Like that. And it was. There was never any other interference. There was never anything else that anything picked up on other than it just had it's did it right afterwards. I'm like, that's so creepy. I can't prove anything with it, but it's creepy.
But the interaction with the REM pod at the same questions. And then the REM pod died.
[01:24:19] Speaker E: Oh, yeah, that's cool.
[01:24:21] Speaker C: So it was very cool. So we've had a few little.
Little things here and there. That was enough to kind of get me excited. But I wouldn't sleep that night. That night, I couldn't sleep. Everybody's out cold. My protector snoring next to me, and I'm staring at the ceiling going, how is everyone sleeping?
Yeah, you slept. You took a nap during the day. You were fine.
[01:24:48] Speaker E: Because we did. They have a toy train museum at the Gold coast railroad, and it's monstrous. And we put a rim pot on this side of a rim pot on that side of the room. And this damn thing always has us chasing it. This rim pot will start going off. We go over there. This one start going off. We're like, all right. So it's just another game we play all the time with him. You know, just put the rim pods and do the chase game.
[01:25:12] Speaker C: Do you guys have the chasing lights? The LED light? Yeah, I saw those for the first time when we were at Melbourne. We were. They were doing a session with the haunted doll, and another paranormal team had brought those chasing lights. And it was crazy because there was certain times where all of a sudden, they would just. Certain areas would light up. Or there was one time they just. You know, because they just kind of go back and forth. And then all of a sudden, they just lit up in a line like somebody was running right down the light. And I'm like, whoa, I want to get some of those so bad.
[01:25:43] Speaker E: And we had. Lisa was at the Cabo bar one night, Remember?
[01:25:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:25:48] Speaker E: And we later down a hallway, and it was like two or three Doors. And only the lights at one doorway lit up the whole time.
[01:25:58] Speaker C: It's amazing how they work because there was somebody who actually stepped over it, and it did. It lit up just where she stepped over and.
Because the whole time they were going on, I hadn't seen anything happen. And then she stepped over and it sensed just that little area.
And then shortly thereafter, there was a few times where they just lit up in certain spots. Then it was like. Like somebody went running. And I'm like, that is amazing technology.
[01:26:24] Speaker E: That's cool. But you guys like to sing. We'll put the trip wire on the bed in a girl's room. And Gino would go, let's sing some like Christmas. And Sasha and Gina and everybody would sing, like, Christmas songs. And the lights will start going off. Wow, that's always fun to do. And they play with the bear and everything. When they're singing, I don't sing because they would run away, you know.
[01:26:46] Speaker A: But, yeah, that was actually a guest idea. You know, it's. It's really you when you meet people and different people join you on investigations. We had this one lady who was a musician, and she's like, have you guys ever tried singing? And we said no. And, well, we started singing. And, you know, we had one time with the spirit box. Somebody sang along. We were doing Jingle Bells, and then we got a couple, like, words from Jingle Bells. And then we've had, you know, really good luck in the doll room.
So it's a lot of fun.
[01:27:18] Speaker E: Yeah, it's fun. It's fun to use all the tools. Just like we actually. I put a K meter, the guts of the K meter on a whiskey bottle just to see if they'll. And back in the old days when I did deer in the state, I put a K and a. A K meter on a bottle of a jack, and it lit up a few times. You want to drink and it lit up and things like that.
[01:27:39] Speaker A: Wow.
[01:27:39] Speaker E: So you make trigger toys out of anything? You know, someone suggested a cigar, and I go, yeah, that's a good idea. Or a package, something like that. Yeah. But I keep the whiskey bottle in a box in the back. I don't want the cops pulling me over on me. What's with the empty whiskey bottle?
It's for ghosts. Oh, okay. Put your hands behind your back.
[01:28:00] Speaker A: Sure it is.
[01:28:04] Speaker C: Yeah, they're not.
I had a migraine one night. I was helping Jeremy's aunt do some. A deep clean on the house. This was years ago, and I got really sick from the cleaning supplies that she was using.
And I got pulled over on my way home, and they accused me of drinking. I was like, I haven't had a lick to drink. I have a migraine. I don't feel good. I'd always joked around about, yeah, it'd be funny if you got pulled over if, you know, if you weren't drinking. Well, it wasn't as funny as I thought it would be.
[01:28:41] Speaker E: I don't. Years ago. I quit drinking years ago, and some guy introduced me to San Pagoreo, whatever, that green bottled water.
[01:28:50] Speaker C: It's like, oh, yes.
[01:28:52] Speaker D: Oh, Sam Pellegrino.
[01:28:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:28:54] Speaker E: And I. I was taking a swig one day, and a trooper passed me, and he stopped me. So from then on, I did it like three other cops. I drive by a cop, I go. And he stopped me. Goes, just water, bro. And he'd be mad as hell, and he'd walk away.
[01:29:10] Speaker C: Just making sure you're paying attention.
[01:29:14] Speaker E: You learn for Heineken? Nah, man, it's just water. Sorry, man.
So. But yeah, you can make a trigger toy out of anything. It's. You know, you just have to think what they did back then, right?
[01:29:27] Speaker C: Because a lot of the things that we have in this day and age and the technology is something that a lot of, you know, spirits from, like, the 1800s, early 1900s, that's something that they've never seen.
[01:29:41] Speaker E: Yeah, that's what I tell people. When you set down something, you got to explain it. If you want them to play the game, show them the toys. Like, you put down a rim pod, you say, okay, if you come near this, it'll light up, right? They've never seen a rimpod. They go, what the hell's that, right? Or. Or if you walk into, like, an old place, you go, hey, what's your favorite Xbox? And be like, what the hell's an Xbox, man? You know, it's like, you have to be.
[01:30:06] Speaker C: Even telephones. A lot of, you know, phones weren't around for people that are from the 1800s and stuff.
But. Well, thanks, guys. You guys have an amazing night, and thanks again for coming on. And Conundrum Crew keep on creeping on. We love you.
[01:30:24] Speaker D: Bye.
[01:30:26] Speaker E: Thank you.
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[01:31:31] Speaker A: Sam.
